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Santorum: Romneycare 'hasn't worked in Mass'- 'voting for Romney over Obama a clear choice for me'
Ny Daily News ^ | June 29, 2012 | Kristen A. Lee /

Posted on 06/30/2012 2:43:06 PM PDT by Innovative

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To: BlackElk

(say ... is “awoken” a word? I’m too lazy to look it up!) {^)


101 posted on 07/03/2012 8:20:28 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Innovative
Every single word of your post applies to the consequences of a Romney landslide, except for the hysterical mantra an Obama second term ... will result in the total destruction of the US and our freedoms. That is pure mass hysteria and cowardice.

Consequences are the ONLY thing that matter.

And if Romney wins in a landslide and proceeds to steamroll his agenda of subjecting our national sovereignty in energy and food production to the global warming agenda, of forcing the accomodation of open homosexuals in everything from the military to schools to Boy Scout troops, to pushing RomneyCare V 2.1, to appointing activist judges that make Roberts look harmless, all the while telling conservatives to sit down and be quiet like good little children, you ABOers who voted for Romney against your better judgment and contributed to seeing him elected on a "popular mandate" landslide, would be in anquish at how true that statement is.

We all know where the road with good intentions lead.

Heed your own words, FRiend. And while you're at it, heed as well that we all know where panic and hysteria lead: to DUMB CHOICES regretted later.

ABO is based 100% on fear. It is a BAD STRATEGY.

102 posted on 07/03/2012 8:31:41 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Innovative

Posting self portraits now? Certainly your tagline is a form of one.


103 posted on 07/03/2012 8:33:21 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: JLLH

More hysteria and fear.


104 posted on 07/03/2012 8:34:50 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: balls
Obama sympathizers Diogenisis and Cripplecreek ...

... are among at least 169 FReepers including the owner and founder of this website, who understand that Romney is a bridge too far and that voting for him is as destructive and counter-productive -- in short, as nuts -- as voting for Obama.

Who knew that Jim Robinson and I are "Obama sympathizers"!

When it comes to standing and fighting for conservatism, your screen name is a one-word oxymoron.

105 posted on 07/03/2012 8:45:09 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: JLLH
Isn't it interesting that telling the truth of what you believe will happen if barry gets four more years is dismissed as ‘more fear mongering’, by those who are working hard to get folks to vote third party ‘to teach the GOPe a lesson’? And if that dismissive insult doesn't work, you will next be informed how your voting for Romney is a violation of God's righteousness, a slap in the face of Christ, or some other carefully worded insult. It smacks of axelrodesque strategery, which even if not from axelgreasy's talking points is a creepy convergence.
106 posted on 07/03/2012 8:48:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Innovative

BTTT!


107 posted on 07/03/2012 8:51:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trebb

Wow! Even for a guy who is voting for Romney and urging others to join him, I must say your intellectual arguments here are very compelling! *snort*


108 posted on 07/03/2012 8:52:59 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: OneWingedShark; cripplecreek; Diogenesis
And hey, why aren't I on that list too?

Well, you're on my list that I've been compiling for a couple weeks now of folks like you, me, cripplecreek, Dio-g, and Jim Robinson, who understand how dangerous Romney is and how exaggerated the claims of Obama's threat. I started it just to confirm how many of us few-and-far-betweeners were here, expecting to find about 60 FReepers who've delcared their refusal to support Romney. The list is now at 170, exceeding my expectations nearly threefold. :^)

Welcome aboard. Let's pray that the list gets longer as November nears.

109 posted on 07/03/2012 9:03:23 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: MHGinTN
those who are working hard to get folks to vote third party ‘to teach the GOPe a lesson’...

You still aren't actually reading and comprehending posts -- unless you think that turning the wheel on a car to get it to turn right is the same as "teaching it a lesson."

You never fail to disappoint.

110 posted on 07/03/2012 9:14:00 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

Oh I get your ‘strategery’, I just believe you are trying to make it possible for the democrats to cheat and win the election, because only when it is close can the few million fabricated votes throw the election. You either don’t believe that or don’t want that pointed out because it exposes the flaw in your ‘grand design for plurality’. Try a different insult, your alinskyesque smarm is not working.


111 posted on 07/03/2012 9:21:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: OneWingedShark; cripplecreek; Diogenesis

Scratch that 170 — miscounted; it’s actually 172. :^) We are in excellent company.


112 posted on 07/03/2012 9:26:55 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: MHGinTN
Man, you crack me up. Talk aboy "alinskyesque smarm"!

LOLOL!!!

You have water for guts.

113 posted on 07/03/2012 9:29:24 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Good post #68 - minus the “fault” part. I don’t think Conservatives are to blame for having a wealth of candidates to muddy the waters (some more conservative than others and none necessarily compelling on all counts). The game was rigged from the start. My state went for Santorum.

Now Palin (whom I do respect a great deal) is saying exactly what will happen should the Zero get in for another 4 and it’s called “fear mongering”. Denial is not just a ....well, you know the rest.


114 posted on 07/03/2012 10:11:44 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Melinda in TN

Great post #85. i agree completely. I’ll vote ANY one who can win versus O come November. I may have to take a shower afterwards, but I’ll do what I have to do to help save this country from another 4 years of the Thug in Residence. I couldn’t live with my conscience afterwards if Zero got in for another 4 years and I had treated this like just another election (it isn’t and those conservatives who haven’t figured that out yet need to do so quickly.)

No one on our side can afford to vote third party or sit home. No one. I get that this is distasteful to many but the old “I”ll NEVER vote for a RINO” mantra has to sit out on this one. There’s just too much on the line. And if that strikes some as “fear mongering” they really need to take an honest look around at what has happened since this cretin was elected. Did anyone REALLY believe 4 years would make such a horrible difference and we would have a lawless agitator in the White House?? Does any thinking person really maintain we can have another 4 years of this and recognize the nation when we’re done? I have principles too and any other election I wouldn’t vote RINO if given a choice, but there may not BE any other choice to slow this train down — and if we ever hope to have another decent President in the White House and live to fight another day we’d better realize we have to do what we must THIS time. There likely won’t be another chance to fix it.


115 posted on 07/03/2012 10:23:28 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree with you. There may be some here who genuinely like Romney, but I’m not one of them. Nevertheless I’ll vote Mickey Mouse if he has an “R” after his name this November — anyone who can win against the Zero (and whether we like it or not there is no viable third party option who can win this thing this time so it’s one of two choices).


116 posted on 07/03/2012 10:27:54 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Finny

There’s a huge difference between implementing something at the state level and incorporating a huge “one size fits all” system at the national. States can repeal what they do not like at that level. Witness the intrusion at the Fed. level.

He’s said he’ll work to institute free market options. Obama has said — ......


117 posted on 07/03/2012 10:31:31 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Finny

Fear, you bet. Only a fool wouldn’t be at this point — or someone with their head stuck so far in the sand they can’t see reality staring them in the face. Hysteria? Hardly. Reality? Absolutely.


118 posted on 07/03/2012 10:34:32 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: MHGinTN

It’s beyond interesting. It’s ridiculous. This is not the time to try to “teach the GOP a lesson” because it will backfire horribly. There’s not enough name recognition for a national election Tea Party candidate to win. IF we get the Zero out, that’s what we can all work on. But we have to have a country left in order to do so. I’ll vote for the guy who promises to undo the Zero’s madness, then I’ll hold his feet to the fire. There is far more hope in making sure Tea Party candidates win against RINO candidates in Senatorial and Congressional elections. Work on that and it will help tremendously. But not the office of the Pres. Not this time.


119 posted on 07/03/2012 10:38:44 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Innovative; EternalVigilance; RitaOK; svcw; Tennessee Nana; Mountain Mary; GailA; Windflier; ...
Innovative:

The "consequences" of actually electing your leftist POS posing as a "Republican" will be precisely the same tragic policies since Myth has NO CORE PRINCIPLES and wants only to be accepted by upper income snobbocrat leftist fashionables and LSM uberleftists. The only difference with Myth will be his compulsive protection of Muffy's trust funds, kissing the asses of the brainless Junior Leaguers and polo players, and of the increased profits of HIS corrupt Wall Street cronies (as opposed to Obozo's corrupt Wall Street cronies).

The mere nomination of your leftist POS Romney GUARANTEES the destruction of the USA and our freedoms since there will be NO MEANINGFUL MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE TO VOTE FOR. And, if your leftist sniveling POS Myth Romney is elected, that will be the end of the GOP as an effective opposition party. Read today's National Journal article on Real Clear Politics by Kraushear in which he quite credibly explains that your leftist POS Romney has already run up the white flag of surrender on Obozocare because he was its REAL father and like most leftist POS "GOP" candidates, his major fear in life is being criticized by the LSM. He better get used to the fact that he is no more capable of avoiding that criticism than was the last leftist POS McClain.

I am optimistic enough to firmly believe that no Romney love slave could possibly believe that he is any more worthy of election than is Obozo. So what is your real agenda since the stated one does not pass the smell test? Is it that, unless Myth is inaugurated, you lose that Myth for POTUS staff job and its attendant income and perks? That you are going to marry Muffy and want her trust fund to be bulletproof? That you ARE Muffy, etc. That you are a leftist posing as a "Republican" yourself and yearn for both parties to be xerox copies of one another in supporting social issue revolution, persecution of conservative churches, a policy of grabbing our national ankles for faggot everything, a mealy mouthed and spineless foreign policy, $$$ obsessiveness as to your $$$ and to hell with the American public, gun grabbing to disarm the peasants, continuation of ridiculous energy prices to farm the peasants for the mutual benefit of gummint and the corrupt Wall Street plutocracy, a desperate need to abandon any and all actually conservative principles as politically inconvenient???? Name your three favorite excuses from that list.

120 posted on 07/03/2012 11:15:33 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Fat chance!


121 posted on 07/03/2012 11:17:30 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Kickass Conservative; rogue yam; Innovative
You and Innovative and Rogue Yam and a handful of others are down on your knees worshiping your leftist POS posing as a "Republican" and slobbering all over him and his pals who funded his despicable campaign. Most here prefer to continue to have a GOP as at least a potential opposition party (which WILL NOT HAPPEN if your leftist POS posing as a "Republican" should, God forbid, be elected).

Myth Romney is whom you want. Myth Romney is whom you support. You ARE what you support.

KC: you really should change that screenname to KickassED "conservative," thereby making an honest fellow of yourself.

122 posted on 07/03/2012 11:29:58 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Finny

awoken is the past participle of awake. My wife is the language police but awoken is easy to google.


123 posted on 07/03/2012 11:41:48 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk

I don’t read rants. I did skim the part about “Romney love slave” though and the charge would be laughable if it weren’t so pathetic, but perhaps you just don’t read well. I haven’t seen many here advocating that he is a conservative and MOST (if not all) are lamenting the choice they have to make. Pay attention before you accuse fellow FReepers of something of which they are not guilty.

To recap, since you apparently haven’t gotten the message yet: Vote for someone other than the two main party choices on election day, see the Zero get back in. Clear enough now?

(BTW, if you think it’s possible to get someone else in who’s more conservative at the convention, by all means do try. But in the end I won’t be voting third party regardless. There’s too much at stake.)That’s my position and no amount of flaming will make me change my mind.


124 posted on 07/03/2012 11:44:48 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: BlackElk; Jim Robinson

This is what Free Republic has become: thread after thread of lies, derangement, and abuse.

‘Tis a shame.


125 posted on 07/03/2012 11:45:20 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Derangement is right. WOW! Unreal the false accusations being hurled here: “worshipping Romney”?? Haven’t seen that happen, but I guess some live in an alternate universe. Guess some just can’t handle the cold hard facts. Reality check needed for some here.


126 posted on 07/03/2012 11:48:26 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: Finny

Finny, please add me to your list . . . if I’m not already there. Thanks!


127 posted on 07/03/2012 11:53:43 AM PDT by maryz
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To: JLLH; Finny
He’s said he’ll work to institute free market options.

IIRC, to Romney, RomneyCare is a "free market" solution. His definition of "free market" involves a lot more gov't control, subsidies, tax breaks, "public-private partnerships," etc. than your traditional free-marketer would!

128 posted on 07/03/2012 12:03:23 PM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

Feel free to show me where we have a choice other than candidate “R” (whoever that is come November) on election day if we want to survive as a nation. I’ll take the guy who SAYS he’ll do the conservative thing over the guy who promises he’ll take us further down this road to full-fledged lawless abandonment of the Constitution. Common sense solution. Third party candidates cannot win in November. Maybe in 4 more years, but if O gets back in it’ll be a moot point.

We can work with someone who’s made the promise to give us free market solutions. Not so with a tyrant who has already promised more fed. control over our lives. Anyone who thinks the past 4 years have been bad haven’t seen what the O has planned for the next 4 should he get in again (God forbid!) Now is not the time to stay home and pout.


129 posted on 07/03/2012 12:09:31 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH
I’ll take the guy who SAYS he’ll do the conservative thing . . .

. . . even if it's a guy who apparently neither knows nor cares what "the conservative thing" is. OK. I'm clear on your position.

130 posted on 07/03/2012 12:19:53 PM PDT by maryz
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To: rogue yam; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; Finny; RitaOK; Dr. Sivana
If that upsets you, stop lying, stop being deranged and stop being abusive of actual conservatives who know better than to support UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES a leftist social revolutionary POS like Myth Romney. If the truth hurts you, tooooooo bad. Wait and see what happens if the Myth Romney ideological twin of Obozo gets elected. Lay in a GBIG supply of asbestos undies for each and every time Myth makes ANY policy decision since you will be responsible for whatever the POS does.

My beating up on Romney and his love slaves is a small price for you to suffer for supporting a man who persecutes the Roman Catholic Church (just like Obozo) and each and every other pro-life and socially conservative church. Muffy and her trust fund and Myth's Wall Street financier cronies can go straight to hell.

The "shame" is that folks like you refuse to RESIST and yet hallucinate that you are somehow "conservative." Your beloved sow's ear is not and NEVER WILL BE a silk purse.

Why don't you go over to DU or HP where clearly you belong given your acceptance of the Obozo/Romney premises? Whose payroll are you on? Does it REALLY bother you or surprise you that members of a conservative website are in sync with one another and with JimRob as proprietor of the website???

Finally, as Truman observed: If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen!

131 posted on 07/03/2012 12:41:07 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: rogue yam

Here’s the shame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU&feature=player_embedded


132 posted on 07/03/2012 12:47:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JLLH
I do not care what you (or Romney for that matter) SAY. I care what you do. If you vote for Obozo OR for Romney, you are whom and what you vote for. You support Romney. Expect to be held responsible.

If you support Romney (or Obozo) in any way, shape or form, you ARE guilty of each and every crime he commits and has committed against Western Civilization. I don't personally give a shit which one of these tyrants may win. Obozo = Romney = Moloch = Obozo = Romney. It does not matter in the slightest. They are two of a kind whether you blind yourself to that in order to serve the leftist cowards of the GOP-E or not. CLEAR ENOUGH, NOW????

You don't suppose that your militant support for Myth Romney makes REALLY unlikely your claims to have been opposed to his candidacy? We have plenty of poorly informed terrified cowards in American politics. We don't need more. We need warriors and I guess that won't be you.

YOU ARE WHOM and WHAT you vote for. CLEAR ENOUGH NOW???

133 posted on 07/03/2012 12:53:43 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: rogue yam; BlackElk; jimrob
This is what Free Republic has become: thread after thread of lies, derangement, and abuse.

You do realize that the pro-Romney people have been far more aggressive on this than the anti-Romney folks. BlackElk, for instance, does not start threads. So, his responses are just that.

On one recent occasion, I started a thread, where my "on the side statement" that I was not voting for Romney was mostly as a matter of full disclousure, even as I was providing him with honest advice to convince folks he would truly undo Obamacare.

Here is the complete text. It is short:

I am not voting for Romney, though I understand those who are.

That said, NOW is the time to change his phrasing from "I will work to repeal and replace Obamacare from Day One" (which means nothing) to actions more specific than merely agreeing to sign off on a passed bill that repeals Obamacare.

Example of rhetoric, "You want executive orders, Mr. President? You've got'em.

#1. The Sebellius rule manadating abortion and birth control coverage is Gone-zo.

#2. Anyone who wants a waiver has got one. (credit to rottndog)

#3. The centralized database is suspended, so we can prioritize those records that are commiting crimes and dealing drugs.

#4. The IRS will have to get its job done with 60% of the present workforce. Implementing Obamacare is not on their priority list.

etc.

And my first followup:

You get the idea. Unfortunately, Romney cannot do it. Cain or Palin or Gingrich could have.

Now, do you see a lie, derangement or even a hint of abuse?

But you are right. The lies, derangement and abuse comes in the thread. Pretty much started by the Romney supporters. Jdge for yourself. To your credit, Rogue Yam, you did not join in.

The thread is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2900559/posts

I am going to list a snippet of the contentfree responses I received. I can take insults. Bare insults without an argument to back it up is sad.

you are what is wrong with this fine country of mine.

What you consider to be principle is nothing more than petulance and pride.

Please just go away and quit supporting 0Bama by your 1/2 vote.

Hmmm...rather un American statement....but to each his own

Your lame uttering is meaningless. You're an enemy of freedom, go away.

Then you are an enemy of the United States.

Go and hang out in the DUmp instead of here on FR. Dumbass!

How dare you? You should be relentlessly ridiculed and forced to run away with your tail between your legs.

You’re an 1d1ot. NEXT....



You get the idea. Every single one of those responses could have just as easily applied to JimRob's position. What's more, I wasn't even trying to rub the Romney supporters' nose in anything. I was merely suggesting that Romney has to say exactly how he will repeal Obamacare other than putting his name on a repeal placed on his desk by the Congress. Obama has shown a willingness to use presidential powers to push his agenda. What explicitly would Romney do, chapter and verse, as nobody wants to here a Clintonian "I never worked so hard on anything in my WHOLE LIFE." I thought it was a reasonable suggestion. I KNOW it was an honest one. Read the slams again. This ain't the FR I know. If you look at my return volleys, I do not sink to their level. BlackElk may use colorful language, but he uses it to frame positive assertions that are rarely rebutted, and he never starts the fight. His color does ot exceed the vituperation I received in an honest, and I thought, innocuolus post.

The seeds of dissent have been sown by Mitt Romney. He did it in the primary. He and his supporters are doing it now. Hold your nose and vote for him if you like. I understand. But DON'T act like the right wing version of a DUer.

134 posted on 07/03/2012 1:29:19 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: maryz; JLLH
Nope, you weren't on it, I guess I missed you! It's now up to 176.

And JL, Romney's definition of "free market options" is best interpreted in the context of his recent statement that while he thinks homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to get married, they should have the "right" to adopt children (a euphemism for forcing adoption agencies to accommodate homosexuals). In Mass., Catholic adoption agencies closed their doors after 109 years rather than relinquish innocent children entrusted to them to such depraved social engineering. So Romney's "free market options" are probably about as squirelly and illogical as his saying that gays shouldn't be able to get married but SHOULD be able force adoption agencies to let them adopt kids.

Romney is bad news for everybody. ABOers' votes "against" Obama are equally votes FOR making liberals more powerful on both sides of the aisle. That is what ABO is voting FOR.

135 posted on 07/03/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: BlackElk

Hotair.com has Erick Erickson’s column up , from redstate.com. I can’t post it from my cell phone. We have been thrown under the bus on ever repealing Obamacare. Acting to repeal is different from actually repealing anything. Voting to repeal is different from repealing. This is what I’ve said. The ear is for hearing the key words, or the absence of key words in Romney-speak. Please, can you post it? If not, I can later when I get off my cell. Thx.


136 posted on 07/03/2012 1:43:30 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

You have made a fairly reasonable post here, but I do disagree utterly with your main claim.

I read the thread you posted. Your OP was perfectly reasonable and on point, and I agree that some of the replies were a tad excessive and condemning.

However, the linked thread is not nearly sufficient evidence to substantiate your main claim.

To wit:

“You do realize that the pro-Romney people have been far more aggressive on this than the anti-Romney folks.”

The stuff posted to you on your other thread is warm, sweet milk compared to the standard fare offered up by the FR He-Man Mitt Haters Club.

I find the comparison to be risible in fact.


137 posted on 07/03/2012 1:48:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: BlackElk

Posers are who will be held accountable the day after elections if the Zero gets in for a second term. Expect to be held accountable if he does for those of us who did what we had to do to prevent it will not allow those who were too “pure” to vote with any semblance of common sense to forget for one second that they re-elected the Zero with their childish tantrums.

I don’t owe you or anyone else an explanation of why I consider the Zero a far greater threat to our way of life than anyone else could be. The fact is, if you haven’t gotten that message yet, you never will. Courage means doing what you have to do — even if it means doing something distasteful. Stop making ASSumptions about your fellow FReepers. You know next to nothing about them.

Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear recognize the truth. No one can help those who don’t.

CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU NOW?????


138 posted on 07/03/2012 2:26:58 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: Finny

Those who vote ABR will be re-electing the Zero. No two ways about it. I wish things were different, but the facts state otherwise. We have a two party system, not three. If the Zero gets re-elected we’re not likely to ever get a third.

Those who think this is “hype” should ask themselves if they ever thought they would see the day that the biggest tax increase in the nation’s history would be shoved onto the American people with such a clear majority wanting nothing to do with it. Ask yourself if you ever thought you’d see the fed. government take over such large parts of our economy and ignore the Constitution whole-scale while doing exactly as they saw fit. Yes, we may have seen a few instances of this in recent Presidencies, but nothing like what has occurred in 3.5 years. Ask yourself that and then come back and tell me that Romney is still worse than the Zero. If you can do that, all evidence to the contrary, you truly are functioning in a different reality than the rest of us are.


139 posted on 07/03/2012 2:32:51 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: maryz

At least we’ll have a shot with Romney because there’s something there to work with. But for those who are ABR, I guess they figure the devil they know is better than another and they’d rather 4 more years of evil incarnate. OK — not much to go on and will surely sink this country faster than the sinking of the Titanic, but I’m clear on your position now.


140 posted on 07/03/2012 2:36:32 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

I will never cast a vote FOR an abortionist/homosexualist/statist like Romney for president.


141 posted on 07/03/2012 2:36:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Then get ready for the gulags, and loss of freedom on a massive scale never before seen in this country (and double what has occurred in the past 3.5 years). Good luck with that. For myself, I’ll NEVER REFUSE to do what I must to help save this country.


142 posted on 07/03/2012 2:38:47 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH; Jim Robinson
Then get ready for the gulags, and loss of freedom on a massive scale never before seen in this country ....

Where have we heard that before? Weren't people promising that in 2008 if Obama won? Wasn't Obama Hysteria predicting martial law and suspension of the 2010 mid-terms? You may have forgotten all that hysteria, but I remember it well. If Obama was that powerful, don't you think he'd have done the gulags, etc., by now? What is stopping him now that wouldn't be stopping him with Congress even more empowered by conservative Republicans and himself in office on a plurality (that's what a third party vote is FOR -- a plurality) where a clear majority of Americans voted against him?

You are letting blind fear manipulate you into risking a landslide majority sanction for the destruction of this country under the "R" banner. An authoritarian statist by any other name is still a an authoritarian statist, and Romney's record CONFIRMS his status as an authoritarian statist. That is a hard, cold fact. Your vote for Romney will be a vote FOR government tyranny, not "against" gulags, etc.

The problem JL, is that a Romney landslide, which ABO risks in a very big way, would in no way "help" this country. STOP obsessing over Obama and START pondering the real world consequences of Romney. LOOK AT HIS RECORD. Romney has long advanced and promoted everything that is part of the problem. Just because he's not Obama and not outspoken in his contempt for the Constitution, doesn't mean he isn't every bit as lethal an agent of government tyranny.

143 posted on 07/03/2012 3:19:12 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Finny

And if the Zero gets in for another 4 years — with the knowledge that he doesn’t have to reign in any of his totalitarian impulses because he won’t be running again — do you REALLY think he’s going to be better than R.??? SERIOUSLY???

I think you’re laboring under a couple of misconceptions here: #1 that most on this board are advocating voting for Romney because they really like the guy (not true) and think he’s a staunch conservative (most don’t think that) and #2 that this is just another election and we can later fix whatever the Zero has in mind for us if he gets in again (don’t bet on it). HIS history shows that he has already accomplished in 3.5 years what some of the most RINO presidents we have had to date never even considered. I would FAR rather have a RINO in office that we can toss out in 4 years than a tyrannical despot who has no respect for the law and maybe won’t even leave if re-elected — EVER!!

I’ll repeat: anyone who thinks all of this is hysteria, fear mongering, etc... hasn’t been paying attention over the last 3.5 years. The Zero has done MUCH of what it was warned he would do. The idea that he would continue to do so if re-elected but at full tilt with no checks and balances to stop him should surprise NO ONE who hasn’t been asleep.


144 posted on 07/03/2012 3:28:39 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

Better a term in the gulags than an eternity in hell. I don’t see Romney as a savior for the country anyway. Government mandated/forced leftist programs (like RomneyCare, for example) are not exactly my idea of free-market capitalism. Or of freedom. Government mandated (forced) RomneyCare is every bit as anti-liberty and anti-American as ObamaCare. Abortion, homo-marriage, homos in the military, etc, likewise. Romney is no conservative, never has been, never will be. Has no concept of “free-markets” or freedom. Claims RomneyCare is free-market. If it’s free-market why does it require government to force it on the people and fines (or tax penalties) against the formerly free citizens who don’t go along with his tyranny? And he’s still pushing this nonsense. Very little difference between his leftist mandated programs and his progressive abortionist/homosexualist/statist positions and Obama’s.

And it’s already started. I see Republicans now softening their positions on these issues already and he’s not even elected yet. Some are now trying to justify mandated socialist programs like RomneyCare as not so bad. Pam Bondi, for example, now claims RomneyCare is good healthcare and it would be a good thing for most states to adopt similar programs. And she proudly boasts that will be serving on Romney’s new National Healthcare Task Force. And some are trying to justify his positions on homosexuals adopting children, serving in the military, marrying, etc. Won’t be long until they’re clamoring to drop the pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun planks from the platform. After all, “Reagan was for abortion.” Right. Constitutionally limited government is already gone (thanks to “conservatives” like Chief Justice Roberts).

The camel’s head is in the tent. His ass ain’t far behind.

10 seconds until the Romney pushers start claiming I’m an O-bot.


145 posted on 07/03/2012 3:29:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: JLLH; EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson; RitaOK; shibumi; Dr. Sivana; Windflier; GailA; Finny
I will match my conservative movement resume against yours anytime. Start with I have never for a moment considered voting for a leftist POS like Romney much less used the hackneyed old line of how Myth REALLY was not whom you preferred but, well, what choice do you have. If you happen to be male, one choice would be to ACT LIKE A MAN and refuse to back your leftist POS love object.

As one of many examples, I was a Reagan state chairman when he challenged a sorry POS almost Romney's equal: Gerald Ford. You weren't.

Carter's election gave us Reagan four years later. I am ashamed to say that I voted for Ford and Dole and McCain as three examples of gross electoral malpractice in 44 years of voting for each and every GOP nominee including the various POS candidates who have become the norm. I've learned. No despicable leftist POS posing as a "Republican" will get my vote on any level EVER again.

I have gotten your message and that of the relative handful of your allies here. You are a craven coward, hiding in a Romney foxhole and hoping not to be noticed by the big guys who actually fight the ideological wars. There you are: whimpering, weeping, incoherent, not a shred of principle to your name and getting downright indignant that the conservatives won't be caught dead or alive joining you in your particular chosen pit of hell.

CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU NOW???? Frankly, whether it is or not, I don't really give a rat's patoot (there I go again talking about your candidate and love object). I would not be caught dead or alive being allied with any mere internet poster willing to support your beloved baby-killing, marriage destroying, gun grabbing, church persecuting sorry SOB. OHHHH, but Myth is not Obozo!!!!! What a sorry standard for anyone posing as conservative!!!

To hold ANYONE responsible for ANYTHING, you must be able to credibly stand upon some sort of principle which the person held responsible must credibly have accepted and violated. Good luck!

I stand on conservative principle, conservative practice, the social issue principles of the Roman Catholic Church (and many other churches), Western Civilization, the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution as written, the Second Amendment RTKBA which is NOT to be even infringed, freedom of morally permissible contract (cannot hire a Mafia hitman to kill an adult or an abortionist to kill obviously innocent babies), Defense of Marriage as between one MAN and one WOMAN, the obvious principle that citizens are not to be tax farmed to support the lifestyles of Myth's or Obozo's upper class cronies through programs like the GM takeover or TARP. etc.

How about you? What PRINCIPLES will you hold me responsible for which you demonstrably hold dear other than fear and loathing of Obozo who is not meaningfully worse than your love object Myth Romney. What is your basis for holding ANY CONSERVATIVE responsible for anything??? Wouldn't that be like Saul Alinsky holding Friedrich von Hayek or Ludwig von Mises responsible for being less capitalist than he???

Is that CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU AND ANY OTHER ROMNEY LOVE SLAVE NOW?????

146 posted on 07/03/2012 3:32:28 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Jim Robinson

C’mon, Jim. You’re just a Romney-hater (translation “Mormon-hater”). It’s the new race card.


147 posted on 07/03/2012 3:34:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Voting for Romney won’t send anyone to hell (only rejecting Christ can do that), but that’s a different conversation for a different forum.

We are agreed on one thing: I don’t see Romney as a “savior” either. No government official merits that title because government cannot save anyone. That’s a fundamental of conservative thought as well as a spiritual truth.

Having said that, electing a Repub. — even someone like Romney — WILL slow the slide to becoming the old USSR (and no, for the record, I don’t like him and would never have chosen him as a candidate and was very upset he has come out - apparently - as the officially endorsed Republican candidate). I haven’t softened my conservative stance on anything, but I recognize — as I would hope and pray every thinking conservative would do — that the current inhabitant of the White House MUST be removed from office — come hell or high water. The Tea Party is simply not powerful enough (yet!) to elect and push a different candidate on the national election with any degree of success. For Congress and Senate state elections during primaries, yes — but not on a national election. For that reason, most of us will do what we must to keep a second term from the Zero. I would rather have ANYONE than that creature for the simple reason that ANYONE would be far better than that despot!


148 posted on 07/03/2012 3:40:12 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: BlackElk
That's our kinda stuff!

(Standing and cheering and firing my Ruger Vaqueros into the ceiling, ala St. Crispian's Day Speech in "Tombstone")

149 posted on 07/03/2012 3:42:37 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: RitaOK; Dr. Sivana
I am a technological illiterate. To me the computer is just a typewriter that does not require ink to communicate over the internet. I would love to accommodate you but I will ask Dr. Sivana, my far more savvy computer expert to post the Erick Erickson column from today's Hotair.

God bless.

150 posted on 07/03/2012 3:46:52 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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