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Conservative Anger Growing Over Obamacare Decision
The Examiner ^ | June 30, 2012 | Byron York

Posted on 07/01/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by centurion316

I ran into a prominent conservative member of Congress Friday night just before the huge storms moved through Washington. He was, he said, far angrier on the day after the Supreme Court Obamacare decision than he had been the moment he learned Chief Justice John Roberts had joined the Court’s liberal bloc to uphold the individual mandate at the heart of Obamacare. He didn’t resort to histrionics or profanity, but he was spitting mad — and his anger was growing, not diminishing.

A short time later, I saw another conservative lawmaker who said much the same thing. And yet another conservative leader who was in the same frame of mind.

At the same time, a backlash was forming in response to analyses by some formidable conservative writers — George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and others — who argued the Obamacare decision was actually a victory for conservatives because it placed a limit on expansive interpretations of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause. In the Wall Street Journal, Berkeley law professor and former Bush Justice Department official John Yoo called such silver-lining analyses “hollow hope” and wrote that Obamacare is precisely the disaster for conservatives it appears to be

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All of this anger will be of no use unless it translates into votes to deny Mr. Obama a second term, and to secure both Houses of Congress under Republican Control. It must be done in such a convincing way that Republican politicians will not dare to defy the will of Conservatives.
1 posted on 07/01/2012 8:48:21 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
who argued the Obamacare decision was actually a victory for conservatives because it placed a limit on expansive interpretations of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause.

No. It doesn't.

2 posted on 07/01/2012 8:58:01 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: centurion316
Wake me up when Boehner shuts down the government until the Senate passes a House budget...in the meantime...blah, blah, blah...
3 posted on 07/01/2012 8:58:36 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: centurion316; unkus; flat; rodguy911; MamaDearest; bevperl; FlingWingFlyer; Lumper20; bitt; ...

In talking to a lot of friends, I can assure you the RAGE is real and not just among Conservatives. The will of the American people has been defied by politicians who want the power to decide who lives and who dies. In my opinion, we are now living in Nazi Germany II where government Death Panels will decide your fate based on their criteria. Never doubt that they can and will use Death Panels as a means to eliminate whomever they think are their political enemies. No one I talk to doubts that now. Death Panels thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al. is the coming Gestapo.


4 posted on 07/01/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: centurion316

2010 - When we take the House, the first and only job will be to turn back ObamaCare...

2012 - When we take the White House and the Senate, the first and only job will be to turn back ObamaCare...

Same song, different chorus. More than a few golden opportunities have presented themselves to overturn ObamaCare, most notably the spending cap increase - ‘You want to spend the nation into debt, ObamaCare goes into the trash can.’

Heck, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs are STILL illegal to sell - we’re just told that since there’s no money allocated to enforcing it, this is a win. I want the government OUT of my life, not cuddled up next to me in bed with promises it won’t snore.

Congress can now do the job it promised in 2010 - repeal ObamaCare.


5 posted on 07/01/2012 9:01:36 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: centurion316

We cannot accept this or let it slide as a loss that is now in the past. We have to fight ObamaCare at the polls in the presidential election, in voting for conservatives or at least republicans to dominate the US House and Senate, in state elections so our governors and state legislators will resist ObamaCare. We have to fight ObamaCare in filing more lawsuits in state and federal court, in firing workers to get below the 50 employee limit or at least refusing to hire and rise above that limit, and in all other respects resisting ObamaCare as we would resist any other form of national socialist, soviet socialist, or other totalitarian socialist grab for power over our lives. We have to fight ObamaCare as if our lives depended on victory - because it is our lives and our children’s liberty that are at stake in this latest battle between freedom and slavery.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 9:02:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: centurion316

The Honorable Chief Justice just called it what it is. Not a penalty enforced, by the way, by the IRS, but a TAX enforced by the IRS.

The Democrats tried to avoid this when they wrote the bill by striking out the ‘tax’ reference and putting in ‘fee’ in it’s place. Roberts just did not let them get away with it.

So, yes, if the Congress wants to tax the people to provide socialized medicine, they can, since they are elected by the people to make tax laws. Roberts is right because that taxing authority is Constitutional. Don’t like it? Vote them out!


8 posted on 07/01/2012 9:10:39 AM PDT by Latecomer
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To: Latecomer
that taxing authority is Constitutional

Not really. It should require a constitutional amendment to make it legal.

9 posted on 07/01/2012 9:15:15 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: kingu
Congress can now do the job it promised in 2010 - repeal ObamaCare.

Certainly they have the power to do so, but a certain Obama veto trumps that power. Since the Senate as currently constituted would never repeal, it makes little sense for the House to move forward on its own and risk the loss of any seats in November. Choose a battle that can be won, and then use the win to secure victory.

10 posted on 07/01/2012 9:15:15 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Friday morning, following the ruling, we had our scheduled County Republican Breakfast, with Congressional and State leaders in attendance.

It was a very invigorated and motivated crowd.

We too had a few libertarians express: “This conservative is absolutely livid. Part of my anger is directed at Republican Party, which gave us Roberts.”

Why do people believe there is some cabal capable of seeing the future rulings of a Justice?
Their charges suggest some master plan, mapped out for implementation irrespective of who is in office.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 9:16:24 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: centurion316
"the Obamacare decision was actually a victory for conservatives"
12 posted on 07/01/2012 9:19:20 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: centurion316

“He was, he said, far angrier on the day after the Supreme Court Obamacare decision than he had been the moment he learned Chief Justice John Roberts had joined the Court’s liberal bloc to uphold the individual mandate at the heart of Obamacare.”

Well good. Welcome to my world. I too am angrier the more I digest Robert’s tortured opinion. The guy is world class mental gymnast to twist the constitution around to rationalizing the the penalty for not buying Deathcare is a tax. What a load of BS.

The dissenting opinion spells the whole thing out perfectly. Obamacare is unconstitutional in its horrendous entirety.


13 posted on 07/01/2012 9:19:20 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: centurion316

The last best hope is to win in November, take the Senate decisively (because I believe there will be RINO defections like Murkowski) and repeal Obamacare on Day 1.

I don’t think the “backlash” against conservative punditry is warranted *IF* the conservative political class can translate the language of the SCOTUS opinion into victory come January 2013.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 9:20:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Pollster1
We have to fight ObamaCare

The battle will be to convince both Democrat and Republican voters that ObamaCare will be a disaster that will destroy not only our economy but our medical system. It would help if someone could explain how this obamanation will affect every American. I don't have the time to read and parse its 2000 pages. Does anyone know of a good list of talking points that could be used to make your average TV addict pay attention?

15 posted on 07/01/2012 9:20:42 AM PDT by giotto
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To: kingu

IIRC, the House did vote on repealing Obamacare...knowing it would be ignored by Harry Reid’s senate.

We have to have the entire structure, my friend, just like the Demon-rat party had the entire structure in 2009 and 2010.


16 posted on 07/01/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Obama channels Napoleon...

“What this rabble needs is a whiff of grapeshot.”

Time to get your “Wellington” on!!!


17 posted on 07/01/2012 9:24:16 AM PDT by ak267
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To: centurion316

Grasping at straws!


18 posted on 07/01/2012 9:25:04 AM PDT by old school
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To: kingu

Same song, different chorus.

Yep. Wake me up when it is gone. Til then the only thing I can do is vote and we see where that has got me so far.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 9:27:08 AM PDT by sheana
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To: ExTexasRedhead

It’s worse than that.

Holder’s decison to abandon Arizona regarding the illegals they apprehend points to a growing lawlessness.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 9:30:06 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Latecomer

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Roberts, and the rest of the liberals on the court, are wrong.

Thomas, Scalia and the others are correct.

For the first time in the history of our nation the Supreme Court has ruled a penalty a tax.

If you are going to post on this subject don’t you think you should, at the least, read a synopsys of the opinion and the dissent?


21 posted on 07/01/2012 9:30:40 AM PDT by free me (Roberts killed America)
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To: Latecomer
Roberts is right because that taxing authority is Constitutional.

Is it? The Constitution grants Congress only four areas in which taxes can be levied: excise, impost, direct and income. Nowhere does it allow taxation for a negative action. This tax is nothing less than a tax on liberty.

22 posted on 07/01/2012 9:31:59 AM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto

Should the law stand, I expect that argument to be made in the courts, but they can’t make it yet until they actually start collecting the tax. I suspect this is why Ginsburg was so upset. Roberts might have screwed them royally.


23 posted on 07/01/2012 9:35:13 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: MileHi

Big deal. Roberts just opened a passage around the enumerated powers (our safeguard against tyranny) that is far bigger and wider than even the commerce clause.


24 posted on 07/01/2012 9:36:37 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: centurion316
None of the anger will be of use to any conservative unless we can take BOTH houses with CONSERVATIVE VETO PROOF MAJORITIES! And that is not going to happen, to many RINOS Snowe, Collins, Graham for examples. Then you have the fence straddlers who want to get along and be liked...McCain, Alexander, Corker, and many others. I put my 2 TN senators in the batch because I know what they are fence straddlers, both out to enrich their coffers while bleeding yours dry with ever increasing taxes and power to control you.


25 posted on 07/01/2012 9:37:39 AM PDT by GailA (IF U don't/won't keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: centurion316

It would be awesome if there was a well-established online conservative news discussion and grassroots activism forum where people could get together to harness this conservative anger and channel it into support for those candidates up and down the ballot who have publicly committed to repealing Obamacare.

Anybody know of one of those?


26 posted on 07/01/2012 9:37:45 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: centurion316
All of this anger will be of no use unless it translates into votes to deny Mr. Obama a second term, and to secure both Houses of Congress under Republican Control. It must be done in such a convincing way that Republican politicians will not dare to defy the will of Conservatives

Does it really matter any more? The SCOTUS tore up the social contract between government and the citizenry.

Go ahead. Elect 100% Tea Party activists into every position. Doesn't change the facts of the SCOTUS ruling.

27 posted on 07/01/2012 9:39:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: centurion316

Since Obama took office, the left has won every single important political battle - even after the 2010 elections.

If I were a lib, I’d be laughing, smiling and flipping everyone the bird too. No one has stopped them.

Everyone thinks Obama is going to lose? Everyone thought Obamacare would be struck down too.


28 posted on 07/01/2012 9:40:09 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The last best hope is to win in November, take the Senate decisively (because I believe there will be RINO defections like Murkowski) and repeal Obamacare on Day 1.

This plan would hinge on a Romney victory.

Free Republic is opposed to that.

29 posted on 07/01/2012 9:42:17 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Latecomer

“Roberts is right”

Roberts is scum who WROTE law from the bench. He is wrong legally and otherwise.


30 posted on 07/01/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: kingu
Congress can now do the job it promised in 2010 - repeal ObamaCare.

Congress
didn't promise you anything of the sort.

The House reps did but the dems lock on the Senate stops damn near everything

We need the Senate in 12

31 posted on 07/01/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: kingu
The House of Reps HAS repealed Obama Care, on several instances. If The Republicans take the Senate, they can repeal this new ‘tax’ through reconciliation on a straight 51/49 vote with approval of a President Romney.

The key is, IF they get the power, they have to repeal it, or the base will run and they will loose worse than 2006/08. They know it. A quick repeal and a sensible replacement, with STRONG TORT REFORM, will win them 20 years of dominance in DC

It is all about power, the Republicans want it back, if they get It back they damn well want to keep it. The only way to do that is to deliver.

32 posted on 07/01/2012 9:50:39 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
He redefined what remained of the Republic into a democracy.
33 posted on 07/01/2012 9:51:20 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
I am angry.

The people I talk to are angry (in my circle of friends & family).

My mother's doctor almost had a stroke on Thursday when I took her for an appointment, I mean he was red faced and over the top livid.

That being said, all I see are the Liberals spiking the football, pointing to polls proclaiming the November election is over before it began.

Now I know most of those polls are skewered. I know allot of Americans are pissed over this. But outside of my small circle, I am not seeing the rage, not seeing the anger. I do not think I am alone.

For over a month Obama had one peice of bad news after another, it was crushing him and last weeks Supreme Court decision seems to be like a helium tank shoved up arse. I would "feel" better if there were another series of Tea Party rallies coast to coast. Something to show other like minded people we are not alone in this fight.

34 posted on 07/01/2012 9:56:24 AM PDT by TheShaz
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To: Latecomer
I am sorry, but Roberts is and was wrong. He twisted like a pretzel in order to Fluke you and every other American. He was wrong in this case and the Arizona case. He is a blatant Statist and should be Impeached along with Kagan for not recusing herself.

Don't make excuses for the twit Roberts. He is an enemy of the people and of all who love freedom.

35 posted on 07/01/2012 9:56:27 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Your foolish post hurts all opponents of Obamacare, and damages FR.


36 posted on 07/01/2012 10:05:21 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: centurion316
Choose a battle that can be won, and then use the win to secure victory.

That battle will be to elect Mitt Romney, even if he wasn't your first choice, to the Presidency, and any Republican who commits to REPEAL Obamacare, to the House and Senate.

37 posted on 07/01/2012 10:06:22 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Windcatcher
The only people Roberts screwed where his Conservative colleagues on the Court and the American people! Wake up! This is a disaster of epic proportions. This ruling, now gives precedent to all federal officials to tax NON ACTIVITY. They can not force you to buy apples, but they can tax you if you do not. They can not force you to buy a GM vehicle, but they can tax you if you do not. They can not force you to take part in or have an abortion, but they can tax you if you do not.

This lawless decision has flung the doors wide for any and all forms of fascist dictates from the prick Obama and the Democrats and Republicans in the government.

38 posted on 07/01/2012 10:07:19 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: centurion316

39 posted on 07/01/2012 10:09:25 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Jim from C-Town
The key is, IF they get the power, they have to repeal it, or the base will run and they will loose worse than 2006/08. They know it. A quick repeal and a sensible replacement, with STRONG TORT REFORM, will win them 20 years of dominance in DC

I don't want the Republicans to REPLACE Obamacare with their own big government version of healthcare. They need to start looking at free market options NOW!

40 posted on 07/01/2012 10:14:07 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: centurion316

Apparently, these House Conservatives were soooo angry that they went and voted out the pork-laden Highway Bill.

That showed ‘em...

Even if there is a conservative triumph in November, there is so much to do.


41 posted on 07/01/2012 10:14:13 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: centurion316

He’s in Washington and he speaks to a conservative lawmaker and another and another? How is that even possible?


42 posted on 07/01/2012 10:21:54 AM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: rbbeachkid
He’s in Washington and he speaks to a conservative lawmaker and another and another? How is that even possible?

Its a miracle.

43 posted on 07/01/2012 10:25:16 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

“All of this anger will be of no use unless it translates into votes to deny Mr. Obama a second term, and to secure both Houses of Congress under Republican Control.”

Sadly that now makes very little difference in the long run. Without a Constitution(limits) upon government we will be dammed to suffer the shifting & self-destructive despotism of democracy.

Winning this federal election or even the next 4 federal elections if it were possible is not going to make much difference now. Eventually either the democrats will lie and cheat their way in or the republicans will become as corrupt as they were in 2006.

Eyther way the political leaders in washington D.C. Will start finding or creating excuse to use their boundless athoirty over every individual to usurp more and more to usurp more and more of our rights and consolidate tighter and tighter control over the political system.

It is in this way that even the democracy Traitor John has imposed will murder itself. As in the case of Rome few if any of us will know, believe, or care until long after it has been an accepted & secured fact. Political leaders will have to see to that fact if their consolidation is to be successive and they will eventually be successful in doing so. They will after all have unlimited tries as each time they fail and we manage to get rid of them anther will take their place and using the same boundless power try again. Without a constitution of civil government limiting their practical power there is nothing to stop them.

I’m sorry to say but our Constitutional republic is effectively dead now thanks to traitor john. If we are to have any hope of reviving it the very nature of our politics must become revolutary. For nothing short of a revolution can restore the chains of the constitution upon civil government. That is after all what a revolution is, a reset.


44 posted on 07/01/2012 10:29:50 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: MulberryDraw

I think we all agree that taxing (or revenue-raising) is Constitutional. But this wasn’t a function of the revenue-raising/taxing authority. The bill that resulted in Obamacare originated in the Senate, not the House, and the penalty was deliberately portrayed as ANYthing but a tax. So far as I know, that process, that order of law-making, hasn’t changed. How can that “anything-but-a tax” be deemed a “tax” if it didn’t originate as a tax, didn’t follow the normal procedure for becoming a tax?


45 posted on 07/01/2012 10:29:59 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: giotto

Does anyone know of a good list of talking points that could be used to make your average TV addict pay attention?

Here’s an understandable synopsis:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/


46 posted on 07/01/2012 10:32:30 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: Monorprise

I would agree with your point, except that this has been going on for over 80 years now. Not only is the Supreme Court activist on most occasions, the entire judiciary is of a similar ilk. In my own state of Kansas, a very effective campaign in underway to persuade people that they should forgo election of judges in favor of appointment by “nonpartisan” panels composed of prominent citizens and legal professionals. Similar efforts have been adopted or are in progress in other states. The effect will be to guarantee that our judiciary will be an unelected bastion of left wing activists ready to stymie any attempt by conservative voters to turn the tide.


47 posted on 07/01/2012 10:41:06 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Jim from C-Town

I bet they will draw up the newest taxation plan, its the Galt Tax Mandate.

Its designed to tax those that have pulled all their money from the banks, have paid off all bills, who pay cash and use no credit cards, have successfully eluded the Feds on all property and personal taxation and most importantly cannot have any wages garnished.

The millions that went “Galt” and they will have a penalty tax imposed upon them for failure to participate in the socialistic party Healthcare Act.


48 posted on 07/01/2012 10:48:02 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: centurion316

I’m actually going to vote for Romney, after shouting from the mountaintops that I would never! That’s how angry I am!!


49 posted on 07/01/2012 11:06:48 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Eye of Unk
Its designed to tax those that have pulled all their money from the banks

Hiding it under the mattress
50 posted on 07/01/2012 11:15:14 AM PDT by uncbob
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