Posted on 06/30/2012 4:23:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
Fresh off of my jaunt down memory lane with The Beach Boys, I decided to revisit another iconic group: Crosby, Stills and Nash. Sadly, the results were much darker than with the Good Vibrations crew.
Back in 1969, CSN played at Woodstock and immediately became a counterculture sensation. Their anti-establishment anthem "Ohio" defined the Vietnam era for many Americans. While The Beach Boys were surfin' the days away, CSN was agitating for societal change using soaring harmonies and relevant lyrics.
Along the way, the guys became millionaires, and David Crosby perpetrated a series of bizarre drug-fueled incidents. He only survived his excess by receiving a liver transplant.
But there he was on stage still sounding pretty good. Graham Nash can also hit most of his notes. Stephen Stills, however, has trouble replicating the voice we know from the old tunes. He also looks like an Amish guy. I thought he was going to sell furniture to the crowd._
At first, the folks loved the liberal old timers. They opened with "Carry On" and played a few more of their classic hits. But then, as so often happens in concert land, the group began playing stuff nobody ever heard of -- and the crowd grew restless.
The low point of the concert arrived when CSN sang a protest song about alleged traitor Army Pvt. Bradley Manning. He is charged with leaking classified information to the anti-American website WikiLeaks. If the charges are true, Manning put many of his fellow soldiers fighting in Afghanistan in even more danger. He is currently being held at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and, if convicted, could be sentenced to life in prison.
Nevertheless, Crosby, Stills and Nash believe Manning is a political prisoner who has been brutalized by the U.S. military. So they sang a song lamenting that. The folks who paid good money to savor old memories mostly listened in silence. My bet is that many in the crowd had no idea what was going on. It was certainly a far cry from "tin soldiers and Nixon coming."_
There is something to be said for remaining consistent in your values, so I am not down on CSN for their leftist sensibilities. I simply believe that their sympathies are misguided and that protest songs about an obscure man who may have committed treason are useless. Despite their righteous indignation, the truth is that Crosby, Stills and Nash have no idea what Manning did or did not do.
Also, there is irony in the fact that the trio is comprised of 1 percenters who live very well. Crosby bunks in tony Santa Barbara, Stills in Bel-Air right near Nancy Reagan, and Nash on the lush island of Kauai. Nothing wrong with that; those guys earned their affluence. But a system that allows them to profit from protest might be one to applaud. Hey, guys, how about a song on that theme?
In the end, I was disappointed by the CSN concert. At one time, their voices soared both musically and socially. Now, they are just shadows of a time long gone.
None more perfectly stated sir, from the home of Lynard Skynard. That song is virtually the City Anthem of Jacksonville. It is played once at every Jaguars home game and the fan reaction in the stadium is only rivaled by a Jaguars score.
Crosby, Stills, Nash nothing but a bunch of worthless hippies. Who gives a crap about these losers. Nothing but garbage left over from Livestock ‘er - Woodstock. (actually perfer the name Livestock)
CSN sang a protest song about... Bradley Manning... charged with leaking classified information to the anti-American website WikiLeaks... Crosby, Stills and Nash believe Manning is a political prisoner who has been brutalized by the U.S. military.They've been able to pass their lives away without having to work, and so buzzed they haven't had to (or been able to) think for themselves about anything in any coherent way.
I have no use for CSN but you can’t be serious about Bradley Manning. He is of course a tool of the elites. No one of his lowly rank could possibly had the access to sensitive information he released. He is being used and is actually a political prisoner, the one that got left holding the bag as it were, the public face of this farce.
The media will build these radicals up manipulating the average Joe to think they are so special. Some of these people have mental problems.
The media will build these radicals up manipulating the average Joe to think they are so special. Some of these people have mental problems.
“Crosby, Stills, Nash are nothing but a bunch of worthless hippies.”
And I thought I was the only 21 year old in 1970 who felt that way about them then, and now.
Always fun to watch aging lefties in burnout; their revolution never came. Then as now I wish they’d move to Cuba. Nothing’s changed there and they would love it.
“I simply believe that their sympathies are misguided and that protest songs....are useless.”
That is true today just as it was in 1971.
My thoughts, for what they are worth.
CSN, together they could sing and hormonize wonderfully. Loved they way they sounded. Separate, they sounded terrible, couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket.
Bradley Manning is going to spend a long time in prison.
A few years ago my wife and I were “compd” tickets to go see CSNY at the MGM in Vegas. We decided we’d take a shot and go for the harmonies and musicality. Screw the words/message. After making our way past the AIM tables selling t-shirts for $50 and the CSNY t-shirt tables $25-$50 per we made our way to our seats which where pretty good seats actually. We only were able to make it to about the 4th song and looked at each other and got up and walked. That was about how long it took for these fools to start their political crap about the downtrodden while pulling in millions for themselves. We “couldn’t stands no more” (Popeye) so “down the road we go”(G Thurogood{SP}).
No fool like and old fool. And O’Riley. I think you and Shep would do better at CNN. :>)
Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.
“Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth”
His MOS was intelligence analyst, so he had access by virtual of his job. Rank has zero to do with it.
“Almost cut my hair. It happened just the other day...”
Yeah, so?
Protest songs are so cliche’ any more that they’re just so much complaining and people are just plain sick of hearing it.
Liked their music, hated their message.
Protest songs are the voice in liberal’s heads.
I beg to differ. Crosby did a fine album solo, Stills did very well with his solo.
I defend CSNY music...I do not defend their subject matter. To me, being a musician, the music, on the whole, is more important to me than the stupid lyrics.
JMHO
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See reply 18.
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Once I learned music theory it was all ruined for me. Too bad, really.
Nowadays, I listen more as a critic. It’s almost all good that way. No ‘message’, no problem.
Currently have several CSNY & Neil Young CDs loaded in my Razr MAXX. To me, they’re just oldie goldies...not political messages. If they were trying to enlist me in their cause...they failed. But, I’m a sucker for good music.
That being said...I’ll never eat another Oreo.
I play 12 string/slide/6 string music with many people, mostly on Saturday night. We don't concentrate much on the lyrics...just the music.
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Turn it up
That's what I'm talking about. The message I get is from the music. When you separate the lyrics, which is sometimes hard to do, you get the essence of the true feeling of the "song".
I'm 61 and have played guitar since I was 9.
Someone can put what ever lyrics they want to their music, but the music is what I hear FIRST.
FMCDH(BITS)
Yeah, well, I studied "music theory" too. I decided years ago to just play and let the chips fall where they may.
Life is too short to worry about critics...just play and enjoy.
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As Sarah Palin would say...you betcha!
I agree with you about the music first.
I do enjoy, however when I can have both.
Jethro Tull,(Ian Anderson) for example is dripping with irony.
Personally I think one of the best albums ever made was “Blind Melon”
The same thing happened to me at a Santana concert back in 2002 or so. I always thought his guitar playing was beautiful, from the soul. Saw him about 15 - 20 times dating back to the Moonflower album. In 2002 he was into his World Music thing and in between each song he felt the need to preach to the audience about this global cause, that global example of oppression, etc.
Don’t really listen to him anymore...
“Almost cut my hair. It happened just the other day...”
Yeah, so?
“It was gettin’ kinda long...”
I certainly agree. As far as Tull, one of the most important bands of the times. One of the bands that put together amazing lyrics AND some of the most intricate music ever. Truly one of the greats.
Now don't get me going on Frank Zappa.....
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It’s the same-ness and predictability of pop music that bores me - the 1-4-5 chord sequence (if that), with the occasional high notes and repeated riffs are just irritating. Where is a Cole Porter today?
nope ain’t buyin
Only thing I ever liked about Santana’s music was watching chicks dance to “Oye Como Va”.
“Now don’t get me going on Frank Zappa...”
“...like a pink donation to the dragon of your dreams.”
then you really don’t understand how this stuff works
Or maybe you don’t.
35 years of experience says I do!
“His MOS was intelligence analyst, so he had access by virtual of his job. Rank has zero to do with it.”
I assume you mean “by virtue” of his job
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