Skip to comments.Santorum: Romneycare 'hasn't worked in Mass'- 'voting for Romney over Obama a clear choice for me'
Posted on 06/30/2012 2:43:06 PM PDT by Innovative
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I will never cast a vote FOR an abortionist/homosexualist/statist like Romney for president.
Then get ready for the gulags, and loss of freedom on a massive scale never before seen in this country (and double what has occurred in the past 3.5 years). Good luck with that. For myself, I’ll NEVER REFUSE to do what I must to help save this country.
Where have we heard that before? Weren't people promising that in 2008 if Obama won? Wasn't Obama Hysteria predicting martial law and suspension of the 2010 mid-terms? You may have forgotten all that hysteria, but I remember it well. If Obama was that powerful, don't you think he'd have done the gulags, etc., by now? What is stopping him now that wouldn't be stopping him with Congress even more empowered by conservative Republicans and himself in office on a plurality (that's what a third party vote is FOR -- a plurality) where a clear majority of Americans voted against him?
You are letting blind fear manipulate you into risking a landslide majority sanction for the destruction of this country under the "R" banner. An authoritarian statist by any other name is still a an authoritarian statist, and Romney's record CONFIRMS his status as an authoritarian statist. That is a hard, cold fact. Your vote for Romney will be a vote FOR government tyranny, not "against" gulags, etc.
The problem JL, is that a Romney landslide, which ABO risks in a very big way, would in no way "help" this country. STOP obsessing over Obama and START pondering the real world consequences of Romney. LOOK AT HIS RECORD. Romney has long advanced and promoted everything that is part of the problem. Just because he's not Obama and not outspoken in his contempt for the Constitution, doesn't mean he isn't every bit as lethal an agent of government tyranny.
And if the Zero gets in for another 4 years — with the knowledge that he doesn’t have to reign in any of his totalitarian impulses because he won’t be running again — do you REALLY think he’s going to be better than R.??? SERIOUSLY???
I think you’re laboring under a couple of misconceptions here: #1 that most on this board are advocating voting for Romney because they really like the guy (not true) and think he’s a staunch conservative (most don’t think that) and #2 that this is just another election and we can later fix whatever the Zero has in mind for us if he gets in again (don’t bet on it). HIS history shows that he has already accomplished in 3.5 years what some of the most RINO presidents we have had to date never even considered. I would FAR rather have a RINO in office that we can toss out in 4 years than a tyrannical despot who has no respect for the law and maybe won’t even leave if re-elected — EVER!!
I’ll repeat: anyone who thinks all of this is hysteria, fear mongering, etc... hasn’t been paying attention over the last 3.5 years. The Zero has done MUCH of what it was warned he would do. The idea that he would continue to do so if re-elected but at full tilt with no checks and balances to stop him should surprise NO ONE who hasn’t been asleep.
Better a term in the gulags than an eternity in hell. I don’t see Romney as a savior for the country anyway. Government mandated/forced leftist programs (like RomneyCare, for example) are not exactly my idea of free-market capitalism. Or of freedom. Government mandated (forced) RomneyCare is every bit as anti-liberty and anti-American as ObamaCare. Abortion, homo-marriage, homos in the military, etc, likewise. Romney is no conservative, never has been, never will be. Has no concept of “free-markets” or freedom. Claims RomneyCare is free-market. If it’s free-market why does it require government to force it on the people and fines (or tax penalties) against the formerly free citizens who don’t go along with his tyranny? And he’s still pushing this nonsense. Very little difference between his leftist mandated programs and his progressive abortionist/homosexualist/statist positions and Obama’s.
And it’s already started. I see Republicans now softening their positions on these issues already and he’s not even elected yet. Some are now trying to justify mandated socialist programs like RomneyCare as not so bad. Pam Bondi, for example, now claims RomneyCare is good healthcare and it would be a good thing for most states to adopt similar programs. And she proudly boasts that will be serving on Romney’s new National Healthcare Task Force. And some are trying to justify his positions on homosexuals adopting children, serving in the military, marrying, etc. Won’t be long until they’re clamoring to drop the pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun planks from the platform. After all, “Reagan was for abortion.” Right. Constitutionally limited government is already gone (thanks to “conservatives” like Chief Justice Roberts).
The camel’s head is in the tent. His ass ain’t far behind.
10 seconds until the Romney pushers start claiming I’m an O-bot.
As one of many examples, I was a Reagan state chairman when he challenged a sorry POS almost Romney's equal: Gerald Ford. You weren't.
Carter's election gave us Reagan four years later. I am ashamed to say that I voted for Ford and Dole and McCain as three examples of gross electoral malpractice in 44 years of voting for each and every GOP nominee including the various POS candidates who have become the norm. I've learned. No despicable leftist POS posing as a "Republican" will get my vote on any level EVER again.
I have gotten your message and that of the relative handful of your allies here. You are a craven coward, hiding in a Romney foxhole and hoping not to be noticed by the big guys who actually fight the ideological wars. There you are: whimpering, weeping, incoherent, not a shred of principle to your name and getting downright indignant that the conservatives won't be caught dead or alive joining you in your particular chosen pit of hell.
CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU NOW???? Frankly, whether it is or not, I don't really give a rat's patoot (there I go again talking about your candidate and love object). I would not be caught dead or alive being allied with any mere internet poster willing to support your beloved baby-killing, marriage destroying, gun grabbing, church persecuting sorry SOB. OHHHH, but Myth is not Obozo!!!!! What a sorry standard for anyone posing as conservative!!!
To hold ANYONE responsible for ANYTHING, you must be able to credibly stand upon some sort of principle which the person held responsible must credibly have accepted and violated. Good luck!
I stand on conservative principle, conservative practice, the social issue principles of the Roman Catholic Church (and many other churches), Western Civilization, the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution as written, the Second Amendment RTKBA which is NOT to be even infringed, freedom of morally permissible contract (cannot hire a Mafia hitman to kill an adult or an abortionist to kill obviously innocent babies), Defense of Marriage as between one MAN and one WOMAN, the obvious principle that citizens are not to be tax farmed to support the lifestyles of Myth's or Obozo's upper class cronies through programs like the GM takeover or TARP. etc.
How about you? What PRINCIPLES will you hold me responsible for which you demonstrably hold dear other than fear and loathing of Obozo who is not meaningfully worse than your love object Myth Romney. What is your basis for holding ANY CONSERVATIVE responsible for anything??? Wouldn't that be like Saul Alinsky holding Friedrich von Hayek or Ludwig von Mises responsible for being less capitalist than he???
Is that CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU AND ANY OTHER ROMNEY LOVE SLAVE NOW?????
C’mon, Jim. You’re just a Romney-hater (translation “Mormon-hater”). It’s the new race card.
Voting for Romney won’t send anyone to hell (only rejecting Christ can do that), but that’s a different conversation for a different forum.
We are agreed on one thing: I don’t see Romney as a “savior” either. No government official merits that title because government cannot save anyone. That’s a fundamental of conservative thought as well as a spiritual truth.
Having said that, electing a Repub. — even someone like Romney — WILL slow the slide to becoming the old USSR (and no, for the record, I don’t like him and would never have chosen him as a candidate and was very upset he has come out - apparently - as the officially endorsed Republican candidate). I haven’t softened my conservative stance on anything, but I recognize — as I would hope and pray every thinking conservative would do — that the current inhabitant of the White House MUST be removed from office — come hell or high water. The Tea Party is simply not powerful enough (yet!) to elect and push a different candidate on the national election with any degree of success. For Congress and Senate state elections during primaries, yes — but not on a national election. For that reason, most of us will do what we must to keep a second term from the Zero. I would rather have ANYONE than that creature for the simple reason that ANYONE would be far better than that despot!
(Standing and cheering and firing my Ruger Vaqueros into the ceiling, ala St. Crispian's Day Speech in "Tombstone")
You are coming unhinged. Please provide evidence in quotes where anyone said they “LOVED” Romney. I’ll wait, but I won’t hold my breath.
As for your “credentials” on being a conservative, methinks you protest too much. Those who have them don’t have to “prove” it, and those who don’t are usually the ones screaming the loudest in all caps throughout their rants while hurling insults at people they don’t even know. (Sound familiar?)
You know NOTHING about anyone here who has done what in the conservative field because you keep making assumptions based on no evidence whatsoever about your fellow FReepers. Get a clue! How about dealing with the FACTS and what people here have actually SAID about WHY they are voting for Romney if he’s the Republican candidate in November instead of hurling insults, and making up blatant lies without any facts to back them up? Guess that’s out of your league though. Oh well, there are none so blind as those who cannot see.
Well, that won't prove out long at the rate the Republicans are accepting leftist/progressive positions/programs like abortionism, homosexualism, gun control, amnesty, glo-bull warming, socialist healthcare and promoting lying progressive politicians claiming to be conservative, etc, etc, etc. Like I said, the camel is in the tent. The gooks are in the wire.
And THAT is why we have to hold their feet to the fire — nothing we have even the remotest chance of doing if the Zero gets in for a second term.
1. Just where do you come off with this "most of us" crap?
2. Since your love object Myth Romney is an enthusiastic mass babykiller, an enthusiastic marriage destroyer and faggot coddler, for two obvious examples, I would just love to be a fly on the wall of eternity when you arrive to be judged. If you cast an unrepented vote for Myth Romney, that will just have to be some argument you make to Christ as to why you have not rejected Him. While government cannot save your soul, endorsing a despicable babykilling, marriage destroying, church persecuting POS like Romney can certainly send you straight to hell. It does not look very likely that your repentance will be forthcoming only your stubborn rationalizations for evil, yours and Myth's. AND, supporting Myth wit the intention of later repentance is the serious sin of presumption.
We can do something to hold Obama’s feet to the fire that the Republicans will never do for us in Romney’s case: IMPEACH THE CORRUPT CRONY BASTARD!! And it’s really the only way you can hold a president’s feet to the fire.
Have no idea what you’re talking about re: #1
#2 - please feel free to provide Scriptural evidence for going to hell by voting for someone. Again, not holding my breath. Here’s tip for you, though: Your views do not trump Scripture, no matter how much you want them to do so. Show me where Scripture supports your comments that I will be going to Hell for voting for Romney. Thanks. (Again, I won’t hold my breath).
BTW, I have made no rationalizations for evil, but voluntarily voting in a way that will allow the Zero back in is as great a rationalization for that as I’ve ever seen. Good luck with that.
If it hasn’t happened so far, not likely to. Not without strong leaders as a majority in both houses of Congress — and I don’t see that on the horizon since true statesmen appear to be few and far between in today’s climate.
Since the conventions have not been held, just who are the two choices?
You ARE whom and what you vote for.
You don't have to try to pretend not to worship Romney here or play make believe conservative. We understand. You want Myth Romney to be POTUS so bad you can taste it. Why should you be committed to actual principle when you can elect a POS like Romney?
Don't bother to play act as a conservative if he is elected and continues the tyranny of Obozo only in whiteface as a "Republican."
Credentials??? Let's hear yours. I did not think so. Just a keyboard warrior eager to sell out his country and his party. Lifelong habits, no doubt.
You ARE whom and what you vote for. Either Obozo or Romney will be destroyed on election night in 2012. It matters not a bit which one is destroyed then. The other will be destroyed at leisure as we RESIST!!!
The going assumption is that Romney will be the candidate for the Republicans. I’m talking about November elections, not before. If you’ll read my previous posts you’ll see that. I would LOVE to see a real conservative come out of the convention (which I have also said my previous posts, but gee, I’m such a “Romney love slave” according to some, that I guess it just got lost in the shuffle/s.), but given the way things stand I’m not holding my breath. NOwhere did I discourage anyone from trying to replace Romney at the convention, but I am looking at things realistically and if his name is by the “R” and Obama’s is by the “D” on November 4, guess where my vote will go? (Hint: Not to a third party candidate).
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