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ObamaCare Survives - Electing Romney Just Became Imperative
Townhall.com ^ | June 30, 2012 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

The Supreme Court did not save us from ourselves, at least not entirely. That is still up to us, the people.

When the American people elected Barack Obama and large Democrat majorities, the die was cast. ObamaCare was coming. Popular or not, constitutional or not, affordable or not, it didn't matter. They were going to pass it, and then the rest of us could find out what they put in it.

After the Democrats shoved the 2700 pages of ObamaCare down our throats -- and we did find out how expensive, controlling, and coercive the legislation was -- a majority of Americans wanted the Supreme Court to toss it aside as unconstitutional.

In a 5-4 decision, the Court did not deem it a legal overreach by the Democrats. While I would have agreed with the minority (Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Kennedy), I respect the decision.

For those of us who originally disagreed with ObamaCare and now disagree with the majority opinion of the SCOTUS, the challenge remains the same as it would have been had the Court ruled otherwise. We need to elect Mitt Romney and House and Senate majorities that will repeal ObamaCare and replace it with free-market, pro-liberty solutions.

In a very real way, the Court just put the responsibility back on the voters to re-establish government of, by, and for the people. In the end, we get the government – and policies that go with it – that we deserve. So, who will we elect as our representative leaders in November? The importance of this election – already historic – just grew even greater.

As the nation absorbs and deciphers the SCOTUS ruling on ObamaCare, we thought our readers would find the following excerpts from NRO's analysis insightful.  Included is a link to the entire editorial. 

Chief Justice Roberts’s Folly

Posted June 28, 2012, 2:00PM-ET

National Review Online

By The Editors 

…Rarely has the maxim that the power to tax is the power to destroy been so apt, a portion of liberty being the direct object in this case.

What the Court has done is not so much to declare the mandate constitutional as to declare that it is not a mandate at all, any more than the mortgage-interest deduction in the tax code is a mandate to buy a house. Congress would almost surely have been within its constitutional powers to tax the uninsured more than the insured. Very few people doubt that it could, for example, create a tax credit for the purchase of insurance, which would have precisely that effect. But Obamacare, as written, does more than that. The law repeatedly speaks in terms of a “requirement” to buy insurance, it says that individuals “shall” buy it, and it levies a “penalty” on those who refuse. As the conservative dissent points out, these are the hallmarks of a “regulatory penalty, not a tax.”…

It now falls to the Republicans, and especially to Mitt Romney, to make the case for the repeal of the law and for its replacement by something better than either it or the health-care policies that preceded it…Opponents should take heart: The law remains unpopular. Let the president and his partisans ring their bells today, and let us work to make sure that they are wringing their hands come November.  Read more.



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1 posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
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2 posted on 06/30/2012 8:37:32 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Kaslin
I respect the decision

I don't, I doubt the four dissenters do, and I even doubt Roberts does. He knows it was a silly, convoluted, ridiculous finding for political reasons. He sold his soul, and sold out liberty.

3 posted on 06/30/2012 8:40:51 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 8:43:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Kaslin
Right. It's imperative to elect the man who prototyped socialized medicine while governor.

More KoolAid?

5 posted on 06/30/2012 8:47:37 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Works for me.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s been imperative to elect Romney for a long time.

I kept waiting for Obama to do the One More Thing that would convince some of the holdouts here that we have to get rid of him.

One More Things kept happening but they clung to their imaginary lifeboat.

Maybe this is finally it.

Let’s hope so.


7 posted on 06/30/2012 8:54:14 AM PDT by altura
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To: the invisib1e hand

well said, good place to bump the thread


8 posted on 06/30/2012 8:54:23 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kaslin

If you think that Romney will fix it, you are barking up the wrong tree.During the campaign, he will vow and swear that his first official act will be to repeal it. Should and it is a big should he be elected,the morning after the election he will think about it, laught about it, and forget about it.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 8:54:31 AM PDT by sport
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To: the invisib1e hand

Romney is windsock. He has no core principles that guide him, only his desire to succeed. We can make him blow in the right direction so he can be a “successful” president.

He is our only real choice at this point anyway, so we play the hand we have.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 8:56:48 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: sport

or you could not vote at all and spin the wheel of chance.maybe after two terms we’ll REALLY dislike obama.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 8:58:52 AM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: baddog 219
It's Obamunism.

Signed,
Antiobamunist

12 posted on 06/30/2012 9:02:44 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: sport
If you think that Romney will fix it, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Unfortunately, there is no "right" tree.

Ask yourself a simple question - of the two candidates that have a possibility of winning the election in November, which one would you prefer? I know, we're right at the same point we've been in every election since Reagan's second term, but that's the choice we've got. The republican party succeeded in dividing and conquering the conservative vote again, and we're stuck with Romney as a result.

I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. At least he's not a communist.

13 posted on 06/30/2012 9:03:37 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Kaslin

More than Romney, we need the House and the Senate both. Otherwise it’s just a stalemate which leaves this travesty of law in place.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 9:10:23 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I admit—this will make it easier to vote for Mitt-—but he was certainly not my first choice.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 9:19:26 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: VaRepublican
After all the lies that Romney has been caught in, why should I beleive him this time?

But that is neither here nor there because I am not voting for Romney. Why? Because I do not vote for baby killers. I do not vote for those who support the homosexual agenda. I do not vote for proven liars.

And again, since obamacare is modeled after Romneycare, other than wishful thinking, what evidence suggests that Romney will repeal it?

Under the system of Government we were once under, laws were enacted and repealed by the Leglislative Branch. If, and again it is a big if, Romney should wit the election, He would be the head of the Executive Brance. Which enforces enacted laws.

16 posted on 06/30/2012 9:21:54 AM PDT by sport
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To: Kaslin; P-Marlowe

Romney will not repeal ObamaCare.

Why? Because the Senate is always the issue. There are 37 Dems that are safe or not up for election. Add to that 5 who are likely Dem and 5 who are leaning Dem, and you get a grand total of 47.

Without even considering the Republicans, we know that 41 votes is insurmountable given the Senate filibuster rules.

Right now RCP says there are 47 Dems, 8 tossups, and 45 Republicans based on the most recent polling.

To repeal ObamaCare the Republicans need to hold the House, Pluse Defeat Obama, and now the most difficult hurdle...they have to keep the Dems from adding only 4 seats to those 37 that are either safe or not up for election.

And that’s assuming that all of the Republican senators are true-blue conservative, non-rinos.

Sorry, America, but that ain’t happening.


17 posted on 06/30/2012 9:23:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: sport

Obama thanks you for your support.


18 posted on 06/30/2012 9:24:46 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Kaslin

19 posted on 06/30/2012 9:26:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: BrewingFrog

Liars, backstabbers, and the AUTHOR of ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE
thanks YOU for your support.


20 posted on 06/30/2012 9:27:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
Without even considering the Republicans, we know that 41 votes is insurmountable given the Senate filibuster rules.

Deathcare was passed by the reconciliation process, which needs 51 votes. It can be repealed through the same process.

Unfortunately, all we have is the shape-shifting Romney's word that he'll repeal the legislation his policies helped draft.

21 posted on 06/30/2012 9:28:40 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: BrewingFrog

Go tell it to the Republican Party.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 9:29:10 AM PDT by sport
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Anything can be filibustered.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 9:34:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe we’re wrong to assume ObamaCare can’t be repealed until Mitt Romney is elected.

If the mandate is a tax, it’s repeal would have to be initiated in the House, where Republicans have a strong majority. And, since it’s a tax, a simple majority in the Senate would be sufficient to repeal it since 60-vote majorities are not required to enact tax-related measures.

Although Democrats have a slight majority in the Senate, Democratic Senators running for re-election this year would be under extreme pressure to vote for the mandate’s repeal, in order to avoid suffering the fate of their former colleagues whose 2009 pro-ObamaCare votes caused them to be defeated in landslide numbers in 2010. It’s not unlikely that four or five Democratic Senators who want to keep their jobs would vote with the pro-repeal Republicans. And that would do it.

John Boehner already has a repeal vote scheduled for the House in about a week. Things will get very interesting, and our side has a respectable chance of winning.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 9:41:22 AM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: meyer

Thank you for your well thought out and reasonable response.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 9:41:47 AM PDT by sport
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To: Diogenesis

26 posted on 06/30/2012 9:42:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

wow.

just wow.

We need to overturn Obama care so badly, we want to elect the man who gave Massachusetts ROMNEY CARE and made it illegal to not have insurance

by electing the man whose halth care plan was the blueprint for Obama care, we will do away with Obama care

Electing the creator of the lightbulb to keep the cave dark is not logical

God Help us!


27 posted on 06/30/2012 9:46:30 AM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: sport

Hey, sport, got a better suggestion?


28 posted on 06/30/2012 9:46:42 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: the invisib1e hand

God is displaying a very warped sense of humor, sending us Romney to defeat OblamoDeathWarrants. Why couldn’t He have sent us Ronald Reagan II?


29 posted on 06/30/2012 9:54:17 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Why couldn’t He have sent us Ronald Reagan II?

because we're a nation that makes people rich by grinding 1 million unborn babies a year into mincemeat and flushing them down the toilet.

If you were God, what would you do?

30 posted on 06/30/2012 9:57:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: xzins

Reconciliation bills cannot be filibustered because their time of debate is limited by the Congressional Budget Act.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2009/04/20-budget-mann

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2010/01/25-reconciliation-binder


31 posted on 06/30/2012 10:01:28 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

The article is 100% correct: it is imperative that we elect Romney, not just to overturn obamacare, but to appoint justices.

If Obama gets to appoint more justices to high courts, including the Supreme Court, freedom is DEAD.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 10:01:39 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: altura
To: Kaslin

It’s been imperative to elect Romney for a long time.

I kept waiting for Obama to do the One More Thing that would convince some of the holdouts here that we have to get rid of him.

One More Things kept happening but they clung to their imaginary lifeboat.

Maybe this is finally it.

Let’s hope so.

Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

First of all, they HATE Mittens with a passion, probably, I'm guessing, cuz many are frustrated "Paul-Bots," who are still "grieving" over their loss

Secondly, they have an IRRATIONAL (why I don't know and NONE has seen fit to try and explain why?) FEAR and HATRED for Mormons.

Moreover, they are living in "Delusional-ville" whereby they think that (provided we take back the Senate and hold the House)--and IN SPITE OF THE DOZEN OR SO RINO'S in the Senate--the Republi-Tards will "Keep Dear Leader in Check,".....

....then in 2016, we can find/nominate a 100% Conservative, dontcha know?

And LAST BUT NOT LEAST, being "REAL" Christians (as opposed to us "Make Believe" ones) they are STANDING ON "PRINCIPLES!"

Of course, they REFUSE to even consider that the way things are going, we will probably NOT have an United States of America as we know it in 2016.

33 posted on 06/30/2012 10:02:00 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: HerrBlucher

It was a dopey decision. First Roberts ruled that the penalty wasn’t a tax, then he ruled that it was. And he played Twister to come to the conclusion that it was a tax.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 10:03:21 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: sport

Yes, indeed, we will be sooooo much better off with Obama getting a second term, is that your point?!


35 posted on 06/30/2012 10:03:45 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You like four more years of Obama?


36 posted on 06/30/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: popdonnelly
You like four more years of Obama?

you like heroin instead of crack?

37 posted on 06/30/2012 10:06:49 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

It’s salami slicing tactics. The Communists did it in Hungary and Czechoslovakia to seize power as well.

Conservatives are too sore because they can’t magically resolve every issue in one election, meanwhile the leftists keep building their statist nightmare brick by brick.

They didn’t build the welfare state in 4 years, and it sure as hell isn’t going to be undone in one administration. That’s the truth.


38 posted on 06/30/2012 10:07:29 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: RaceBannon

While we’re waiting for God to help us, we have to help ourselves by voting for the only guy who can beat him.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 10:07:47 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: RaceBannon

You play the hand you are dealt.

Conservatives couldn’t unite behind one candidate, so we ended up with Romney.

Right now the ONLY choice is Obama or Romney.

Any conservative should consider that a vote not cast, or cast for a third party candidate may be THE vote that helps Obama get reelected. Just remember the Bush v Gore election — 500 votes made the difference!


40 posted on 06/30/2012 10:09:19 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Yes. You’re right and I’m wrong. Reconciliation cannot be filibustered.

However...the repeal of RomneyCare wouldn’t be automatic because it was originally passed by reconciliation. It would be a new bill and a new Senate, and it would have to itself meet the requirements to qualify to be eligible for reconciliation.

Most importantly, the Repubs would have to control the Senate even for that to happen. It’s possible with a 48 Dem, 8 tossup, 45 republican current election map, but it’s easier for the Dems to retain control than for the republicans to take it.

Finally, the Senate bill itself was not passed by reconciliation...it passed by a 60-39 vote in the Senate, so reconciliation wasn’t needed.

It was the Senate/House conference refinement of the bill with the House that required reconcilation.

As always, that assumes a rino-proof Senate. None of the rinos had to show their true colors in the original vote, because the dems had 60 votes already. The rinos were able to stay hidden.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 10:11:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Diogenesis
Liars, backstabbers, and the AUTHOR of ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE thanks YOU for your support...

As opposed to those who are working diligently (WITH DEAR LEADER'S TACICT SUPPORT) to DESTROY OUR REPUBLIC?

COME ON Diogenesis, GROW A PAIR and give us some "FACTS" as to HOW and WHY, Mittens is more DANGEROUS and a THREAT to our Republic than is Dear Leader?

The Muslim Brotherhood Agenda as outlined in 1991 in Phildelphia:

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means.

The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America
is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within
and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands
and the hands of the believers
so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions.

Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

(REMINDER of that—The Muslim Brotherhood/Islam--which B. Hussein Obama SUPPORTS and which is ACTIVELY working—through “Civilization/Stealth” Jihad—to replace our Constitution with SHARIA )

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CREED:

Allah is our objective;
the Prophet is our leader;
the Quran is our law;
Jihad is our way;
dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

Though we are all aware of Obama's proclivity towards appeasing Islam and Islamic Republics; his negotiating with our enemies (Taliban); his release of captured Terrorists; his support of the "Arab Spring" in the ME which has led to the takeover of those countries by Radical Islamists; etc, many are not aware of what he has done to facilitate their (Islamists) acceptance and appointment to positions of "trust" within our own Government

Here are but 6 of those individuals:

03hussain
Rashad Hussain

sk.kifa
Kifa Mustapha

Mohamed_Elibiary

Momamed Elibiary

huma

Huma Abedin

dalia-mogahed

Daliah Mogahed

ImamMagid-TN

Mohamed Magid

Islam is a frontal attack on Christianity and Judaism and its time we understood this threat and called it what it is. We are not in a “war on terror”, which so many politically correct politicians would have us believe.

The whole world is, and has been for 1,400 years, in a WAR AGAINST ISLAM! If we do not stand up against this cancerous enemy, whose ultimate goal is to bring the entire world into submission to Islam and have all people worship none but Allah, then Western Civilization and human freedom as we know it will soon cease to exist.

America faces in addition to the threat of violent jihad another, even more toxic danger – a stealthy and pre-violent form of warfare aimed at destroying our constitutional form of democratic government and free society. The Muslim Brotherhood is the prime-mover behind this seditious campaign, which it calls “civilization jihad.”

For a detailed description of who these individuals pictured above are, their goals and what damage they have done and the real threat they pose, see the following:

Muslim Brotherhood in America Part 8: Team Obama and the Islamists

IF after viewing this video, one does not come away with the resolve to do whatever it takes to defeat Barack Hussein Obama, then I worry about the future of our Great Republic.

PS: One should at least bookmark this most enlightening, informative, well researched and documented 10-part Series by Frank Gaffney (Muslim Brotherhood in America) and watch all of it as soon as time permits.

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

All it takes for .....

capt.photo_1245188299465-1-0 obama-rip-constitution

.....EVIL....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"

....you know, like staying home or writing in someone's name which is the same thing as affirmatively, voting for the closest most of us will ever come to WITNESSING PURE EVIL while still alive...Barack, Barry, Hussein, Soetoro, Obama.

"Oh yeah, we'll stand on 'PRINCIPLES' and show them what's what, then in 2016, we will really, REALLY, work to elect a true Conservative....."

Yeah, right, provided there is still a United States of America left as we used to know it.

FAIR WARNING: America's Enemies Within

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." ...

Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus Tullius Cicero

42 posted on 06/30/2012 10:12:04 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Kickass Conservative
I like it, but I was going for more of a neo-con theme to it therefore using the ism Obama+ -ism is a suffix in many English words, originally derived from Ancient Greek. It is commonly used in philosophy and politics. But I see your point.
43 posted on 06/30/2012 10:14:04 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: the invisib1e hand

I ain’t drinking the kool-aid either.

If the GOP wants to put Romney in, they’ll do it without me.


44 posted on 06/30/2012 10:18:34 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

But you are happy to help Obama get reelected.

Great “conservative” position. :(


45 posted on 06/30/2012 10:30:16 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Diogenesis

I do not disagree. However, you have two choices. A third choice does not exise, except insofar as to tacitly benefit Obama. Therefore, you have only two choices.

We are forced to deal with degrees of losing.

The only hope is to have such a mighty number of voices in the House and Senate that a slime like Romney will be forced to do the right thing.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 10:31:54 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Shadow44

Interesting point !


47 posted on 06/30/2012 10:35:55 AM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Then I’ll change my hopes ... instead of hoping THEY see the light, I’ll start hoping they are very few in number.

(I think they are, just very dedicated and determined to post everywhere)


48 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by altura
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To: BrewingFrog

You do NOT win by choosing a PHONEY LIAR who has history
of helping the OTHER SIDE, and in the case
of Team Romney, simply LYING about it.


49 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: popdonnelly
"You like four more years of Obama"

It isn't about our nation or freedom with any of these guys. They've just found an outlet that lets them pretend their pride and petulance is principle. They are weak and ill.


50 posted on 06/30/2012 10:41:13 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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