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Higgs boson buzz hits new heights
msnbc.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | Alan Boyle

Posted on 06/30/2012 5:40:09 AM PDT by John W

Has the Higgs boson finally been detected? It's almost gotten to the point that if a discovery of some sort doesn't come out of next week's update on the multibillion-dollar subatomic search, it'll be a big surprise. But how far will the announcement go, and what will it mean for the future of physics?

To refresh your memory, the Higgs boson is the only fundamental subatomic particle predicted by theory but not yet detected. It's thought to play a role in endowing some particles, such as the W and Z boson, with mass ... while leaving other particles, such as the photon, massless. The Higgs mechanism, proposed by British physicist Peter Higgs and others in the 1960s, could have played a role in electroweak symmetry breaking, which was a key event in the rise of the universe as we know it.

(Excerpt) Read more at cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggshoson; cern; higgsboson; peterhiggs; stringtheory

1 posted on 06/30/2012 5:40:11 AM PDT by John W
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To: John W

I learned about it on The Big Bang Theory. Sheldon was playing Pictionary and could not understand why Penny didn’t guess it from his drawings. When she looked to Leanard for some sanity he said, “It’s all there.”


2 posted on 06/30/2012 5:43:39 AM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: Mercat
We read this book in my AP Physics class in high school. Very interesting stuff, surprisingly easy to read.
3 posted on 06/30/2012 5:47:29 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: John W

Does this in any way validate Will’s Hyrdino theory?


4 posted on 06/30/2012 5:51:39 AM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: Future Snake Eater

I personally think the key to faster than light travel, instantaneous communication, the true understanding of gravity are all in quantum physics.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 5:53:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: John W

it is all explained here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

“The Large Hadron Rap”


6 posted on 06/30/2012 5:57:34 AM PDT by lack-of-trust
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To: KevinDavis; annie laurie; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Mmogamer; ...

Thanks John W. The Higgs won't be found per se -- but to save the Standard Model whatever winds up getting discovered instead will be called by the name. The SM altered in order to make this predicted piece -- which isn't actually the predicted piece -- fit better. Same thing happened to the the solar neutrinos when, after decades of nothing, something else was found with different characteristics, and an egregiously ad hoc explanation was cooked up.


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7 posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Mercat

The Big Bang Theory is all wrong. Sheldon obviously meant *Higgs Bosom*.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 6:07:18 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: cripplecreek

Quantum teleportation has already been accomplished (instantaneous communication) in lab settings across a 100+ mile distance.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 6:36:05 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Hardraade

Sheldon doesn’t care about bosoms.

The character or the actor.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 6:39:16 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: John W

Boson bump.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 6:46:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: John W

“What is the Higgs Boson?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIg1Vh7uPyw&feature=related


12 posted on 06/30/2012 7:11:53 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Future Snake Eater
Quantum teleportation has already been accomplished (instantaneous communication) in lab settings across a 100+ mile distance.

The implications for use in space communications are enormous. After all, even the moon is some 1.3 light seconds away which isn't a huge distance but beyond that, instant communication would be a big leap. Gotta figure, the mars rovers move a few feet at a time for a reason. Instant communications would radically change the way even our robotic missions are conducted. Such instant communications may have saved many of the lost mars missions.

The New Horizons craft is a touch over 3 hours and 7 light minutes out (one way)
13 posted on 06/30/2012 8:00:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: John W

Some source other than msnbc, please.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 8:10:48 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Here is a link to the 33 articles that come up when you enter Higgs Boson into Google News search box.

http://news.google.com/news/story?q=Higgs+boson&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=I00&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsu&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1025&bih=458&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dHG42xa76iOIMsMp2fuf81Ufu76oM&sa=X&ei=IR7vT7ffGYX8qwH4t_H2AQ&ved=0CCwQqgIwAA


15 posted on 06/30/2012 8:43:07 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: cripplecreek

“The implications for use in space communications are enormous.”

Quantum physics dictates that tricks like quantum teleportation, entanglement, etc can’t transmit information faster than the speed of light.


16 posted on 06/30/2012 8:43:34 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Future Snake Eater

I think you might be mistaken about that, since standard quantum teleportation experiments are not instantaneous at all.


17 posted on 06/30/2012 8:47:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: lack-of-trust

That was the nerdiest thing I have ever seen.


18 posted on 06/30/2012 8:48:24 AM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: John W

19 posted on 06/30/2012 8:48:46 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Boogieman; cripplecreek
This was the experiment I was thinking of. Looks like it was 97km (about 60 miles), 1100 photons, and a four-hour period.

Maybe it's in the article and I'm not seeing it, but it doesn't seem to mention the instant data transmission as a result of the experiment, though it is listed as a benefit of quantum entanglement.

20 posted on 06/30/2012 8:57:23 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Quantum entanglement can instantaneously transmit quantum information, namely the quantum states of the entangled particles, but it can’t instantaneously transmit classical information. So, in these experiments, there has to be an conventional channel for transmitting additional bits of classical information at subluminal speeds, in order to complete the teleportation process. This is probably just another example of “science writers” not really understanding science.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 9:25:15 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

But can’t those quantum states themselves BE that information?


22 posted on 06/30/2012 10:00:44 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

No, because the quantum information that is transmitted is has a built in degree of uncertainty. Performing an action on the entangled particle on one end will result in a somewhat random resulting change in the particle on the other end. Without the additional transmittal of classical information, you can’t know exactly what operation was performed on the other end.

So, essentially, quantum teleportation does not increase the speed of information transmittal at all. What it really does is allow you to tranmit a much larger amount of information at the same normal subluminal speed that you use to transmit the classical information. The quantum portion of the information is transmitted instantaneously, but until you get the classical information transmitted conventionally, it’s useless to you. Once you get the classical information, as small as 2 bits of information, then the entire transmittal, of classical + quantum information can be completed.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 10:37:10 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Very interesting, thanks for the clarification.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 10:45:24 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

No problem, sorry to rain on the faster than light parade. I wish it were true too, but the quantum stuff just doesn’t seem to be the answer.

So far, the best evidence for supraluminal velocities I have seen seems to be in plasma jets associated with quasars. Some of these jets appear to move up to nearly ten times the speed of light! The problem is, that’s only the apparent motion, and there could be many different reasons why the real motion is not that fast. For example, quasars could be much closer than we think they are, leading us to overestimate the distance travelled by the matter in the jets, and overestimate the velocity.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 11:32:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: John W

I’m in your debt. Thank you.

This is all very interesting.


26 posted on 06/30/2012 6:17:39 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mercat

Sheldon’s hilarious. Love that show!


27 posted on 07/02/2012 7:42:44 PM PDT by chessplayer
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