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Online threat but SWAT team raids wrong house
MSNBC.com ^ | June 29,2012 | Matt Liebowitz

Posted on 06/30/2012 9:46:54 AM PDT by Hojczyk

Edited on 06/30/2012 9:55:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Imagine you're sitting at home, comfortable on the couch, watching the Food Network, when all of a sudden a heavily armed SWAT team breaks down your door and storms into your living room.

That's what happened to 18-year-old Stephanie Milan, who was watching TV in her family's Evansville, Ind., home last Thursday (June 22), when a team of police officers broke down her storm door the front door was already open and tossed a flash-bang stun grenade into the room.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; swat

1 posted on 06/30/2012 9:47:02 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

This joint is starting to look like pre-WWII Germany. I wonder what’s up.


2 posted on 06/30/2012 9:51:19 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
This joint is starting to look like pre-WWII Germany. I wonder what’s up.

Very valid observation & I am looking into leaving this once great nation before we are not allowed to do such. To all, be prepared.

3 posted on 06/30/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Hojczyk

Stupid hopped-up cops with too many toys acting foolishly.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 9:57:03 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Hojczyk

One of these days some idiot SWAT team is going to hit the wrong address and run into someone who knows what he’s doing and all of them are going to end up dead.

When that happens I’m going to stand up and cheer.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 9:59:17 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

SWAT Teams need to have some IED awareness training.


6 posted on 06/30/2012 10:00:39 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Hojczyk

Hope they get a lawyer and sue. I know it’ll probably have littlee effect, but I would at least expect them to recover damages.


7 posted on 06/30/2012 10:01:23 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I wonder what’s up.”

Just preparing us for the scheduled police state. Move along, sheeple, nothing to see here.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 10:02:07 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

In the final analysis, America came to the rescue and restored freedom to the German people but America will NEVER have the luxury of outside help.

Consequently, we are toast.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 10:03:52 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Hojczyk

Whatever happened to staking the place out or knocking on the door first? Good thing they didn’t have a dog.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 10:14:13 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Lurker

Here is a story that outlines exactly what you are commenting on. Thankfully, the soldier did not want to harm anyone, as this trained soldier with considerable combat experience harmed no one. He is now in jail with over a dozen counts of attempted murder against him, no treatment for PTSD and the Army wants to dishonorably discharge him. All this because a fireman tried to smash down his door in the middle of the night and the soldier awoke thinking he was back in Afghanistan fighting insurgents and barricaded the door.

About three weeks ago, the same police officer that shot Joshua Eisenhauer shot and killed another Staff Sgt in the Warrior Transition Battalion at Ft Bragg.

USA Today: Police get help with vets who are ticking bombs. By Kevin Johnson, Published: 01:49 PM, Tues Jan 24, 2012
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-01-24/police-training-combative-veterans/52794974/1

LA Times: Soldier accused in firefight with police is prisoner to PTSD. By David Zucchino, Published: 5:00 A.M., Sun June 24, 2012
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ptsd-shooting-20120624,0,7495398.story


11 posted on 06/30/2012 10:14:57 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: bgill

“Good thing they didn’t have a dog.”

Ya beat me to it!


12 posted on 06/30/2012 10:18:41 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Hojczyk

Scant effort at explanation, but it’s hinted that someone else might have glommed a connection on to her unprotected wireless home internet network. So the SWATties did home in on the address where the network was, but of course were eluded by whoever used her network to send the threats, whether by war driving or by being in a neighboring house. There are so many open networks today that using them unseen to do something nefarious on the internet, from uploading kiddie porn to committing frauds (let alone threatening police) is a burgeoning problem. And an article linked from this one suggests that, especially with rent-a-cloud computing services, even poorly password protected wireless internet networks are vulnerable — if you use something that’s in a dictionary, the dictionary can be bounced against a sample of your data transmission in seconds. (Of course a dedicated home computer could be used as well. The cloud is just one way.) I’d suggest using at minimum WPA2 with a password that is randomly typed gibberish to the maximum field length you can get.


13 posted on 06/30/2012 10:18:58 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Hojczyk

You’d think someone called the White House and made credible terrorist threats.

Or someone from the home called and reported people shot and hostages were being held at gun point.

This is not our parents America.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hojczyk

SWAT- Stupid Wussies Acting Tough


15 posted on 06/30/2012 10:42:01 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Hojczyk

This is the price for living in a free country.


16 posted on 06/30/2012 10:46:15 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: freedomfiter2
Stupid Wussies Steroid wackos Acting Tough.

I owned a a gym, and by far, many of the the LEOs & Firemen were major users

17 posted on 06/30/2012 11:21:51 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Hojczyk
what a great way to win friends and influence people... these doughnut eaters are begging for it
18 posted on 06/30/2012 12:13:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dljordan

Bullsh**.


19 posted on 06/30/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Paladin2
SWAT Teams need to have some IED awareness training.

No, they don't... and shouldn't.
If they start getting it, then you know stuff's going down... CWII-type stuff.

20 posted on 06/30/2012 12:42:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dljordan

-——This is the price for living in a free country.-——

I think you got that completely ass backward

Totalitarian regimes break down your door terrorize you without warning....

In a free country you are innocent until proven guilty....


21 posted on 06/30/2012 1:39:27 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: dljordan

This is the price for living in a free country.


You’ve mistaken “Freedom” for “Security.” Those who would trade Freedom for Security will have neither.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Rev 6: 3-4)
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To: Hojczyk

———The Courier & Press said the police had been investigating “anonymous and specific online threats made against police and their families on the website topix.com,” and had obtained a search warrant for the Milan house-——

Wait a damn minute.... A judge issued a search warrant on “anonymous” threats made online ?


23 posted on 06/30/2012 1:50:19 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Popman
A judge issued a search warrant on “anonymous” threats made online ?

Maybe the judge signs anything put in front of him.

24 posted on 06/30/2012 2:05:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Hojczyk

I smell a big ass lawsuit coming & if done right a new command staff for the police dept.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 2:40:17 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

“You’ve mistaken “Freedom” for “Security.” Those who would trade Freedom for Security will have neither.”

I was being sarcastic. I should have posted the usual warning.


26 posted on 06/30/2012 3:24:32 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Popman

“I think you got that completely ass backward”

I was being sarcastic.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 3:25:40 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Lurker

“Bullsh**.”

I was being sarcastic. :)


28 posted on 06/30/2012 3:26:59 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Digger

Let me know what you find - a place on the beach, maid, stable currency, some adult beverages, wideband, already had the wife for 32 years so that’s covered, 2A rights at least in the home, etc. anyway $2000/mth and I’m in ... a jacuzzi wouldn’t hurt.

Of course it goes without saying that it’d be best if the muslims didn’t have some misbegotten claim to the area or just made one up to justify their atrocities lately ... that makes your decision harder.

Rats - down to like 2 countries. You?


29 posted on 06/30/2012 4:07:49 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Lurker

Once your door is smashed in and a flash bang goes off - its over for you that night. No matter how many you may “get”.

Its going to end badly. Call somebody, put your phone in your pocket (microphone up)and put your hands up with your back to the leos and scream “Help me!” repeatedly. Trust me. ;-)

Good luck with that resistance thing unless you have a tank too?


30 posted on 06/30/2012 4:22:36 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Hojczyk

This isn’t rocket science, people. The SWAT raid is an indicator of a bad police chief.

You organize the local VFW and American Legion and get involved. Then you attend the local town council meeting with about 200 vets and demand that the chief be fired.

That’s how we fired two police chiefs in my town. They were a-holes and needed to go, and we got rid of them.

The key operative phrase is GET INVOLVED. That means for two nights a month you don’t go fishing, you don’t work on the kitchen addition and you don’t watch pre-season football. You lift your fat, lazy butt off the couch or flotation cushion and start controlling what’s going on in your local government.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 6:16:36 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

An increasing number of officers are willing—and eager-—to be “just following orders”.

We need to stop this. Now.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 10:20:04 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Lurker

Me too. Raiding the wrong person’s house under color of law is illegal. No protection under immunity for these badged thugs.


33 posted on 06/30/2012 11:14:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Lurker

I believe he was being sarcastic.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 11:16:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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