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Townhall.com ^ | June 30, 2012 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 06/30/2012 4:23:41 AM PDT by Kaslin

Fresh off of my jaunt down memory lane with The Beach Boys, I decided to revisit another iconic group: Crosby, Stills and Nash. Sadly, the results were much darker than with the Good Vibrations crew.

Back in 1969, CSN played at Woodstock and immediately became a counterculture sensation. Their anti-establishment anthem "Ohio" defined the Vietnam era for many Americans. While The Beach Boys were surfin' the days away, CSN was agitating for societal change using soaring harmonies and relevant lyrics.

Along the way, the guys became millionaires, and David Crosby perpetrated a series of bizarre drug-fueled incidents. He only survived his excess by receiving a liver transplant.

But there he was on stage still sounding pretty good. Graham Nash can also hit most of his notes. Stephen Stills, however, has trouble replicating the voice we know from the old tunes. He also looks like an Amish guy. I thought he was going to sell furniture to the crowd._

At first, the folks loved the liberal old timers. They opened with "Carry On" and played a few more of their classic hits. But then, as so often happens in concert land, the group began playing stuff nobody ever heard of -- and the crowd grew restless.

The low point of the concert arrived when CSN sang a protest song about alleged traitor Army Pvt. Bradley Manning. He is charged with leaking classified information to the anti-American website WikiLeaks. If the charges are true, Manning put many of his fellow soldiers fighting in Afghanistan in even more danger. He is currently being held at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and, if convicted, could be sentenced to life in prison.

Nevertheless, Crosby, Stills and Nash believe Manning is a political prisoner who has been brutalized by the U.S. military. So they sang a song lamenting that. The folks who paid good money to savor old memories mostly listened in silence. My bet is that many in the crowd had no idea what was going on. It was certainly a far cry from "tin soldiers and Nixon coming."_

There is something to be said for remaining consistent in your values, so I am not down on CSN for their leftist sensibilities. I simply believe that their sympathies are misguided and that protest songs about an obscure man who may have committed treason are useless. Despite their righteous indignation, the truth is that Crosby, Stills and Nash have no idea what Manning did or did not do.

Also, there is irony in the fact that the trio is comprised of 1 percenters who live very well. Crosby bunks in tony Santa Barbara, Stills in Bel-Air right near Nancy Reagan, and Nash on the lush island of Kauai. Nothing wrong with that; those guys earned their affluence. But a system that allows them to profit from protest might be one to applaud. Hey, guys, how about a song on that theme?

In the end, I was disappointed by the CSN concert. At one time, their voices soared both musically and socially. Now, they are just shadows of a time long gone.


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1 posted on 06/30/2012 4:23:46 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"I hope Neil Young will remember....
... a Southern Man don't need him around, anyhow..."
2 posted on 06/30/2012 4:30:01 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

None more perfectly stated sir, from the home of Lynard Skynard. That song is virtually the City Anthem of Jacksonville. It is played once at every Jaguars home game and the fan reaction in the stadium is only rivaled by a Jaguars score.


3 posted on 06/30/2012 4:39:06 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Kaslin

Crosby, Stills, Nash nothing but a bunch of worthless hippies. Who gives a crap about these losers. Nothing but garbage left over from Livestock ‘er - Woodstock. (actually perfer the name Livestock)


4 posted on 06/30/2012 4:47:42 AM PDT by Spike the punch
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.
CSN sang a protest song about... Bradley Manning... charged with leaking classified information to the anti-American website WikiLeaks... Crosby, Stills and Nash believe Manning is a political prisoner who has been brutalized by the U.S. military.
They've been able to pass their lives away without having to work, and so buzzed they haven't had to (or been able to) think for themselves about anything in any coherent way.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 4:59:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Kaslin

I have no use for CSN but you can’t be serious about Bradley Manning. He is of course a tool of the elites. No one of his lowly rank could possibly had the access to sensitive information he released. He is being used and is actually a political prisoner, the one that got left holding the bag as it were, the public face of this farce.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 5:16:17 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SunkenCiv

The media will build these radicals up manipulating the average Joe to think they are so special. Some of these people have mental problems.


7 posted on 06/30/2012 5:16:53 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: SunkenCiv

The media will build these radicals up manipulating the average Joe to think they are so special. Some of these people have mental problems.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 5:17:56 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Spike the punch

“Crosby, Stills, Nash are nothing but a bunch of worthless hippies.”

And I thought I was the only 21 year old in 1970 who felt that way about them then, and now.

Always fun to watch aging lefties in burnout; their revolution never came. Then as now I wish they’d move to Cuba. Nothing’s changed there and they would love it.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 5:22:12 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: Kaslin

“I simply believe that their sympathies are misguided and that protest songs....are useless.”

That is true today just as it was in 1971.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 5:28:55 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Kaslin

My thoughts, for what they are worth.
CSN, together they could sing and hormonize wonderfully. Loved they way they sounded. Separate, they sounded terrible, couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket.
Bradley Manning is going to spend a long time in prison.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 5:33:46 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: PeaRidge

A few years ago my wife and I were “compd” tickets to go see CSNY at the MGM in Vegas. We decided we’d take a shot and go for the harmonies and musicality. Screw the words/message. After making our way past the AIM tables selling t-shirts for $50 and the CSNY t-shirt tables $25-$50 per we made our way to our seats which where pretty good seats actually. We only were able to make it to about the 4th song and looked at each other and got up and walked. That was about how long it took for these fools to start their political crap about the downtrodden while pulling in millions for themselves. We “couldn’t stands no more” (Popeye) so “down the road we go”(G Thurogood{SP}).
No fool like and old fool. And O’Riley. I think you and Shep would do better at CNN. :>)

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 5:48:52 AM PDT by rktman
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To: FreedBird

“Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth”


13 posted on 06/30/2012 6:27:57 AM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: yldstrk

His MOS was intelligence analyst, so he had access by virtual of his job. Rank has zero to do with it.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 6:57:04 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Kaslin

“Almost cut my hair. It happened just the other day...”

Yeah, so?

Protest songs are so cliche’ any more that they’re just so much complaining and people are just plain sick of hearing it.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: Kaslin

Liked their music, hated their message.


16 posted on 06/30/2012 7:04:49 AM PDT by moovova (Arrogance is believing that God needs an assistant (us).)
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To: Kaslin

Protest songs are the voice in liberal’s heads.


17 posted on 06/30/2012 7:06:29 AM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: ops33
CSN, together they could sing and hormonize wonderfully. Loved they way they sounded. Separate, they sounded terrible, couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket.

I beg to differ. Crosby did a fine album solo, Stills did very well with his solo.

I defend CSNY music...I do not defend their subject matter. To me, being a musician, the music, on the whole, is more important to me than the stupid lyrics.

JMHO

FMCDH(BITS)

18 posted on 06/30/2012 7:07:52 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: moovova
Liked their music, hated their message.

See reply 18.

FMCDH(BITS)

19 posted on 06/30/2012 7:09:21 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: equaviator
Like I've already said, I'm a musician/guitar player myself. I mostly listen to the MUSIC and not so much to the lyrics...some songs do have great lyrics but mostly not.

FMCDH(BITS)

20 posted on 06/30/2012 7:12:55 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nothingnew

Once I learned music theory it was all ruined for me. Too bad, really.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 7:25:21 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: nothingnew

Nowadays, I listen more as a critic. It’s almost all good that way. No ‘message’, no problem.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 8:00:00 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: nothingnew

Currently have several CSNY & Neil Young CDs loaded in my Razr MAXX. To me, they’re just oldie goldies...not political messages. If they were trying to enlist me in their cause...they failed. But, I’m a sucker for good music.

That being said...I’ll never eat another Oreo.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 8:13:31 AM PDT by moovova (Arrogance is believing that God needs an assistant (us).)
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To: moovova
I agree with everything you said.

I play 12 string/slide/6 string music with many people, mostly on Saturday night. We don't concentrate much on the lyrics...just the music.

FMCDH(BITS)

24 posted on 06/30/2012 8:58:36 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: moovova
What's wrong with Oreos? The rainbow faggot endorsement?

FMCDH(BIT)

25 posted on 06/30/2012 9:09:31 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: itsLUCKY2B

Turn it up


26 posted on 06/30/2012 9:15:04 AM PDT by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: equaviator
Nowadays, I listen more as a critic. It’s almost all good that way. No ‘message’, no problem.

That's what I'm talking about. The message I get is from the music. When you separate the lyrics, which is sometimes hard to do, you get the essence of the true feeling of the "song".

I'm 61 and have played guitar since I was 9.

Someone can put what ever lyrics they want to their music, but the music is what I hear FIRST.

FMCDH(BITS)

27 posted on 06/30/2012 9:20:31 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: esquirette
Once I learned music theory it was all ruined for me. Too bad, really.

Yeah, well, I studied "music theory" too. I decided years ago to just play and let the chips fall where they may.

Life is too short to worry about critics...just play and enjoy.

FMCDH(BITS)

28 posted on 06/30/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nothingnew

As Sarah Palin would say...you betcha!


29 posted on 06/30/2012 9:30:44 AM PDT by moovova (Arrogance is believing that God needs an assistant (us).)
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To: nothingnew

I agree with you about the music first.

I do enjoy, however when I can have both.

Jethro Tull,(Ian Anderson) for example is dripping with irony.

Personally I think one of the best albums ever made was “Blind Melon”


30 posted on 06/30/2012 9:31:27 AM PDT by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: rktman

The same thing happened to me at a Santana concert back in 2002 or so. I always thought his guitar playing was beautiful, from the soul. Saw him about 15 - 20 times dating back to the Moonflower album. In 2002 he was into his World Music thing and in between each song he felt the need to preach to the audience about this global cause, that global example of oppression, etc.

Don’t really listen to him anymore...


31 posted on 06/30/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: equaviator

“Almost cut my hair. It happened just the other day...”

Yeah, so?

“It was gettin’ kinda long...”


32 posted on 06/30/2012 9:39:23 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Zeneta
I do enjoy, however when I can have both. Jethro Tull,(Ian Anderson) for example is dripping with irony.

I certainly agree. As far as Tull, one of the most important bands of the times. One of the bands that put together amazing lyrics AND some of the most intricate music ever. Truly one of the greats.

Now don't get me going on Frank Zappa.....

FMCDH(BITS)

33 posted on 06/30/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: nothingnew

It’s the same-ness and predictability of pop music that bores me - the 1-4-5 chord sequence (if that), with the occasional high notes and repeated riffs are just irritating. Where is a Cole Porter today?


34 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Reily

nope ain’t buyin


35 posted on 06/30/2012 5:46:06 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MarDav

Only thing I ever liked about Santana’s music was watching chicks dance to “Oye Como Va”.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 6:29:33 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: nothingnew

“Now don’t get me going on Frank Zappa...”

“...like a pink donation to the dragon of your dreams.”


37 posted on 06/30/2012 6:54:24 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: yldstrk

then you really don’t understand how this stuff works


38 posted on 06/30/2012 7:33:09 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Or maybe you don’t.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 8:24:45 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

35 years of experience says I do!


40 posted on 07/01/2012 8:44:10 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

“His MOS was intelligence analyst, so he had access by virtual of his job. Rank has zero to do with it.”

I assume you mean “by virtue” of his job


41 posted on 07/01/2012 6:06:32 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
yep..I meant virtue!...
I worked with admin clerks (secretaries) by virtue of the fact that they were unit/division/branch, etc secretary they had wider across the board access then I did. The nature of the job grants the access not the rank! I really don't think things have changed. I imagine his management was stuck with the little narcissistic twerp who was gaily Being-All-He-Could-Be-In-The-Army. I read that he was a management handful, his superiors likely just tried to keep their heads down, they knew that if they tried to really get him under “discipline” they would have a “Gay Rights Sh&t Storm” on their hands, not a good thing to have on your record come promotion time in today's all Action Army (or any service!). The concern for being properly “PC” makes the leadership/management jobs orders of magnitudes harder if not impossible. I know a lot of “key board commandos” here on FR will beat their chest and say they would stick to their principles come what may. Ok good but I bet if they were in such a position reality would be much different. Managers in the military & the fed are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Remember our “elected representatives” have decreed this particular abnormal is normal. John Q Public has betrayed these leaders and managers by keeping these”elected representatives” clowns in office. The brass is just trying to implement the impossible.(yes there is some betrayal by the brass here but not as much as you think!).

As in many of our nation's list of current ills, if you want to know the real culprit hold up a mirror. As Pogo said ‘We have met the enemy and he is us!’
42 posted on 07/01/2012 7:40:58 PM PDT by Reily
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