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Pastor whose congregation dwindled after gay-marriage vote to close St. Paul church
pioneer press ^ | 6-30-12 | Frederick Melo

Posted on 06/30/2012 7:24:01 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

Grace Community United Church of Christ will close its doors this weekend, but the pastor who says his decision to publicly support gay-marriage rights unwittingly thrust it on a path toward financial ruin plans to find a new home for his small congregation.

He has faith that his flock will follow.

The Rev. Oliver White, 69, had hoped fundraising would keep the predominantly African-American church on St. Paul's East Side open after a Seattle investor demanded full payment on a high-interest loan.

But after a well-publicized Internet campaign raised only about $56,000 of the $200,000 the church needs to pay off its debt, White has decided to call it quits.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: baptist; blackchurch; church; closed; gay; gaymarriage; holderspeople; homosexualagenda; marriage; religiousleft; schism; ucc
love how he compares the civil rights movement to being the same as gay marriage. no wonder most his congregation left.check the comments section-it's a hoot.
1 posted on 06/30/2012 7:24:06 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni
pandering to the filthy 1% is bad for the bottom line...
2 posted on 06/30/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Well we were correct.


3 posted on 06/30/2012 7:29:37 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee

ping


4 posted on 06/30/2012 7:31:49 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The ‘logic’ of the liberal ‘christian’...

“I lost most of my flock and my church over my decision to promote that which the Bible tells me not to, therefore God approves of my actions and wants me to keep doing it.”

Such ‘logic’ is why I and many others have forgone organized religion and made our faith a bit more ‘personal’.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 7:32:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TurboZamboni
Grace Community United Church of Christ will close its doors this weekend, but the pastor who says his decision to publicly support gay-marriage rights unwittingly thrust it on a path toward financial ruin plans to find a new home for his small congregation.

Most of his former congregation understand what is heresy; whereas the foolish pastor does not.

6 posted on 06/30/2012 7:34:32 AM PDT by olezip
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To: TurboZamboni

I hope the IRS does to him on Earth as the Devil will do to him in hell.


7 posted on 06/30/2012 7:40:21 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: TurboZamboni

Mocking God is NOT a good idea.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 7:40:35 AM PDT by upchuck (FACEBOOK... Share pointless stuff with friends you don't know. Beg for intrusion into your life.)
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To: Morgana
yup...
9 posted on 06/30/2012 7:48:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Bump to your logic.

This guy is black, runs a black church, favors faggots getting married and cannot understand why his congregation is shrinking? Hello? Rev. White, get a clue!

Hopefully he will tire of beating his head against the wall.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 7:49:35 AM PDT by upchuck (FACEBOOK... Share pointless stuff with friends you don't know. Beg for intrusion into your life.)
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To: TurboZamboni
predominantly African-American church

I wonder how many of those will still vote for 0 bummer in Nov? I know, 110 % will support the won.

11 posted on 06/30/2012 7:51:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: TurboZamboni
all churches, all organizations (other than government)need to understand that unhappy members respond with their feet and their wallet.

Liberal churches throughout the land are losing people and dollars in large amounts. Their national leadership is leading them into oblivion - and Jesus weeps.

12 posted on 06/30/2012 8:00:43 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Actually I think it’s sad. I’ve never seen such a lack of comprehension of Scripture as some of those people have. They tout the old “Judge not” maxim (which is nowhere in the Bible, by the way) — and have no clue the actual verse commands us not to be hypocrites: “Judge according to the measure by which you would be judged.” Quite different. The idea that if you don’t tell one to go live in their sin that you are somehow “hating” that person is an old Satanic lie. Sadly, many are buying it hook line and sinker. I think when they come face to face with the Almighty they won’t be quite so quick to own up to their mistaken views of Him and His Word.


13 posted on 06/30/2012 8:01:18 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: TurboZamboni

Where is the comments section???


14 posted on 06/30/2012 8:11:29 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Chode

I guess to some, God’s grace has now become an insurance policy for sin.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 8:12:16 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Now he has time to read what Paul actually wrote on the subject.


16 posted on 06/30/2012 8:13:01 AM PDT by TigerClaws (He)
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To: Lx

towards the bottom of the newspaper’s website link


17 posted on 06/30/2012 8:14:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: JLLH

You CAN and SHOULD judge AND be prepared to be judged.


18 posted on 06/30/2012 8:19:46 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: upchuck

Begin Rant/

For years the faith community has mirrored the secular in many ways. Primarily in that they are sheep that sit back and let their ‘shepards’ run roughshod with no adherence to their respective laws...AKA the Constitution or Bible.

I cannot count the number of articles I have read about Dems/Libs holding meetings/seminars/indoctrination gatherings with clergy from all denominations. These events are nothing more than Libs pushing their agenda.

So the clergy, newly ‘evangelized’ and likely threatened with the IRS, returns to their respective flock with a new and more ‘tolerant’ attitude toward ‘social justice’, homosexuality and all the rest of lib wants and desires. The actual purpose of their existence (to teach the Bible and guide the faithful to a more righteous life) is now void.

But most/no one cares because they do their time in the pews and feel good about ‘doing their duty’. What is said from the pulpit is of little consequence for 75% or more of the people in the congregation.

And those who complain are then branded heretics etc. Dis invited from social events and generally made outcast. Their refuge from secular America is thus stripped from them. They have nowhere else to turn. Their very faith is telling them they are bad people for following it.

And so many turn away at the hypocrisy they see.

And the Democrats/Liberals wreck yet another powerbase of the Right/faithful/conservative America.

The Televangelist/con-men have long done this and profited handsomly. The Dems finally caught up and now run most churches like the Jimmy Swaggart TV show. As Swaggart/Roberts/Bakker and the rest said one thing and did another, so too do the Dems in Religion. And the sheep just graze on the soma.

Until the Pope and other denominational leadership get off their high-holy buttox and follow their own faith, reigning in these idiot pastors and other mouthpieces (much like the GOP and their adherence to the party platform needs to) AND HOLD THEM FULLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ANTI CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS, we are hosed. Period.

/End Rant


19 posted on 06/30/2012 8:20:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TurboZamboni

I still don’t see them, I don’t even see the website link.


20 posted on 06/30/2012 8:24:34 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: TurboZamboni
pretty much...
21 posted on 06/30/2012 8:26:49 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lx

http://www.twincities.com/stpaul/ci_20975779/pastor-whose-congregation-dwindled-after-supporting-gay-marriage


22 posted on 06/30/2012 8:29:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

I noticed that one thing he said was the same statement that is often used by sexual deviants (not just homosexuals) who come out of the closet.

“I don’t feel bad. I feel free.”

This is too much a coincidence, so I suggest that the pastor himself may have strong inclinations to deviance. In any event, if there are any parents in his much reduced congregation, it would probably be wise to keep their children away from him. As well as their farm or domestic animals and fresh vegetables, and to keep a close watch over any casseroles they bring to a potluck.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 8:44:34 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: TurboZamboni

I use you link in FF and can’t see the comments, I use IE and there they are.
Thank you,


24 posted on 06/30/2012 8:49:45 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Anytime a person adopts and freely speaks the buzzwords and catch phrases of the Left, they ARE the left. I have no doubt a man willing to do what he did is a closet case.

And if he/those like him personally are not, by some fluke, then a son/daughter/brother/sister/friend/relative IS and that completely remaps their moral compass.

Think of all the people you know or even read about who have ‘moderated’ their views on homosexuality once a person close to them exits the closet and gets ‘proud’. It is the rare person today that will stand firm and say “Well, see ya!” Most often they go through a series of verbal acrobatics that would shame an Olympic gymnast and end on “Well, it’s not my business what he does in his private life”.

Except his private life now has sitcoms on 400 channels and a lot of legislative support in congress.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 8:55:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
“Such ‘logic’ is why I and many others have forgone organized religion and made our faith a bit more ‘personal’.”

The tax exemption opened the opportunities of pastoral charlatanism wide. Mix in the opportunities to “recruit the young and innocent and these are the kind of pastor you get.

26 posted on 06/30/2012 9:05:02 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: TurboZamboni

“The church has about 125 members left, but often fewer than 30 show up on a given Sunday. Goodlow said 15 longstanding members met in recent weeks to discuss next steps”

This is what the left doesn’t understand (or perhaps they do, all too well!) that when you eviscerate the core of true believers, the institution collapses.

Why should people who don’t love Jesus and his word first go to church? They are donating their money to more worldly causes. The ones who really believe, who give their blood and sweat and toil, were sent away.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 9:29:30 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: upchuck

Supposedly in GA 27% of blacks will vote for Romney. My guess is this is due to gay marraige O came out for.

Should be higher, but it is a sign of light that at least some black congregations hold God in more respect than the godless Dems.


28 posted on 06/30/2012 9:32:32 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: olezip

United Church of Christ - a Unitarian Church??? If so, gay marriage was always a staple of their belief system.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 9:48:59 AM PDT by Eva
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To: fella

Though I’ll get hammered for saying it, Yes, that tax exemption needs to end. The modern churches have done nothing to justify it and the govt uses it like a weapon.

I understand that it takes money for a priest/pastor/call them whatever, to live and to maintain their flock. But I see no reason for the flock to be housed in a Yankee Stadium sized/styled building.

That said and to clarify my position, I may sound down on religion. That depends on how one looks at it. In many ways I am...their excesses and refusal to follow their respective playbook tops my list there. But on the other hand, I think it’s a great thing for people to come together under a common cause/belief and all the good things that ‘can’ accompany it.

It all really comes back to one issue for me. A person believes or they don’t. Their on the ground behavior determines the truth of which is which. And the window dressing is just that. A church needs enough money to house itself and feed it’s leader. All the rock band pagentry and lazer shows are total crap.

And if the churches had to pay their taxes like the rest, they might spend more time on what they preach, rather than worrying about having their status revoked for non-PC sermonizing.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 10:10:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Eva
UCC is not Unitarian. They still officially believe the Nicene Creed. They do "partner" with the Unitarians a lot on pro-gay, pro-abortion, proleft-wing politics.

Beinst they're congregational in governance, they still have congregations that don't go along with the Leftward tilt. Beats me why they stay with the UCC.

31 posted on 06/30/2012 5:23:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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32 posted on 06/30/2012 5:25:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Eva
UCC is not Unitarian. They still officially believe the Nicene Creed. They do "partner" with the Unitarians a lot on pro-gay, pro-abortion, proleft-wing politics.

Beinst they're congregational in governance, they still have congregations that don't go along with the Leftward tilt. Beats me why they stay with the UCC.

33 posted on 06/30/2012 5:27:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Eva
UCC is not Unitarian. They still officially believe the Nicene Creed. They do "partner" with the Unitarians a lot on pro-gay, pro-abortion, proleft-wing politics.

Beinst they're congregational in governance, they still have congregations that don't go along with the Leftward tilt. Beats me why they stay with the UCC.

34 posted on 06/30/2012 5:28:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: elpadre
“Liberal churches throughout the land are losing people and dollars in large amounts. Their national leadership is leading them into oblivion - and Jesus weeps. “

I'm not to sure about that last part. When the Creators house gets dirtied up then the Creator will clean it out. This whole incident kind of gives new meaning to the Bible quote of “You shall know them by their fruit”.

35 posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:24 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Norm Lenhart
Though I’ll get hammered for saying it, Yes, that tax exemption needs to end.

The leftists and anarchists agree with you...

36 posted on 07/01/2012 5:52:00 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Then the leftists and anarchists can apparently reason logicly when they want to. Aside from the whole “Render unto Cesar that which is Cesars” thing, If you can tell me the benefit in having a situation where churches being held hostage and prevented from speaking out against government over fear of the IRS is a good thing, I am interested in hearing it.

The church tax exemption accomplishes one thing. It stops honest churches from telling their flocks “No, you can’t go against your faith and support Democrats who want gay everything, abortion etc.” You notice that the ‘liberal’ churches have no tax problems or ‘separation’ issues when the pulpit screams “REPUBS ARE EVIL!!!”

Just churches that hold to their faith.

So please explain how it is that the exemption is a good thing in light of this very clear reality.


37 posted on 07/01/2012 7:28:35 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: I still care

There are churches and there are social clubs. Funny how the two so often become confused.


38 posted on 07/01/2012 7:51:54 AM PDT by CityCenter
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To: TurboZamboni

The goal of every pervert is to destroy the opposition and that includes normal people with a need to seek God. To the pervert, homosexuality is a religion. Perhaps they can turn now to a forum on rimming and felching technique. The fecal-eaters are putting normal people under their rules.


39 posted on 07/02/2012 6:13:15 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: TurboZamboni

love how he compares the civil rights movement to being the same as gay “”

It didn’t work too well, but Sandusky attempted the same defense.


40 posted on 07/02/2012 6:14:40 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
So please explain how it is that the exemption is a good thing in light of this very clear reality.

The exemption is a good thing because that is what society in the US (the people) decided to do long ago -long before the federal government was created and began amassing power at the expense of freedom. Yes, long ago before the fallacy called separation between Church and State was first mouthed and long before freedom of religion rather than being protected from government began being shunned by government and not even given a seat at the table in public, political, and legislative debate.

What you call an exemption for Churches is actually a protection from government. HOW can anyone consider the threat of being taxed worse than being taxed? Regardless, you believe the leftist view that Churches can not speak out -I do not. FURTHER I will never subscribe to your notion that the government grants any inalienable freedom and that one MUST PAY A FEE (e.g. be taxed) to be able to exercise that which the Creator has given us.

You need to rethink your premise on this -it is severely flawed. Now is the time to push back, NOT retreat...

41 posted on 07/05/2012 7:27:50 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

No, I believe that the threat of having their tax status revoked STOPS them from speaking out...thus the problem. The Govt threatens churches with BEING taxed to keep them silent. If they WERE taxed, the threat ends and they can speak freely.

No I don’t ‘want’ them taxed, but as long as the hammer is overhead, they are constrained.


42 posted on 07/05/2012 9:15:39 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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