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Unexpected turn in eligibility case: 'Put it on record!'
wnd ^ | 6/30/2012 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 06/30/2012 5:26:50 PM PDT by Brown Deer

Attorney Larry Klayman told WND he had expected an “uneventful” hearing in the ongoing case, which returned before Judge Terry Lewis yesterday, but instead found a legal tangle that he believes means Lewis will “have to make a decision, have to put it on record.”

“Lewis would have to reach a decision; he would have to put it on record,” Klayman said. “By amending for declaratory relief, we’re pulling the rug right out from Obama and the Florida secretary of state.”

“This judge can’t get out from under his legal requirement,” Klayman said. “If he screws around, he’s violating law.”

Still, he said, “I want Lewis to address the issue of eligibility and create a record, so we can take it up before the election. I’m still confident, hopeful that will happen.”

There is credible evidence indicating that this electronically produced birth certificate is entirely fraudulent or otherwise altered. No physical, paper copy of the actual long form birth certificate has been produced in order to definitively establish Barack Hussein Obama’s birth within the United States.

The plaintiff has submitted affidavits from Arpaio and others to support the claim.

When asked by Judge Lewis, Klayman confirmed he could add to the complaint details of the evidence Obama was not born in the U.S.

Klayman referred to a recent Obama order to underscore the significance of the Founders’ desire that the president not have divided loyalties or “not even a hint of foreign influence.”

“Just a few days ago, he issued an executive order … which in effect allows illegal alien students who came into this country … to remain in this country. … The president’s own father was in fact here on a student visa and ultimately was deported because that visa expired.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; eligibilty; florida; naturalborncitizen; obama; usurper
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1 posted on 06/30/2012 5:26:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Brown Deer

Leon County designated this as a high profile case so that the progress and pleadings can be reviewed online:

http://www.clerk.leon.fl.us/index.php?section=205&server=cvweb&page=cvimage/high_profile/index.asp


2 posted on 06/30/2012 5:28:45 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; Plummz; ...


Klayman originally filed the challenge to Obama’s eligibility for the ballot on behalf of Michael Voeltz, who identifies himself as “a registered member of the Democratic Party, voter and taxpayer in Broward County.”

“Lewis would have to reach a decision; he would have to put it on record,” Klayman said. “By amending for declaratory relief, we’re pulling the rug right out from Obama and the Florida secretary of state.”

Klayman told WND Obama’s lawyers immediately went into a tailspin and filed to have the amendment for declaratory relief stricken, which the judge granted, arguing he wanted to wait to issue a formal decision in the case.

But Klayman said his team is willing to file a stand-alone complaint for declaratory relief with Lewis as soon as next week and “pull the rug out from under him, too.”

3 posted on 06/30/2012 5:28:58 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

I’m sorry, but after this week, how can anyone think this Supreme Court would find that Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen?

They’d be more likely to say he’s exempt from the 8-year term limit than to say he’s ineligible to be President.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 5:33:13 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Brown Deer

Popcorn, popcorn,.......definitely gonna need more popcorn for this one...


5 posted on 06/30/2012 5:36:07 PM PDT by contrarian (We don't need NO stinkin birf certificate--we are the EMPEROR !!)
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To: Brown Deer
But Klayman said his team is willing to file a stand-alone complaint for declaratory relief with Lewis as soon as next week and “pull the rug out from under him, too.”

Well I certainly hope the judge doesn't read this on the internet. This kind of statement wouldn't exactly endear Klayman to the judge.

6 posted on 06/30/2012 5:42:25 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: Bratch

SCOTUS has already ruled that Obama is not eligible but can still be President because he is a TAX


7 posted on 06/30/2012 5:44:26 PM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: Bratch

Exactly. No way in h e doublehockeysticks is milquetoast roberts going to make such a decision. Even if Obama admitted he was born in Kenya at prime time on CBS, Roberts would find a way to make him eligible. After all, if a something can be both a tax and not a tax at the same time, then a person can be born in Kenya AND Hawaii at the same time.


8 posted on 06/30/2012 5:46:12 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ( Romney blows with the political winds, Obama just blows.)
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To: Brown Deer
"Klayman told WND Obama’s lawyers immediately went into a tailspin and filed to have the amendment for declaratory relief stricken, which the judge granted, arguing he wanted to wait to issue a formal decision in the case."

Interesting reaction.

9 posted on 06/30/2012 5:47:24 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: DrDude

LoL.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 5:47:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Bratch

We need to have all this stuff recorded regardless of whether or not it is acted on or not by the courts.

Who knows what the future holds.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 5:49:30 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Agree with this. Get it into the record no matter what.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 5:53:27 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Smokeyblue
We need to have all this stuff recorded regardless of whether or not it is acted on or not by the courts.

Agreed.

They know they're scumbags and we know they're scumbags let the future know they're scumbags. ;-)

You can't ever win by giving up.

13 posted on 06/30/2012 5:54:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: esquirette

Well, Larry, now that you’ve broadcast to the world how important it is, the Judge is going to give you the shaft, just to stay out of trouble with his cocktail party friends. Good work keeping the old trap shut. Just like old times, Larry....good times...


14 posted on 06/30/2012 5:55:01 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Smokeyblue

All that will do is provide a precedent.

Do you want to see President Arnold Schwarzenegger?


15 posted on 06/30/2012 5:57:10 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Brown Deer

“If he screws around, he’s violating law.”

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And you think that leaves the judge with sleepless nights?


16 posted on 06/30/2012 5:58:14 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Brown Deer

We all know Obama is probably illegal in one way or another. This matter should be dealt with and Obama should be relieved of his duties as POTUS.


17 posted on 06/30/2012 5:59:31 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 353FMG

Judges don’t violate the law, they write it.

Does someone actually think we have a Constitution?


18 posted on 06/30/2012 6:05:15 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Bratch

It’s already a precedent.

Besides, we don’t actually even know if Obama is even a citizen.

Despite the fact that lawlessness has taken over these past four years, it doesn’t negate the Constitution.

There has been no Constitutional Amendment.

Roberts be damned. He’s not a black-robed king.

He can be removed according to the Constitution.


19 posted on 06/30/2012 6:08:41 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Brown Deer

Evidently that’s what judges do, and do well, is violate the law.


20 posted on 06/30/2012 6:12:14 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: Brown Deer

sfl


21 posted on 06/30/2012 6:13:19 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Brown Deer

The communists machine probably already have this covered. A huge waste of time since we no longer follow Constitutional law. America is in real trouble and no way out.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 6:36:46 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Brown Deer
/If he screws around, he is violating the Law. . ./

Is he a Democrat?

23 posted on 06/30/2012 6:37:33 PM PDT by cricket (Narcissism IS the 'heart' of Liberalism . . .)
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To: contrarian

Sorry. Popcorn on back order. Ran out while SCOTUS deliberating ObamaTax.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 6:45:25 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Brown Deer

Regardless of the facts, Judge Lewis will be given an offer he can’t refuse. If 0bama and his gang can intimidate The Chief Justice, then a state judge is definitely no problem.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 6:46:05 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that bastard out of MY White House!")
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To: Cyber Liberty

What? He’s using Obama’s tactic of biatch-slapping the courts before getting an agreeable decision. Obama did this to SCOTUS during the SOTU address, then a couple times more in the days prior to their Obamacare decision. This apparently works.. Go figure.


26 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:37 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Logical me

27 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:37 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ( Romney blows with the political winds, Obama just blows.)
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To: HerrBlucher

“After all, if a something can be both a tax and not a tax at the same time, then a person can be born in Kenya AND Hawaii at the same time.”

Quote of the day!


28 posted on 06/30/2012 6:54:02 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: cricket
Judge Terry Lewis as was appointed to the Leon County district court in 1998 by Democratic Gov. Lawton Chiles. However, he did once rule in favor of Bush in a ballot challenge case in Florida during the Bush vs. Gore fiasco.

My spidey sense tells me he's stringing Klayman along until we get closer to the election then vindicates Obama to give him more electable street cred.

29 posted on 06/30/2012 6:56:50 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Bratch

Arnie S would be an improvement over Bama Oop. Big A loves America.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 6:58:56 PM PDT by jayrunner
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To: faucetman

31 posted on 06/30/2012 7:00:53 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Red Steel

This judge is jerking Klayman around. I’m glad Klayman is fighting back.

http://obamaballotchallenge.com/report-on-voeltz-v-obama-teleconference-hearing-today

From the comment section:

“the judge hinted of giving leave, then pulled the rug out from under Larry. Larry returned the favor and will file another complaint.”


32 posted on 06/30/2012 7:05:58 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Bratch
>"Do you want to see President Arnold Schwarzenegger?"

Hopefully without Skeletor.

33 posted on 06/30/2012 7:13:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Brown Deer

“But Klayman said his team is willing to file a stand-alone complaint for declaratory relief with Lewis as soon as next week and “pull the rug out from under him, too.”

I don’t get this......how will this strategy allow Klayman to ‘pull the rug out from under Lewis’ ???

Too many gaps here....can you fill me in on this, please?


34 posted on 06/30/2012 7:14:58 PM PDT by Be Careful
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To: faucetman

Hawaii, Afreekkkah, they’re both islands. One’s a little bigger than the other.


35 posted on 06/30/2012 7:16:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Look this judge is going to rule against us like all the other traitorous judges.

I hope Klayman continues to give verbal shots and smack downs where he can.

All the ass-kissing these traitors require as they strangle our country should cease.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 7:18:39 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Uncle Sam died long ago, and the country has been following.
By the way, he is one of my ancestors (Troy, NY 1812).


37 posted on 06/30/2012 7:22:09 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Be Careful

My understanding follows:

The judge is trying to delay this case saying nothing can be done until Obama is OFFICIALLY the Democrat nominee. There will be no time to get him off the ballot months from now.

Same garbage as last time. The “you’re too early....you’re too late” game.

Klayman states that Florida law requires the judge make a ruling now if he requests declaratory relief which the judge does NOT want to do. He doesn’t want to make a ruling but he will have to.

Even if the judge rules against us it will at least give the case time for appeal to higher courts.


38 posted on 06/30/2012 7:27:17 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: ChildOfThe60s

if the Constitution can be proven to be in breach...

then ALL laws are void, as their authority stems from the Constitution

whoops...

maybe, juuuuust maybe ... they should take care fo this mess before people understand what i just wrote and the whole legal system collapses due to lack of foundation


39 posted on 06/30/2012 7:29:45 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Brown Deer

Ha, this day and time what does the law matter? We make up the rules as we go along; that is what the elites do.


40 posted on 06/30/2012 7:32:18 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

CaLvInBaLl!


41 posted on 06/30/2012 7:33:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Smokeyblue

Thanks for the explanation.

This whole thing has such a supernatural cloud that defies any logic.

It really does seem to lie in the realm of principalities.


42 posted on 06/30/2012 8:02:08 PM PDT by Be Careful
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To: Brown Deer

I have a feeling that I will want to find this at a later date!


43 posted on 06/30/2012 8:19:04 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most offensive President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: sten

- The courts have been allowed to assume more power than intended in the Constitution. Obviously, all three branches of the government have assumed considerably more power than permitted by the Constitution, but I mean in proportion to the other two.

- IMO, the liberal congress of (how many decades?) has facilitated this as a way of accomplishing what they couldn’t do in the legislature.

- The courts have then allowed the executive branch to literally run amok, while at the same time the congress has abdicated its duties by delegating all manner of what should be *only* a congressional duty to bureaucratic regulatory agencies run by....the executive branch.

- When citizens can be arrested, prosecuted, imprisoned and properties confiscated on the basis of “regulations” written by unelected bureaucrats that have the force of legitimate legislatively passed laws, we have ceased to be a representative republic. Sadly, our republic (at least as envisioned by our founders) has been on life support for decades. I would go so far as to say the republic died some time ago. What has happened in the last three years is probably more accurately described as rotting of a corpse that most people didn’t realize was dead. Sort of like the movie Weekend at Bernies. Make the weekend 3 years and substitute the republic for Bernie.

Sadly, I am thinking that we should realize the despotic nightmare of Obama is not so much a temporary detour, but more the logical outcome of the last 40 years. In the early 70’s I argued with professors that we were heading to just where we are now. Politically and economically. For the most part I was dismissed. It sucks being right sometimes.


44 posted on 06/30/2012 8:35:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Bratch

>>> I’m sorry, but after this week, how can anyone think this Supreme Court would find that Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen? They’d be more likely to say he’s exempt from the 8-year term limit than to say he’s ineligible to be President.

I think this is why i’m so depressed now... because i would have to agree with you.

If the Supreme Court is incapable of defending this nation against something as blatantly unconstitutional as Obamacare, then Donald Duck himself could survive an eligibility challenge.

I am starting to look forward to the pain and misery this country is going to have to suffer because it has become so complacent. I truly hope Roberts is happy with himself, and I hope he sleeps well at night in 2013 when the bottom falls out.


45 posted on 06/30/2012 9:26:38 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Brown Deer

The law is whatever the Devil wants it to be.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 9:33:19 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HerrBlucher
"Roberts would find a way to make him eligible."

Roberts already has. Obama told everyone on his own web site, “fightthesmears.com”, that he, Obama, is a naturalized citizen, and Roberts administered the oath of office. One cannot honor, defend, and protect the Constitution while violating one of its articles. For those who believe the talking point “But it was never defined in the Constitution,” read Mark Levin's book Liberty and Tyranny, p37, where Madison explains why definitions were not included in the Constitution (the meanings of words change with time, thus interpretations must be based upon the language and common-law familiar to its framers).

Chances are there was an agreement, one which Roberts apparently had some difficulty executing given his three trys to get the oath right. But since every Senator knew, and signed his/her agreement with Judge Michael Chertoff (“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.”), Roberts knew. Probably, he decided that if Congress wanted to elect a Constitutionally ineligible president, the court didn't have standing to object.

Roberts had an obligation to preserve and protect, and had “Original Jurisdiction” from Article III Section 2 since presidential eligibility concerns a public minister. Roberts showed who he was when he administered the oath of office to Obama, who declared himself to be a naturalized citizen, based upon the 14th Amendment, which amendment is a naturalization amendment, and doesn't touch the definition of natural born citizens. Its author, judge and Congressman John Bingham, confirmed the Marshall/Vattel definition, "born on the soil to citizen parents", in his two addresses to the House in 1866. Obama has challenged Article II Section 1 quite openly, never claiming natural born citizenship, but knowing neither party would challenge, and knowing the media would work to suppress honest legal analysis.

47 posted on 06/30/2012 9:43:10 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Brown Deer
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

48 posted on 07/01/2012 12:27:25 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Smokeyblue

Here is what confounds me.
Forget the Birth Cetificate.
Suppose 0bamatax was only 25 years old!
The MSM, the Judical system, our Politicos, could all declare 0bamatax was actually 35 years old, and the critics were Birthers.
The same defense and smears would be rolled out to protect 0bamatax. Nobody in the system has standing to challenge the false declaration

Question to you, and all others, how do the People keep 0bamatax, or some other non-eligble person, off the ballot


49 posted on 07/01/2012 6:04:18 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: ChildOfThe60s
In the early 70’s I argued with professors that we were heading to just where we are now. Politically and economically. For the most part I was dismissed.

No way you were going to win that argument. They were infected years before and couldn't hear you.

They quit listening to reason and are marching on "The Road We Are Traveling" By Stuart Chase instead.

This is what they have been working for. We have almost arrived at the utopia they have been working to create.

50 posted on 07/01/2012 6:35:21 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happening to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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