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How Liberals Win (Peer into the abyss)
NYT ^ | 6-30-12 | BILL SCHER

Posted on 07/01/2012 10:07:48 AM PDT by Dysart

PRESIDENT OBAMA has endured much criticism of his legislative skills from his fellow progressives. His conciliatory approach has been compared unfavorably with Franklin D. Roosevelt’s gleeful pugnacity and Lyndon B. Johnson’s relentless arm-twisting. His willingness to strike deals with corporations has been tagged “business as usual.” Many progressives, frustrated over the past three years, have concluded that the political system is fundamentally broken because corporate power has been allowed to suffocate popular liberal policies.

But the Supreme Court’s upholding of Mr. Obama’s health care law reminds us that the president’s approach has achieved significant results. If his liberal critics paused to assess how he achieved such results, they would not see a system paralyzed by corporations; they would see that the most liberal reforms in more than 40 years have been brought about because Mr. Obama views corporate power as a force to bargain with, not an enemy to vanquish.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corporatism; corruption; liberals; win
A liberal wrote this piece. Here's insight into the slimy inner workings which plays out daily, but is almost always hidden from public view.

Just look at how Mr. Obama handled the health care law. Recently released e-mail exchanges between the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby, which detail a path of compromises that won the drug industry’s support for the Affordable Care Act, certainly look more like “business as usual” than “change.” The e-mails include a White House promise of a “direct line of communication” to lobbyists, along with a suggestion to “stay quiet” about an agreement that buried a proposal for cheap drug imports.

1 posted on 07/01/2012 10:07:56 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart
All I see the the usual leftist rhetoric that demonizes private wealth until it is expropriated to fund an ever expanding state.
2 posted on 07/01/2012 10:24:57 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Well, I was impressed by the exposing of the duplicitous rhetoric of liberal presidents, former and current— by a liberal in the most prominent socialist publication.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 10:30:15 AM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: Dysart

“The end justifies the means.”


4 posted on 07/01/2012 10:35:08 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Dysart
How Liberals Win

At the national level, liberals win through the lack of courage and the lack of commitment to principle by the Beltway GOP. The closest things we have to champions of conservatism in Washington are people who act like the unpopular kids in high school, pathetically eager to throw away what they know to be correct in order to gain favor with the cool kids - which in Washington are the gaggle of statists in elected posts and the members of the MSM who do their PR.

Words can't express the disgust I feel over Roberts' willingness to torture logic and the Constitution to keep the liberal establishment from calling him and the Supreme Court a few nasty names.

It's overwhelmingly clear that a new way, a new party is needed. The GOP is a failure. Something new has to arise from the energy and passion of the Tea Party. Failing that, I'm prepared to vote Libertarian - maybe those guys will stick by their stated principles for limited government once they get into office.
5 posted on 07/01/2012 10:35:34 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Dysart

Mr. Liberal is very very pleased with himself and his principles today, and would like to share them for all to see and admire.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Bratch
“The end justifies the means.”

With these pieces of excrement I think it can most accurately be called "by any means necessary".

7 posted on 07/01/2012 10:42:12 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Dysart

Obama is “conciliatory”? He has NEVER spoken politely about his opponents. He constantly insults and lies about his enemies, and his enemies list is enormous.

Sure, he makes deals with “capitalists.” These are his friends and donors, crooked crony capitalists and money launderers.


8 posted on 07/01/2012 10:43:47 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Failing that, I'm prepared to vote Libertarian - maybe those guys will stick by their stated principles for limited government once they get into office.

I'd be thrilled to vote Libertarian for a Congressional seat. But I won't waste a vote for a Gary Johnson or Ron Paul just to make a point. The consequences of that are unacceptable.

And I do wish that the Libertarian political philosophy had more cache, and that the drug legalization issue wasn't made out to be a pillar of Libertarianism, because it isn't. It's employed as a wedge issue by the GOP and Rats alike, and latched onto and championed by some of society's unfortunates. The grander issues of personal liberty and indv property rights and freedom from arbitrary government rule get almost lost in its wake.

9 posted on 07/01/2012 10:56:11 AM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: mojito

Yes, there’s a certain smug arrogance there. I sense it too. Hopefully his kind will get slapped in the face by a new reality in the next 12 months. Or else...


10 posted on 07/01/2012 10:59:50 AM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: mojito

Open your eyes....

What is there to be seen, is how liberals threaten corporations with their worst fears, if they don’t cooperate with “more moderate” change.

What the corporate heads fail to appreciate, is that the liberals lie, and will just eat them last.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 11:14:29 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: G Larry
Open your eyes....

What makes you think I need to be admonished by you to know how the left operates?

12 posted on 07/01/2012 11:30:31 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Dysart
And I do wish that the Libertarian political philosophy had more cache, and that the drug legalization issue wasn't made out to be a pillar of Libertarianism, because it isn't. It's employed as a wedge issue by the GOP and Rats alike, and latched onto and championed by some of society's unfortunates. The grander issues of personal liberty and indv property rights and freedom from arbitrary government rule get almost lost in its wake.

Libertarian views on foreign policy are often impractical, and sometimes delusional. I'm starting to think it just doesn't matter - the biggest threat America faces is from itself, not China, not al-Qaida, not Russia. We must do what's never been done since the New Deal went into effect - roll back the size and power of the US federal government - before the greed and stupidity of our politicians and bureaucrats unmake this nation as no foreign enemy has ever been able to do.
13 posted on 07/01/2012 11:33:26 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: mojito

Because your bumper sticker summary ignored the details regarding the methods used to get that “private wealth” to participate in their own demise.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 11:47:39 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I’m afraid that you are correct. I am sorry to be so cynical, but I am afraid that the Congressional Republicans are going to make a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing leading up to the election, and then start finding ways to tinker around the edges of Obamacare, if that. What expansion of government in recent history have they successfully opposed? These expansions wind up being untouchable and permanent.


15 posted on 07/01/2012 12:01:21 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: G Larry

I just cut to the chase, Mr. Genius.

I know you’re a big smart important man who needs to show other, lesser folks what’s what. And so it may come as a surprise to you that other people can recognize the Chicago-Alinsky Way without your condescending help.

But thanks for sharing. Just save your arrogance for someone else.


16 posted on 07/01/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Dysart

When all you care about is ultimate power, you’ll do anything to get it. Once you have it, you can do as you please.


17 posted on 07/01/2012 12:09:10 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Libertarian views on foreign policy are often impractical, and sometimes delusional.

I prefer naive. But how has being the world's peace keeper worked out most of the past century? Besides all the gratitude we've been shown and..well, never mind. You're right. FP doesn't matter if our own house is in chaos.

We must do what's never been done since the New Deal went into effect - roll back the size and power of the US federal government - before the greed and stupidity of our politicians and bureaucrats unmake this nation as no foreign enemy has ever been able to do.

Right. And if we're able to accomplish it it will be affirmed on Libertarian principles to a great extent, but it won't be thought of as such. That's a message problem for the Libertarian movement.

18 posted on 07/01/2012 12:46:51 PM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

libertarians as a party have been taken over by delusional pot heads. literally.

The best answer is to seed conservatives in the GOP and even the dems and ostracise the communists. make the reds red again.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 12:59:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mojito

Now you’ve hurt my feeling...

(we arrogant people only have one)


20 posted on 07/01/2012 1:27:50 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
, liberals win through the lack of courage and the lack of commitment to principle by the Beltway GOP.

You nailed it!

21 posted on 07/01/2012 2:24:15 PM PDT by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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