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Roberts Opinions Sets Up a Scary Slippery Slope
Examiner.com ^ | 06/30/2012 | Rob Binsrick

Posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:36 AM PDT by Desperado67

Since the news that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the majority in ruling that the Obamacare individual mandate is constitutional, there has been tremendous debate and analysis about the opinion that he offered. Liberals predictability praised the ruling and gloated that they knew it was constitutional all along - even though most of them never admitted or even implied that the mandate was tantamount to a tax (which is what Roberts determined). Conservatives praised other parts of the opinion which basically limited significantly the use of the commerce clause in any future legislation, and it also helps them promote their narrative that Barack Obama is just another tax-and-spend liberal.

Since the ruling, most polls show that most Americans still disapprove of Obamacare and of the Supreme Court's ruling about it. Future polls about Obamacare are likely to show even higher numbers of those disapproving of the act and the ruling. That is because the opinion provided by Roberts sets the stage for frequent and massive tax increases on any number of issues down the road.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; benedictroberts; deathpanels; fff; government; healthcare; obama; obamacare; robbinsrick; taxes; zerocare

1 posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:47 AM PDT by Desperado67
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To: Desperado67

Spend and tax has always been a slippery slope.


2 posted on 06/30/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by Invictus (Get used to living in the USSA (ununited socialist states of america))
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To: Desperado67

Roberts has rendered the commerce claus meaningless. Now, as long as any law forcing the purchase of any product contains a tax (penalty) selectively applied only to those who choose not to comply then it is not a “mandate”

A mandate without a financial enforcement mechanism is unconstitutional, but if the government uses a “tax” to force complaince then it becomes constitutional.


3 posted on 06/30/2012 8:40:57 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: NavVet

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Desperado67

The Roberts ruling threw us off a cliff above a void that goes straight to Hell.

A slippery slope would be a luxury. We have no such luxury.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

The Roberts ruling recognized our nation is hurting.

We need to STOP sending our manufacturing elsewhere. We need to bring back our manufacturing we have exported.

We need to work more for and with each other.

Now.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 8:52:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Desperado67
The Revolution is right around the corner, just like and for the same reasons for the foundlings of our country. We are being run like a Dictatorial Monarchy.
7 posted on 06/30/2012 8:53:06 AM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

First thing we need to do is get conservatives to stop crying and get back into the fight.

We need Patton to slap the crap out of the shell shock crowd.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 8:57:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Desperado67

Call anything a tax, no matter what it is, and it just became constitutional. How cool is that?!?!


9 posted on 06/30/2012 8:57:56 AM PDT by joma89
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To: Desperado67

The Robert opinion was incoherent.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 8:58:40 AM PDT by RushingWater (Let's have a brokered convention and page Sarah Palin)
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To: Desperado67

Our Republic is gone.

What do you want from me?

Our Republic is gone.

We sold it for some good feelings. :(


11 posted on 06/30/2012 8:59:32 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Desperado67

bump


12 posted on 06/30/2012 9:01:21 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Desperado67

the founding principles of our nation, carefully protected by our constitution have been destroyed by 4 clowns and an idiot..and a congress full of ideological liars and thieves.

yes the people elected those who appointed the clown posse, but they should not have exceeded their oath and responsibilities...

i still see a major flaw in that kagan did not recuse herself and roberts did not make her as if he planned on having the spotlight...hmmm


13 posted on 06/30/2012 9:01:24 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Desperado67

the founding principles of our nation, carefully protected by our constitution have been destroyed by 4 clowns and an idiot..and a congress full of ideological liars and thieves.

yes the people elected those who appointed the clown posse, but they should not have exceeded their oath and responsibilities...

i still see a major flaw in that kagan did not recuse herself and roberts did not make her as if he planned on having the spotlight...hmmm


14 posted on 06/30/2012 9:01:24 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Desperado67
Slippery slope my a$$.

We just went over the cliff.

There is no more slope.

15 posted on 06/30/2012 9:01:27 AM PDT by evad (It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax, It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax)
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To: timestax
Wittle justice Wobert changed his mind so as not to hurt the feelings of the “nice” Muslim President Obobo. Isn’t that so precious ?
16 posted on 06/30/2012 9:02:49 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Desperado67
Since the news that Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the created a majority in ruling that the Obamacare individual mandate is constitutional - CORRECTED
17 posted on 06/30/2012 9:06:48 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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I don’t believe they’ll stop until they get some form of carbon tax. That of course isn’t something noble, it’s about complete control of human activity. Now that the gov’t has access to your bank account through forced health care “tax”, would it be a big jump to think the gov’t/irs couldn’t have direct access to your money in a carbon tax scheme?

Once the dollar is done away with and/or we go cashless it could look like some sci-fi movie where we’re some sort of fleshbots completely controlled by a central bank...I mean gov’t. ;)


18 posted on 06/30/2012 9:14:38 AM PDT by Hayride
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To: Desperado67

“No level of activity or inactivity is safe from taxation now. And what makes it even scarier is the fact that taxing provisions can be included in budget reconciliation packages, which means they will need only a simple majority vote in the Senate to pass rather than a 60-vote super-majority.”

True, except that Congress would have to go through traditional means of passing that legislation and then try to get re-elected.

Even so, as it stands, legislation that couldn’t possibly have passed public scrutiny or unpopularity OR Constitutional muster was converted into law. Thanks for (taking) the liberty, Mr. Roberts!


19 posted on 06/30/2012 9:16:50 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Desperado67

The slippery slope is above us.
We are a society of takers that enslaves the productive.
Only a true cataclysm, that forces the lazy to work or die, will chane things. And then perhaps we can revisit the Contitution of 1786 and follow it.


20 posted on 06/30/2012 9:25:03 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: joma89; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot
Call anything a tax, no matter what it is, and it just became constitutional.

To stop any more Robertsgate crap, the word TAX has to be spelled out in a bill that passes the Congress and is signed by a Presiden, NOT a THING!

Our reps should never again vote on a bill WITHOUT READING IT!

If the word TAX were in the 0b0z0C0mmieCare, it would have NEVER passed the 60-vote democrap Senate!

Roberts looked for adulation from the MSM and the left; he got them and the promised wonderful legacy written by whom? THE LEFT!

Everything bad that happens in the US could be traced back to the MSM lies, the MSM silence or the MSM communist agenda blind support.

The communist MSM is the number one enemy of the USA and the West, no other entity comes close. They have to be punished heavily, one day.

21 posted on 06/30/2012 9:37:32 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Desperado67

Obama stars as the tax man in the Beatle’s song.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 9:39:50 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Desperado67

There is NO “SILVER LINING” in the Robert’s ruling as some folks are trying to say—misuse of the commerce clause to justify future federal action has not been limited in any way by the Robert’s decision. We are on a major league slippery slope with liberty slip-sliding away; and we have John Robert’s despicable actions to thank for that sorry condition. Hope you’re very pleased with yourself John. Hope you enjoy the accolades that the Washington Post and the New York Times will be bestowing on you. I hope you and your wife enjoy the cocktail parties to which you will now be invited. Revel, while you can in this life, in the joys bought by your embrace and enabling of the forces destroying the remnants of our great Republic.

There will come a time when Justice Roberts despairs among the ruins of the American Republic that will be his legacy to his AND OUR children. He must be very proud of himself.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/what-if-that-huge-conservative-doctrinal-achievement-was-mere-dicta/


23 posted on 06/30/2012 9:45:29 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: All

Wao... It will be interesting to know how Roberts came to this decision... Books will probably be written about it, but I am afraid he screw up royally and won’t be forgiven for it, by republicans any way.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 9:46:57 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: Desperado67

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QjQ7UZMJBQ


25 posted on 06/30/2012 9:58:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Desperado67
Something else that Roberts has effectively OK'd is the total government control of every individual's life through taxation. Supporters of Obamacare who recognize the tax, say it's not a tax, it's a tax credit for people who are willing to play along. Nevermind that from the very beginning it IS a tax on EVERYONE!

Given Robert's ruling, the government can now place a $4000 tax on every taxpayer, and then give a $4000 "tax credit" for people who buy a Chevy Volt. Or how about a $2500 tax on every home, and then a $2500 "tax credit" if you install a "smart meter," giving the government control over your power usage.

There is simply NO END to the amount of social engineering this places in the hands of government, and in so doing, no limit of the amount of power and control over your life.

Mark

26 posted on 06/30/2012 10:37:17 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: chris37
The Roberts ruling threw us off a cliff above a void that goes straight to Hell.

A slippery slope would be a luxury. We have no such luxury.

With the Kelo decision, I figured we were fast approaching the end of government protection of personal property. which is really the lynch-pin of liberty and freedom. With the government takeover of GM & Chrysler, we saw rampant lawlessness by the government in the breaking of bankruptcy and contract laws... Given that the government was supposed to protect the individual from these sorts of things, while both were perpetrated BY the government on individuals, the end was near.

Robert's decision was the last nail in the coffin of personal freedom and liberty, in granting government total control over every aspect of the individual's life through taxation.

Mark

27 posted on 06/30/2012 10:45:59 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Mach9
True, except that Congress would have to go through traditional means of passing that legislation and then try to get re-elected.

Which is why the dems are trying to get as many people dependant on government as possible, by expanding food stamps and extending the vote to illegal aliens.

The dems know they can always depend on Paul's vote, when they rob Peter to pay Paul.

Mark

28 posted on 06/30/2012 10:54:52 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

It is the last nail, Mark.

I fear a large number of people fail to realize what happened on Thursday. Many of them are running around trying to find some victory in it, but there is none.

We were made slaves on Thursday.

There is about one thing we can do at this point, and that is await our orders from our owners.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 11:38:36 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37; MarkL
I fear a large number of people fail to realize what happened on Thursday. Many of them are running around trying to find some victory in it, but there is none.

We were made slaves on Thursday.

Anyone with a love of Liberty can clearly see that this decision is ominous for our Liberties. It is the most destructive of decisions.

Roberts is an extremely EVIL human being. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about that subhuman cretin.

As each day passes, I find myself more angry at the purposeful act by a man who isn't worthy to be called an American.

The evil Roberts has gleefully committed High Treason against our beloved Constitution.

30 posted on 06/30/2012 11:02:37 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88

I absolutely agree with everything you’ve said.

I find my attitude deteriorating each day as well.

It is as if there is no point to anything anymore.

One thing has become absolutely clear to me.

Evil reigns.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 11:09:00 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

What in the world are you talking about.


32 posted on 07/02/2012 8:07:04 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Hey you don’t get party feed cr*p from this poster.

You may not approve, but you’ll get honesty.


33 posted on 07/02/2012 8:45:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: NavVet

(oh sorry, that last post was yours...)


34 posted on 07/02/2012 8:46:45 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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