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Sen. Schumer says Romney "in a pickle" over health care
CBS News ^ | July 1, 2012 | Leigh Ann Caldwell

Posted on 07/01/2012 6:19:46 PM PDT by presidio9

Senator Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Sunday that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is "in a pickle" arguing against the president's health care bill because he passed a similar version in Massachusetts.

"He prescribed this. This was his bill," Schumer said on "Face the Nation." He noted Republicans "have ads saying it's a tax increase. Are they going to say, 'Mitt Romney had the biggest tax increase in Massachusetts?'"

"Mitt Romney is in a total pickle here," Schumer said, arguing that the Republican Party is in a tough position: As polls suggest the economy is the top priority of voters, he said Republicans are making health care a top issue in the election, while Democrats in Congress will be focused on job creation.

"The Republican Party's in a box, the Tea Party's pulling them over to just talk about repeal," he said. "They're going to vote on a repeal of health care, litigate a battle that has been going on for four years, and we are going to put on the floor a small business jobs tax cut."

But on the same program, Senator Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said health care is very much a part of the economic discussion. "I think it's extremely intertwined with the economy. And I think it's an example of where Washington doesn't get it. One of the reasons we don't have significant job creation is the federal government itself," he said.

"We're approaching the health care problem the wrong way. As a practicing physician for over 25 years, the one thing you want to do is fix the real disease, not the symptoms, and the

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1 posted on 07/01/2012 6:19:50 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Repeal Commiecare™. Hold the pickle.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 6:22:52 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: presidio9

Dems don’t see distinctions between States and the Fed.

Reagan as a Governor signed legislation in California that he never brought nationally.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 6:24:50 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: presidio9

Nice try. Stick your pickle where the sun don’t shine.

Your beloved Azzhole is on his way out. O.U.T.


4 posted on 07/01/2012 6:26:50 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
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To: presidio9

There is a difference between what ONE state decided to do for healthcare and Obama shoving his Commiecare down the throats of the WHOLE nation. There is states’ rights, well there WERE states’ rights anyway, and what is done in one state does not make it good for the nation.

So Romney did this in Massachusetts...is that what the people of his state wanted? That was THEIR business. Doesn’t mean we would want it in “flyover country.”


5 posted on 07/01/2012 6:27:02 PM PDT by madison10 (Still trying to find that silver lining in that Death-of-the-U.S.A. tornado funnel...)
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To: Libloather

Lets see who do we vote for....someone who said he will repeal obamacare taxation, or Obama...gee? Guess Chuck never read the 10th admendment...

I might not agree with Massachusetts healthcare, but it is confined to Massachusetts.

What a smuck.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 6:27:30 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: presidio9

Is Schumer and Biden related?
Both are jokers.


7 posted on 07/01/2012 6:28:41 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
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To: presidio9
Gee, Chucky, whatever Romney did in his state and walked it back makes it OK for your ilk to do a thousand-fold to the entire nation and embrace it? And Romney has the 'splaining to do? That BS didn't sell yesterday, it doesn't sell today, and it won't sell tomorrow. Your thousand variants of 'it's Bush's fault' is really getting to be grating. Putz.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


8 posted on 07/01/2012 6:29:08 PM PDT by Viking2002 ("If you're gonna hang out in places like this, wear a badge on your didey.")
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To: NoLibZone

“Dems don’t see distinctions between States and the Fed.

Reagan as a Governor signed legislation in California that he never brought nationally.”


RomneyCare was an abomination to the spirit and sense of the Mass. constitution too, and it went on to not only redistribute the wealth of the citizens of Mass., but also served to suck money from the other states through federal government funding.

Mittens can’t wiggle himself out of this proclaiming State’s rights.


9 posted on 07/01/2012 6:29:37 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: JohnD9207

“I might not agree with Massachusetts healthcare, but it is confined to Massachusetts.”


No, actually, it wasn’t.


10 posted on 07/01/2012 6:30:32 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: presidio9

STFU you old foolish communist!!! Stupid ass SOB.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:19 PM PDT by albie
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To: NoLibZone

Check the FR keyword: bondi:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/bondi/index?tab=articles

Bondi’s already let it slip about her involvement with Romney’s new National Healthcare Task force which they plan on using to help states implement “good healthcare” systems a la RomneyCare:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2839689/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2839432/posts

ObamaCare bad. RomneyCare good. Ain’t socialism grand?


12 posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: presidio9

Shumer lives in an alternate universe. Which one, I haven’t a clue.


13 posted on 07/01/2012 6:31:46 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: presidio9

FK Schumer that self serving socialist ahole.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 6:34:52 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: presidio9
Myth Romney IS the author of RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE. And he shamelessly
neither refutes it NOR acknowledges it.

Shame on the GOPe for stealing the election from the
people, as it did in 2008.



15 posted on 07/01/2012 6:35:26 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Agreed, Mitt Romney sucks as a candidate. What is your solution?


16 posted on 07/01/2012 6:40:58 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

70 does not equal 2700.


17 posted on 07/01/2012 6:43:49 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: presidio9

Not anymore. The pickle penalty is now a pickle tax around Chuckie’s painfully plugged head.


18 posted on 07/01/2012 6:44:42 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: presidio9

Romney is an idiot for implementing RomneyCare. So what does Obama do? He doubles Dow on the idiocy.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 6:46:09 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: presidio9

Romney is an idiot for implementing RomneyCare. So what does Obama do? He doubles down on the idiocy.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 6:46:25 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Diogenesis

The GOPe didn’t steal anything from anyone. As bad as Romney sucks, we the people picked him.

The biggest problem was that we conservatives had to bash and destroy every other conservative running for President who was not our personally annointed pick.

We systematically destroyed Bachmann, Perry, Newt, Santorum. On this very board, nearly every single day there were multiple new threads bashing each of them. We looked for every single flaw, real or imagined, and then magnified it to the greatest extent possible, and we did so happily and with fervor.

Then, for good measure, in the debates and in the political ads they ran, they totally trashed each other as well. They didn’t just point out policy differences — they attacked with personal, nasty half-truths.

The predictable end result was what we wind up with today. A squishy nominee who will most likely see to it that the Kenyan is reelected.

Sadly, based on what I still see on here most days, I don’t think we learned a thing from it either.


21 posted on 07/01/2012 6:48:46 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: presidio9

LOL. Yeah, Chuck he is in a REAL pickle, opposing the most unpopular piece of national legislation in many many decades.

How do I know Obamugabe is in trouble? He has his Chief of Staff Jack Lew and the safest ‘rat in the Senate, Chuck the Punk Schumer, out defending him. Notice there aren’t any so-called middle road ‘rats out there.

No Jon Tester. No Bill Nelson. No Claire McClaskill. Why? Because all three of those Obama butt lickers are up for re-election with people who know Obamugabe’s Death Panel Law sucks.


22 posted on 07/01/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just why isn’t chuck s in Leavenworth getting the “pickle”?


23 posted on 07/01/2012 6:58:06 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Who shall I write in or vote for?


24 posted on 07/01/2012 7:07:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone

Must be some real bad Polling for Democrats


25 posted on 07/01/2012 7:09:16 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: NoLibZone
"Dems don’t see distinctions between States and the Fed."

Yes and if the people of Massachusetts like to pay taxes so be it.

26 posted on 07/01/2012 7:17:07 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Diogenesis
Shame on the GOPe for stealing the election

Nah, it was a UFO - using zombie mind control on primary voters.

27 posted on 07/01/2012 7:21:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presidio9

And Chuck You Schumer became someone we believe in... when?


28 posted on 07/01/2012 7:22:01 PM PDT by altura
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To: NoLibZone

I don’t know. Wrestling with that myself. The only thing I know is I won’t be voting for someone who promoted abortionism, homosexualism and big government statism during his entire time in office.


29 posted on 07/01/2012 7:23:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: comebacknewt

“The GOPe didn’t steal anything from anyone. As bad as Romney sucks, we the people picked him.”


After a campaign of lies and disinformation. Do you really think a majority of those primary voters knew Mittens invented ObamaCare and is a traitor on virtually every other issue of importance?


30 posted on 07/01/2012 7:26:11 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: comebacknewt

I don’t agree.

Romney was nominated for a reason. We did not have a better candidate to oppose him.

Everyone out there was seriously flawed. Yeah, Newt’s the smartest guy in the room, but we all know he would have totally shot himself in the foot by now. Anyway, there was a lot of animosity towards Newt from his last go round...deserved or not.

Romney ran a smart campaign and he’s still running a smart campaign.

He’s light years ahead of Obama on every issue.

I’m not really sure what the point is in some here joyously abetting Obama by jumping on every real or perceived flaw in Romney.

Do you all really want to give Obama four more years?

You will be very sorry if you somehow succeed in doing that.


31 posted on 07/01/2012 7:29:59 PM PDT by altura
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To: altura

FWIW, I’m supporting Romney. He wasn’t even remotely close to my first choice, but I have always used the Limbaugh Rule even before it was the Limbaugh Rule — always vote for the most conservative candidate in the race.

In this case, between Romney and Obama, it clearly is Romney.

If he wins and doesn’t govern like a conservative, then we can try to defeat him in the 2016 primary. I would much prefer doing that than climbing out of whatever ashes are left behind after a second Obama term.


32 posted on 07/01/2012 7:39:03 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: presidio9

Schumer can go suck a pickle. There’s a Weiner joke in there somewhere.


33 posted on 07/01/2012 7:44:05 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: comebacknewt

It’s worth a lot.

You are so right. Hey, he wasn’t my first choice either, he was my third choice. When it got down to him, Santorum and Newt, I was for the guy I thought could beat Obama and I believed that to be Romney.

I’m not nearly so pessimistic about him as some here. I think he’s talking to the right people like John Bolton on foreign affairs and Paul Ryan on the economy and I think he will do an excellent job on the economy.


34 posted on 07/01/2012 7:53:56 PM PDT by altura
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To: comebacknewt
Then, for good measure, in the debates and in the political ads they ran, they totally trashed each other as well. They didn’t just point out policy differences — they attacked with personal, nasty half-truths.

Romney was the master at that and he had the $$$ to saturate the papers and airways especially with lies about Newt

It was all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$ which only Romney had
35 posted on 07/01/2012 8:03:19 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: presidio9
I don't care what there did in the most liberal state in the union Romney's state.

The rest of the nation want to be free. It's up to every state.

36 posted on 07/01/2012 8:08:41 PM PDT by factmart
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To: presidio9

Another mendacious Democrat.


37 posted on 07/01/2012 8:27:07 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: RaisingCain

explain please.


38 posted on 07/01/2012 8:28:57 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: Jim Robinson

California will vote for OStupid so its not like you live in a swing state. No offense, as I understand what you are saying, but you could vote for the libertarian and Obama will California.


39 posted on 07/01/2012 8:39:09 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: presidio9

I can always move away from Taxachusetts and still be an American. There is no place to run from Obamacare except to join a protected trade union or become a muslim or Amish and get an exemption.


40 posted on 07/01/2012 8:43:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Is Schumer and Biden related? Both are jokers.

BOTH have sucked on the public teat far too long.

41 posted on 07/01/2012 8:47:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: presidio9

It is important to recognize differences between the Mass “mandate” and the Obamatax mandate. The Mass plan DID have a mandate, but the amounts were much lower than Obamatax and were for single or family situations (i.e., not based on income) -— and, significantly, could be satisfied by a low bond as many states do with automobile liability insurance. The Romney approach had as its ultimate goal to get a larger number of people in PRIVATE insurance plans (not, as with the Obamatax, the goal of sabotaging private insurance) and stressed catastrophic coverage (as opposed to Obamatax where you go in for everything right down to a bandage practically).

Some items in the Mass bill were vetoed by Romney but the Democratic legislature overrode them. A few months later a Democrat became Governor and then there were numerous changes made resulting in a significant increase in “administrators” (although probably not as much as will happen with Obamatax).


42 posted on 07/01/2012 8:59:06 PM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: JohnD9207

Explain how RomneyCare screws the federal government or the lies and disinformation post?

RomneyCare is actually bailed out by the federal government and is not self-sufficient. It’s one of the major reasons why ObamaCare is so bad... there’s no one to bail out the federal government.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html

As for lies and disinformation. Well, that’s easy. Florida was probably the greatest example of it. Mittens outspent the other candidates by millions, and spent most of it on negative ads falsely accusing Newt, who was leading at that time, of being run out of congress in shame. Around that time, Mittens surrogates in the GOPe were releasing stories about Newt supposedly denouncing Ronald Reagan, which were all false, of course.


43 posted on 07/01/2012 9:02:27 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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44 posted on 07/01/2012 9:07:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: presidio9

It is important to recognize differences between the Mass “mandate” and the Obamatax mandate. The Mass plan DID have a mandate, but the amounts were much lower than Obamatax and were for single or family situations (i.e., not based on income) -— and, significantly, could be satisfied by a low bond as many states do with automobile liability insurance. The Romney approach had as its ultimate goal to get a larger number of people in PRIVATE insurance plans (not, as with the Obamatax, the goal of sabotaging private insurance) and stressed catastrophic coverage (as opposed to Obamatax where you go in for everything right down to a bandage practically).

Some items in the Mass bill were vetoed by Romney but the Democratic legislature overrode them. A few months later a Democrat became Governor and then there were numerous changes made resulting in a significant increase in “administrators” (although probably not as much as will happen with Obamatax).


45 posted on 07/01/2012 9:08:50 PM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: presidio9

Schumer, we have much of your past to cover. Let’s start with your part in engineering the economic collapse and blaming it on Bush and the Republicans.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/uncategorized/democrat-senator-chuck-schumers-role-in-americas-financial-crisis/


46 posted on 07/01/2012 9:15:34 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: JohnD9207

Oops, I provided the wrong link which shows the Feds bailing out RomneyCare. Here it is:

“n this study, the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University (BHI) attempts to fill the gap by calculating the effect of health care reform on state and federal governments and the private health insurance markets, including employee contributions to their private insurance plans. We find that, under health care reform:

• State health care expenditures have risen by $414 million over the period;

• Private health insurance costs have risen by $4.311 billion over the period;

• The federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts.

• Over this period, Medicare expenditures increased by $1.426 billion;

• For a total cumulative cost of $8.569 billion over the period; and

• The state has been able to shift the majority of the costs to the federal government.

The federal government continues to absorb a significant cost of health care reform through enhanced Medicaid payments and the Medicare program. …We estimate the effects of health care reform by comparing the actual value of each variable with the value it would have had, based on recent trends, had health care reform not been implemented.”

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/the-federal-government-has-been-bailing-out-romneycare-but-who-will-be-available-to-bail-out-obamacare/


47 posted on 07/01/2012 9:19:21 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Diogenesis

Romney got out on the starting block early with money from the 2008 election. If we wanted a candidate to overtake him, we should have forked over all our money to one candidate early. It didn’t help with 11 candidates running. Out of this field, who should we have rallied behind?

Ron Paul
Mitt Romney
Michele Bachmann
Herman Cain
Newt Gingrich
Jon Huntsman Jr.
Thaddeus McCotter
Tim Pawlenty
Rick Perry
Buddy Roemer
Rick Santorum


48 posted on 07/01/2012 9:47:16 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: presidio9

Schumcker is obsessed with his pickle and everyone else’s pickles.


49 posted on 07/01/2012 10:11:46 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: presidio9
From what I've seen, Mitt's plan, even though what we have now is somewhat different from that which he envisioned, thanks to the Democrat led legislature, didn't have the effect of raising taxes on myriad other things that have nothing to do with healthcare, which is what Obama's plan will do.

Nice try, UpChuck, but it ain't gonna fly.

50 posted on 07/01/2012 10:31:05 PM PDT by SuziQ
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