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“America Has Without a Doubt Become More European”
Der Spiegel ^ | 06/29/2012 | Miriam Widman

Posted on 07/01/2012 9:36:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai

In a 5 to 4 vote, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the controversial provision requiring Americans to purchase health insurance was not unconstitutional, as its opponents had hoped, but amounted to a levy which Congress can issue based on its constitutional right to collect taxes. In a surprise move, Chief Justice John G. Roberts, long seen as a staunch conservative, backed the ruling and delivered the verdict.

German healthcare experts have long had difficulty understanding the debate in the United States because mandatory healthcare insurance has been required for decades in Germany, just as it is in many other European countries. People living in Germany cannot be excluded from health insurance because of previous conditions and, for those who are covered under the public-private national healthcare scheme, their premiums are based on how much income they earn.

Opponents in the US argued that requiring Americans to buy insurance is an intolerable intrusion into an individual's right to purchase what he or she feels is necessary and amounts to a move to Socialism, which they reject. …

Proponents argued that health insurance only works if everyone—sick as well as healthy individuals—are part of the system. Large health insurers backed this, fearing they would experience big financial losses if required coverage were removed but a mandate requiring them to insure people regardless of their pre-conditions was kept. …

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: obamacaretax

1 posted on 07/01/2012 9:37:02 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

On the bright side of things, the German Healthcare Officials will probably be jumping out of windows once the Euro collapses.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 9:40:59 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Olog-hai

Of course germans do not understand. The health care system was imposed by a central government that has as much power as the autocratic regime of Otto von Bismarck. Despite the somewhat misleading language of its Basic Law, Germany has no real concept of limited government.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 9:47:59 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Olog-hai
“In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute,” Putin said during a speech at the opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

“In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

Sounding more like Barry Goldwater than the former head of the KGB, Putin said, “Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors, and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months.

There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.” Vladimir Putin

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/putin_warns_us_to_eschew_socia.html

February 18, 2009

Putin warns US to eschew socialism

4 posted on 07/01/2012 9:50:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: Olog-hai

As if becoming more European is a good thing? Why do they think everybody left their countries and came here? So losers could infiltrate and re-create Europe, Mexico, the Middle East, Africa, whatever they came from and remake it here?


5 posted on 07/01/2012 9:51:07 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Olog-hai

They are right about one thing. Roberts, the supposed conservative, does not think he has the right to limit the authority of the Federal Government in any significant way.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 9:51:33 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Olog-hai

Isn’t it ironic that we become ever more politically European while at the same time becoming ever more third world demographically?


7 posted on 07/01/2012 9:51:58 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Olog-hai
German healthcare experts have long had difficulty understanding the debate in the United States because mandatory healthcare insurance has been required for decades in Germany, just as it is in many other European countries.

I know there's a long German word for taking pleasure in the misery of others. Is there a similarly long German word for being ironically clueless?

8 posted on 07/01/2012 9:52:40 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: NoLibZone

Funny that Putin makes such statements on one hand while renationalizing his country’s oil and gas industries on the other.


9 posted on 07/01/2012 9:54:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: vbmoneyspender

Sounds like you’re thinking of the word “schadenfreude”. The closest I can come to for the second phrase would be “ironischeratlos” . . . although that might be grammatically incorrect.


10 posted on 07/01/2012 9:57:45 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NoLibZone

The world is upside down!

The American President preaches communist clap-trap and the KGB Russian President preaches capitalism.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 9:59:17 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA.)
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12 posted on 07/01/2012 10:02:30 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai
ObamaTAX also exists in other countries as well, under a different name.

In those countries, it's called the jizyah.

Muslims don't pay the jizyah, only infidels.

In the USSA, Muslims are exempt from ObamaTAX on religious grounds. Infidels are not.

13 posted on 07/01/2012 10:23:20 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: WOSG
The world is upside down!

The American President preaches communist clap-trap and the KGB Russian President preaches capitalism.


I posted this zillions of times before but back in 1983 when I was a junior in high school, soon after KAL-007 was shot down by the Soviets, I asked a couple of questions for discussion. "What if in the future, the US became the USSR and the USSR became the US? What if the US ever became the Evil Empire?" We had some good discussions too and I remember my German teacher said that we could be on the road to that way eventually. I think I might get my answer. BTW, to borrow from Pogo Possum, "we met the enemy and he is us." Shame, isn't it?

Putin can be a ruthless guy, but we have to remember that he is doing what he thinks is best for Russia, not us, but he is certainly a lot more correct and on the ball than Bammy. I admire Putin, he seems to be doing the right thing economically and has a good set of ball unlike the capon we have in the White Hut now.
14 posted on 07/01/2012 10:23:20 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Justice Roberts knows the Constitution as much as the hominids know about the Monolith in "2001")
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To: Olog-hai

No, the COURT has become more EuroPEON


15 posted on 07/01/2012 10:23:30 PM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Old Sarge

In short, we are dhimmis. Welcome to Dhimmitude.


16 posted on 07/01/2012 10:24:45 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Justice Roberts knows the Constitution as much as the hominids know about the Monolith in "2001")
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To: mrsmel

That’s what many Californios and New Englanders do when they move away from their sh*tholes.


17 posted on 07/01/2012 10:27:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Indeed. They really are parasites, moving to the next host after killing their previous one.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 11:01:25 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Nowhere Man
LOL! In my school we we already were "Evil Empire" under President Reagan according to what they were teaching the kids. And the Soviet Union was the good guy!

Twenty years later (well maybe a few more than that) here we are.

20 posted on 07/01/2012 11:17:44 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Do German experts of all types understand that the Amer-
ican taxpayers funded the defense of Germany and the rest of
Western Europe throughout the Cold War and continue to do
so to this day thereby making it possible for them to allocate
resources to other endeavors? I believe we already know the
answer to that question.


21 posted on 07/01/2012 11:32:50 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Do German experts of all types understand that the Amer-
ican taxpayers funded the defense of Germany and the rest of
Western Europe throughout the Cold War and continue to do
so to this day thereby making it possible for them to allocate
resources to other endeavors? I believe we already know the
answer to that question.


22 posted on 07/01/2012 11:33:21 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Nowhere Man

I was on a deterrent patrol in the Labrador Sea when KAL-007 was shot down. We thought a war had started and were on alert, ready to fire our missiles for the next 3 weeks.


23 posted on 07/01/2012 11:44:17 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: NoLibZone

I’ll take Putin over Dumb’O.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 12:03:23 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: vbmoneyspender

Schadenfreude is the word you’re looking for.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 12:37:52 AM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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To: Olog-hai
To compare what Obama et al. and the elite "Democrats" are trying to do to us to Europe is to miss the point by a long shot. Europe is deceived, bumbling and lacking in morality and economic sense. They have ignorantly bought into lies, that are not working for them, as they are by nature unworkable.

What Obama is doing, on the other hand, is nothing but a knowledgeable, illegal wealth and power grab. This illegal grab is dressed up in socialism and idealism as to try to make it more palatable to the masses and keep it from being investigated.

He, and they, are not heading our Country into a European kind of government, but rather one more in the line of Castro, Chavez, Ortega, or possibly much, much worse. He is fleecing us under the pretenses of socialism, the green movement and any other kind of excuse that has the look of idealism.

It really does not do justice to the kind of system that Obama and his backing have in mind for us, and have been heading us into, to compare it to bumbling Europe. It isn't bumbling, but rather calculated evil, with the purpose of taking us over, robbing us of our wealth, and also, even more importantly, pressing for the degradation and dis empowering of our people through the proliferation of all kinds of forms of immorality. It isn't a form of socialism, which it presently is hiding behind, but rather a grab for absolute power of the vilest kind, which without a heart for our people, cares not if we end up hurting, even unto death, for it's source is purest evil.

26 posted on 07/02/2012 12:48:53 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: WOSG

You mean the same KGB Russian president who nationalized all the oil and gas companies in his country?


27 posted on 07/02/2012 2:06:02 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Bellflower
What’s happening in Europe is just as deliberate by their politicians, and an even larger power grab. If Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky was able to recognize the “supranational” European government in Brussels as a direct copy of the USSR’s government (save the one-party system), it is certainly not self-deception on the part of the Eurocrats.
28 posted on 07/02/2012 2:11:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Sivad

Oh, they recognize it all right. Which makes things even more treacherous on their part. (Remember the days when Willy Brandt had to resign as chancellor because he had aides that were part of East Germany’s Stasi? Sometimes seems to me like the Cold War was a game that Germany initiated right after WWII to weaken both the USA and USSR.)


29 posted on 07/02/2012 2:14:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Good info, and I agree with much of it, but when commentators refer to Europe they are not thinking in terms of an evil, corrupt dictatorship forming. They are thinking in terms of failed socialism. Socialism is not the objective, but rather, ultimately, pure dictatorial control and enslavement of the masses, physically, mentally and even more importantly religiously and morally. The "elite" also would like to see millions killed in the interest of lowering population numbers drastically. Behind the entire world is a shadow organization with the desire for a one world rule, couched as benevolent, which it is/will be anything but. Many Europeans, even leaders, unknowingly have bought into this idea of benevolent socialism, which behind the scenes is actually working towards an all consuming dictatorship. They are like the proverbial frogs slowly coming to a boil, so they don't know to hop out. It is the evil puppet masters behind them that are doing the boiling.

When commentators compare the direction we are heading towards with European socialism they do not realize that the direction we have been heading in is not towards merely failed socialism, but like your article says, towards something much more horrible than they are imagining. There is a movement in our Country, as well as in Europe, to rule and subjugation by a vastly evil empire run by dictators who care not for humanity's plight, nor our lives, but care only for themselves and their diabolical schemes to rule and benefit from the misery of others. When commentators, in their minds, compare us with European style socialism, they have no idea at all what we are really up against, which isn't merely failed ideas, but the fate of falling into the hands of pure, diabolically evil dictators.

30 posted on 07/02/2012 3:14:59 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a hard time not laughing hysterically when German “experts” cannot understand why we don’t have government-sponsored healthcare (actually, we do for many citizens) for all its citizens. Gee, German experts, it’s something called the U.S. constitution which clearly delineates the duties and obligations of the federal government. (Or at least we thought it did.) I wonder how many Americans try to explain to foreigners the concept about the government not being responsible for your welfare. If healthcare is a “right,” than how can government-supplied food, clothing, and shelter not be a “right” as well? You certainly can’t survive very long without food and shelter. And try surviving winters in the upper States without a certain amount of clothing.


31 posted on 07/02/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai

Yes, we are beginning to look more and more like Greece every day.


32 posted on 07/02/2012 5:24:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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