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Military dogs euthanized as 'equipment' under cruel law
msn.com ^ | 6/30/2012 | Staff

Posted on 06/30/2012 2:23:02 AM PDT by shibumi

If roadside bombs and other hazards of war don't kill military dogs, senseless government regulations and red tape might. The United States is breeding 100 puppies a year to train for bomb sniffing and other soldierly duties, but many aren't making it back to happy homes because an obscure federal law classifies them as "equipment" rather than personnel -- and makes adopting them a financial and bureaucratic nightmare. A bill to require that the military ship the heroic dogs home and ease potential veterinarian costs for adopting families is currently bogged down in Congress, as dogs continue to be euthanized. In the meantime, at least there is an occasional happy ending.

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I caught this story tonight as I was working out at the gym. Apparently there is a bill in Congress. I will try to find the particulars and post them in this thread.
1 posted on 06/30/2012 2:23:08 AM PDT by shibumi
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To: shibumi

bttt


2 posted on 06/30/2012 2:26:03 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Joe 6-pack; Eaker; humblegunner; Salamander; Markos33; Slings and Arrows; kanawa; TheOldLady; ...

Doggie Ping


3 posted on 06/30/2012 2:26:34 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; SunkenCiv

Euthanize bureaucrats instead!


4 posted on 06/30/2012 2:30:24 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: All

I found the congressional bill.

It’s S. 2134: Canine Members of the Armed Forces Act, sponsored by Sen Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Link to the bill is here -

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2134

Disclaimer! I have not read the bill. I do not know why it has not yet been passed. It would seem to me that this should be a completely non-partisan issue, but I suppose if there’s a chance to politicize it, somebody will try.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 2:34:42 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Impy

Hear! Hear!


6 posted on 06/30/2012 2:35:19 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

7 posted on 06/30/2012 2:49:55 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: shibumi

It’s interesting that in Law Enforcement Dogs are considered an officer and if you harmed one you are so charged.

But in the military dogs are equipment? I guess “all animals are equal” does not apply to working dogs.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 3:03:07 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: PeteB570
Military dogs "used" to be considered soldiers.

I'm not sure exactly when that changed.



"Stubby" held the rank of Sergeant and had his three Buck Sergeant Stripes on his vest along with his medals.

9 posted on 06/30/2012 3:11:50 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Impy
Euthanize bureaucrats instead!
I don't know about euthanize... that sounds too painless.

How about hang them by the neck until dead?

10 posted on 06/30/2012 3:15:17 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/21/obamas-socialist-designs/)
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To: shibumi

Thanks! This needs to be stopped!


11 posted on 06/30/2012 3:18:27 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: shibumi

This murder of military dogs by the Federal Government needs to be stopped.

It is reminiscent of McArthur’s machine-gunning cavalry mounts in the early 20th century. It is also reminiscent of the way war dogs in Viet Nam were treated when Nixon pulled us out of there.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 3:27:16 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: ZULU

According to this Wiki article -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_warfare

Clinton signed an adoption law for these dogs. What the particulars are, or why it’s not being followed, I cannot say.

Posting this thread is giving me a lot of research to do!


13 posted on 06/30/2012 3:37:05 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Even a broken clock.........

Of course the CURRENT occupant of the Oval Office, as a Muslim, thinks dogs are ritually unclean and as such only serve a useful purpose when employed as tools. Beyond that, they are expendable.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 3:41:34 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: shibumi

They did this in Vietnam. A friend of mine was a member of the USAF “K-9” security corps and was assigned to a big beautiful German Shepherd for his four year enlistment. When his time was up and he mustered out, they wouldn’t let him adopt his dog, but instead “euthanized” it. He’s still mad about it after 40+ years.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 3:44:46 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ZULU
"...ritually unclean and as such only serve a useful purpose when employed as tools. Beyond that, they are expendable."

Funny. That's what I think of Mohammedans.

When I'm in a good mood.
16 posted on 06/30/2012 3:45:19 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

In World War I, all the horses that survived the combat were sold off as meat. Of course, the French were starving and they needed the food. Still, if you see the play “War Horse” it will break your heart knowing what these beasts went through...


17 posted on 06/30/2012 3:48:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Timber Rattler

The treatment of VietNam ear dogs is especially shameful in light of the fact that *NOT ONE* VC sapper team ever penetrated a perimeter secured by a sentry dog during that war.

That’s a record that will never be matched by human sentries.


18 posted on 06/30/2012 3:49:17 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Yeah. We can thank that phoney Proto-RINO Nixon for that.


19 posted on 06/30/2012 3:50:41 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Their classification as equipment vice personnel probably has more to do with appropriations and consistency with parallel Congressional and military budgeting processes.

Congress votes on the explicit numbers of personnel and equipment shown in respective tables of organization and tables of equipment.

It is much easier to budget for supporting requirements of equipment than personnel. The remaining issues regarding the treatment of the animals can be handled by agency orders.

At present we spend at least about $85k per military working dog kennel space in new construction. If classified as personnel, numerous other facilities could be justified for the animals while likely reducing the total number of humans in the armed forces.


20 posted on 06/30/2012 4:04:06 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: shibumi

Guess they past that point on the “Complete Lives” curve. The “post-productive” citizens of the canine world.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 4:27:40 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Passed.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 4:29:35 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Impy; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Impy.
23 posted on 06/30/2012 5:07:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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WOOOF!

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24 posted on 06/30/2012 5:08:01 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: shibumi

I would support such a bill.

ping for later


25 posted on 06/30/2012 5:13:43 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: shibumi

Wow, PETA has invaded FreeRepublic.


26 posted on 06/30/2012 5:18:38 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

Oh, shut it. Good stewardship mean anything to you?


27 posted on 06/30/2012 5:53:34 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: shibumi
A couple of beautiful war dogs were just adopted where I live. Both of them found caring homes with military families. Here's an article about it:

Military couples adopt bomb-sniffing dogs that served in Iraq

28 posted on 06/30/2012 6:00:59 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Fire_on_High

On this subject, it means everything to me.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:12 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: fortheDeclaration

I had heard of this shortly after enlisting. I didn’t know the impact until after talking to some dog handlers that served in VN. They were wearing T shirts honoring their dogs and broke down telling their experiences. I did too.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 6:10:42 AM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA! OMG PLEASE vote ABO or OWW and our Country dies.)
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To: shibumi

I think the military/government is afraid these dogs will be mishandled or hurt someone if returned to the states.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 6:12:00 AM PDT by lwd
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To: LearsFool

The military has an adoption policy, however the classification as equipment means they can be left behind, as almost 100% of them were left in Vietnam. If they had a different classification, this would be impossible.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 6:14:22 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: nobamanomore

As a side note, most of the military dogs in WWII weren’t left, since most were actually borrowed. Dog owners volunteered their dogs for military service, and got them back after the war, if they survived.

The US War Dogs website says that 4900 dogs were sent to Vietnam, only 204 returned home in 10 years. That is the point of the bill, they can just walk off and leave them, and have done just that.


33 posted on 06/30/2012 6:20:57 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: nobamanomore

I believe there is a program at Lackland that allows families to adopt either dogs that cannot make the cut or those dogs that return to the states.

I met a family a couple of weeks back who adopted a dog from Lackland.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 6:30:44 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: LearsFool
Wow, PETA has invaded FreeRepublic.

This is the problem we encounter. We have been pigeon holed by the MSM that all environmental, poverty, and women issues must belong to the Dhim; any animal issue pertains to PETA, labor to the unions, and so on.

35 posted on 06/30/2012 6:57:25 AM PDT by paudio (OTP: Why do people want to rehire a mechanic who clearly only made their car worse than before?)
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To: shibumi

I didn’t know Obamacare covers dogs too.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 6:59:07 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz

Just a foreshadow of what they have in store for us.


37 posted on 06/30/2012 7:37:57 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: LearsFool

No, if PETA had invaded Free Republic there would be a call for killing the dogs. Oh, wait....never mind.


38 posted on 06/30/2012 7:41:14 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: paudio

EXACTLY!! Shame on every conservative who has allowed the left to “own” compassion for living beings not human. This is what happens. Conservatives pop up out of the woodwork and complain that they’re not human, therefore not deserving of compassionate care.... Unbelievable. No wonder the left has succeeded in labeling conservatives as uncaring. It’s not true, of course, but some conservatives act that way. Shameful.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 7:45:55 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: nobamanomore

My father’s German Shepherd was “volunteered” into service during WW2 and survived. He was given back to my father but unfortunately the dog did not adjust well to civilian life.


40 posted on 06/30/2012 7:56:56 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: shibumi

This is so shamefull. These 4 legged heroes deserve a good home with people to love them and pamper them.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 8:07:19 AM PDT by tob2 (November can't come soon enough for me.)
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To: shibumi

I read over fifty years ago that military guard dogs were being euthanized after their trainer left the service.

According to that story, one dog responded to one man and no other so the dog was killed as it could not be given to a new guard.

But then that was fifty years ago.


42 posted on 06/30/2012 8:18:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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Man was created in the image of God, and given dominion and stewardship over the earth and the creatures therein. It’s true that not everyone is a good steward. And perhaps the military has a pitiful record in this area. But neither irresponsible treatment of animals nor appreciation for them justifies elevating them to the status of human beings.

Killing animals is not “murder”. Dogs are not “veterans” any more than cannons are. They’re not “police officers” any more than squad-cars are. They’re not “personnel”. They’re not “soldiers”. They’re animals placed in our care and stewardship, to serve our needs.

God placed man and the animals in their proper place, and called it “good”. All this PETA-speak demeans both us and them.


43 posted on 06/30/2012 8:20:45 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: shibumi

Thank you for posting this, Shibumi!! *Some* of these 4 legged heroes have been adopted by their handlers, but if that isn’t going to happen, they should be available to rescue, at least. (If they’re considered “unadoptable” because of their expertise- & I don’t say that in jest, many recuses do have “retirees” who will spend the rest of their lives being cared for & loved by fosters. Which are *always* needed :-) hint hint )

One of the democrat Congressmen (I want to say Schumer?) helped save one of these dogs fairly recently. And Thad McCotter would be a good person to contact, if he isn’t already involved.

Please express your support for this bill! (Preaching to the choir, I know)


44 posted on 06/30/2012 11:45:25 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: Cvengr

I am not concerned about how they are classified, only that they not be killed when their service is done.


45 posted on 06/30/2012 12:05:38 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: samtheman

We are definitely singing off the same page in the choir book.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 12:12:23 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: paudio

“This is the problem we encounter. We have been pigeon holed by the MSM that all environmental, poverty, and women issues must belong to the Dhim; any animal issue pertains to PETA, labor to the unions, and so on. “

Indeed; those issues properly belong to conservatives; they are not “liberal” issues.


47 posted on 06/30/2012 12:13:38 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: LearsFool

You might want to check out Scripture a bit more thoroughly before running with the idea that animals are there for us to treat any way we choose. Scripture says nothing of the kind. Stewardship means just that. There are numerous Scriptures which show that God has made a covenant with them as well — as in Genesis 9. There are other Scriptures showing that animals are important to God (too numerous to mention but you can google them).

I never will understand why some feel that their “special” relationship to God is somehow threatened by showing compassion to God’s other creatures. Such a mindset demeans mankind and does nothing to demonstrate compassion. No one here said anything about animals being human, but would I call an animal who had served faithfully and loyally a K9 officer or veteran? You bet! (And most who serve with them would as well, by the way!) Do they deserve something better than death at the end of their service? ABSOLUTELY!! But then that’s humanity for you — I’ll use you and then toss you aside like so much garbage because you’re not human. THAT is despicable and does NOT honor the God so many claim to serve.

If such a view offends you remember that you are always free to skip these threads on compassion for animals.


48 posted on 06/30/2012 12:19:13 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: tob2

ABSOLUTELY!! And the wicked mindset that somehow the fact that they aren’t human excludes them from such consideration is all too prevalent on our side, sadly — as is evident from this thread (and virtually every other thread on animals.)


49 posted on 06/30/2012 12:20:55 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: fortheDeclaration

WELL SAID!! Dogs can be trained, which should be obvious from the rehabilitation of the Michael Vick fighting dogs. Only one was unable to be rehomed. Only one. Yes, it takes work and yes, it may be difficult at times, but the mindset that says “Oh, just kill them because it’s easier than working with them” is abhorrent.


50 posted on 06/30/2012 12:24:43 PM PDT by JLLH
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