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SWAT tries to take down Internet meanie; raids grandma instead
rt.com ^ | 27 June, 2012 | NA

Posted on 07/02/2012 3:31:46 AM PDT by marktwain

An Evansville, Indiana SWAT team recently attempted to execute a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of an anonymous Internet user who made malicious remarks on the Web. Instead, they destroyed the home of an innocent grandmother.

When members of the Midwest town’s SWAT team plotted their raid on the alleged home of the person behind some unpleasant remarks published on an Internet forum, they invited a local television crew to accompany them so that they could catch the whole thing on camera. Instead of arresting the author of the ill-tempered posts, however, the Evansville SWAT ravaged the home of an elderly woman and confiscated her 18-year-old granddaughter’s laptop.

The SWAT team did not have the name of who they were going after. They barely even had an identity. What they did have to work with, though, was the IP address of a person who logged onto the Topix.com Web forums and made discouraging remarks about local law enforcement.

An archived copy of the thread in question reveals that the police department might have had a reason to be worried. “Cops be aware,” a person using the handle usarmy wrote on Topix. The thread began when another user claimed that the home addresses of Evansville Police Department officers had been leaked and was spreading online, and usarmy was hardly the first person to reply. When the person behind that username did write a response, however, they had some things to say that didn’t sit well with the EPD. In between a slew of self-censored expletives, the author implied that they were considering an attack on an unspecified member of the police department.

“4th of July a cops house gonna get hit. dont care about your kids or btchs lives. I dnt even care bout my own life. I got my reasons..times ticking,” reads one post from usarmy.

“I am proud of my county, but I hate police of any kind,” reads another. “I have explosives.:) made in America.Evansville will feel my pain.guess who's in the river.”

Acting on the assumed planned act of aggression, officials were able to figure out the author’s IP address. As several courts have ruled recently, though, that isn’t enough to exactly single out a certain home, let alone a person. While an Internet Protocol address can be linked to a computer, any person who accesses that network’s WiFi — with or without authorization — can be linked to that IP. Only last month, in fact, New York Eastern District federal court magistrate Judge Gary Brown ruled that IP address logs can’t be used on its own to link a suspect to a crime, writing “a single IP address usually supports multiple computer devices – which unlike traditional telephones can be operated simultaneously by different individuals.” District Court Judge Howard R. Lloyd made essentially the same ruling one month earlier in a Northern District of California courtroom.

Ira Milan, whose house ended up targeted by the authorities, tells the Evansville Courier & Press that she thinks the author of the posts used her granddaughter’s Internet connection from an outside location. Police Chief Billy Bolin says it is much more cut and dry, though.

We have no way of being able to tell that,” Bolin tells the Courier, adding that the messages “definitely come back to that address.”

Police reps tell the Courier that they obtained a search warrant for computer equipment at Milan’s house so that they could collect whatever devices may have been used to make the anonymous posts. Responding to an inquiry from the paper, though, the Vanderburgh County Clerk’s Office was initially unable to locate a copy of the document; Vanderburgh County Prosecutor Nick Hermann also refused to comply with the request. When Bolin was asked by the media to materialize the warrant, he deferred their plea and insisted that producing the paper could compromise the investigation. What Bolin did have to say, however, was that the document did not contain the names of any suspects.

“We have an idea in our mind who it is, but we don’t have evidence yet,” Bolin explains to the Courier.

Even still, the department says that the hunch was enough to throw two flash-bang stun grenades into the front window of Ira Milan’s home. The Courier Press reports that the front door was open at the time of the incident.

“To bring a whole SWAT team seems a little excessive,” says Milan.

Authorities say it should prove their point, though.

“This is a big deal to us,” Sgt. Jason Cullum, a police department spokesman, tells the Courier Press. “This may be just somebody who was online just talking stupid. What I would suggest to anybody who visits websites like that is that their comments can be taken literally.”

A day after the raid, 18-year-old Stephanie Milan’s cellphone and laptops were still being held by police.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; in; swat
This is not a spoof. There are local articles on the net collaberating this story.

The front door was open, but they still felt the need to throw to flash bang grenades, one through a window.

It appears that a grandmother and teen should own the police department.

1 posted on 07/02/2012 3:31:54 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The reflexive response seems tailor-made for an act of terrorism. All a terrorist needs to do is find a house with an unsecured wifi, post messages from that IP making threats against the police and local politicians, then wait for the response from a distant sniper position.


2 posted on 07/02/2012 3:39:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: marktwain
Have been following this and no where have they explained how the police knew that the grandma did NOT make “malicious remark".
3 posted on 07/02/2012 3:48:45 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: marktwain

Grannie just won the lottery with the local news filming the whole thing.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 3:56:08 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: hoosiermama

Profiling?


5 posted on 07/02/2012 3:56:21 AM PDT by st.eqed
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To: marktwain

Black booted thugs. The law enforcement have resources to prove who live in the house. The census could be referred to. A common stake out could have been used. Other methods.

No these black boot thugs, they wanted to use their new world order tactics that they have been practicing and show the media and the other serfs and the kingdom who were in charge. These were NOT law enforcement, these were thugs.

Well, it backfired. Time to charge the moat, people.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 4:00:21 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: marktwain

Yah....so why not park an unmarked car at the end of the street and wait for someone to come out to go to the store?

What is it with these SWAT teams? They legitimize the talk they’re scared of.....


7 posted on 07/02/2012 4:05:34 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: marktwain
"When members of the Midwest town’s SWAT team plotted their raid on the alleged home of the person behind some unpleasant remarks published on an Internet forum"

That's a scary-ass thought right there!!!

8 posted on 07/02/2012 4:12:10 AM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: mo

to protect and serve — just the way aliens serve people, broiled, baked, fried, bbq’d. soylent green - armed, brainless, heartless uniforms hate civilians and we pay them to be this way. time will come when a really bad guy does one of them in and the population will feel no sympathy.


9 posted on 07/02/2012 4:15:08 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: marktwain
It appears that a grandmother and teen should own the police department.

You know that wil never happen. The police will have been found to have "followed departmental guidelines." The victims were lucky they weren't murdered by the police, because if they were the murderers would not be prosecuted.

10 posted on 07/02/2012 4:16:14 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: st.eqed

Little Ol Grandmas?


11 posted on 07/02/2012 4:26:27 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: PapaBear3625
find a house with an unsecured wifi
      ^politician's
12 posted on 07/02/2012 4:32:52 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: marktwain

The problem is that there are not enough car chases for these guy to get their rocks off on.

They love car chases, If a chase starts they can all go balls to the wall to join it. 15 cars screaming around with lights and sirens chasing one teen aged kid, and beating the crap out of him at the end of it.

The next best thing is dressing up in their SWAT stuff, armed to the teeth and tearing down a Grandmothers door.
Maybe they will get to put 25 or 30 bullets in a Marine Veteran, and kill his dog too.

Remember when the police advertised that they were your friends?Now the thing to remember is that they are not your friends and anything you say or do will be used against you.
Be careful what you say without your attorney present.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 4:48:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain
When members of the Midwest town’s SWAT team plotted their raid on the alleged home of the person behind some unpleasant remarks published on an Internet forum, they invited a local television crew to accompany them so that they could catch the whole thing on camera.

This should be banned. There are multiple examples of tragedies caused or exacerbated by cops playing to the camera.

Does anybody think the decision to use the flash-bangs was not influenced by their cinematic value?

14 posted on 07/02/2012 4:52:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain

An 18 year-old grandma. Interesting.


15 posted on 07/02/2012 4:53:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: marktwain

Gramdma can consider herself veru fortunate that she was not shot full of holes and killed graveyard dead. Ditto to everyone else who might have been in the house. The way things are going, it won’t be very long before the SWAT teams use fragamentation grenades instead of conclussion grenades, a/k/a “flash bangs”.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 4:53:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: AppyPappy

18 year ol granddaughter..


17 posted on 07/02/2012 5:04:02 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: marktwain

Just think if Grandma had been lighting a cigarette with a lighter shaped like a gun as they busted in. She would have been shot dead.

I’m surprised their dog or the neighbor’s wasn’t shot.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 5:09:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain
the SWAT team (& TV crew); were so disjointed/disappointed..
not one dog/cat was shot barking/meowing (menacing).
...was that (@ the very least) incendiary?..i might get SWATTed.
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Vladimir Lenin

19 posted on 07/02/2012 5:13:00 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: marktwain

20 posted on 07/02/2012 5:17:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: hoosiermama

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/jul/01/no-headline-—ev_threat/

Basically some guy turned himself in (to the paper, strangely) - lived two houses down the street and indeed was using the wifi of the house that was raided. Apparently saw the raid.

Really oddly written article - police were looking for a (different) 21 year old guy they thought was at the address raided who also was in unspecified “troubling” photos (I bet there were pictures of him with a.........GUN or something horrific like that.)


21 posted on 07/02/2012 5:22:28 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Venturer

One day.... This is going to happen to a law abiding citizen where the citizen turns the tables on these thugs. Imagine the thugs being hunted down individually in their homes while they are sitting down for dinner. Someone is going to snap. Especially when innocents are gunned down by a SWAT team due to a “mistake”. I hope it never happens, but I believe it will. (no, not by me, I don’t own guns anymore)
If I was on a jury for the citizen, (If he has one) I wouldn’t convict him.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 5:27:18 AM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: marktwain
WHO wears masks in the commission of criminal conduct or "executing their duties?"

Bank Robbers:

6a00d83452358f69e20168e82acc71970c-800wi

Anarchists:

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Islamic Jihadist Terrorists:

051704bergnick

Oh yeah, and COWARDLY SWAT Team members
who are afraid to have their identity known....
for what reason, one might ask rhetorically...
as if we didn't know???

swatSuperStock_1245-W644

23 posted on 07/02/2012 5:30:18 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: hoosiermama
I think you have it wrong. Grandma has nothing to prove.
24 posted on 07/02/2012 5:37:52 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: marktwain

Well, if you are making specific threats to murder people and commit acts of terrorism, then yeah, that is an instance I can see where the SWAT team approach might be warranted. One of the very few instances.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 6:06:38 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BigpapaBo

Yes: I lost all of my guns in the big Duck Hunting mishap a few years back.


26 posted on 07/02/2012 6:33:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: BigpapaBo
What the police don't seem to comprehend is that if some nutjob wants
them, there is nothing to stop them. Sure the nut may be killed in the end
but it's not rocket science to stalk or kill anybody.

I fear that too many will die before the police rage ends.
And they used the media to show off their (Look at us) asses.

27 posted on 07/02/2012 7:03:46 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: mo

Zactly!

But hey, they have to justify the pile of moolah blown on all that nifty SWAT shite some way.

Sounds a bit CS to raid Granny instead of some potentially well armed jerk, then again CS is interchangable with LEO.


28 posted on 07/02/2012 7:05:40 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: marktwain
Dude definitely doesn't want to be posting how he's gonna 'hit' a cop's house and that he's got explosives.

That said, they need a lot less gestapo and a lot more information gathering.

29 posted on 07/02/2012 7:13:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: starlifter
Since I'm a grandma and might make a comment or two, was being a bit sarcastic.
30 posted on 07/02/2012 7:44:31 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: Strategerist

Thanks for the update.


31 posted on 07/02/2012 7:45:43 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: hoosiermama
mea culpa
32 posted on 07/02/2012 8:13:25 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: BigpapaBo
Actually these things have happened but are sent down the memory hole after appearing in the news. A decade or more ago a mentally disturbed man who had violated no laws but who aggravated Alexandria Virginia cops by conducting ‘counter surveillance’ of them was visited by the Prince William County Virginia Swat team. As the Swat boys were just about to break down his door this citizen , who was not napping, suddenly opened the front door and shot the commander of the Swat team in the throat . It was a fatal wound. The rest of the team then fled in disarray and started firing on the residence. Many more cops arrived and an extended gun battle ensued.The resident kept firing at the army of police and sent a couple more to the hospital. Eventually after several thousand rounds were fired by the forces of order the resident was fatally wounded. The Prince William County cops were obviously enraged that they had been made look like fools and their was a lot of hot air vented about the need for more gun control laws. Something, I am happy to say , the Old Dominion has been universally resistant to. I am sure there have been other such events when one man has managed at the risk of his life to make an army of heavily armed state officials look like Santa Anna at the Alamo.
33 posted on 07/02/2012 8:15:37 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: marktwain

“To bring a whole SWAT team seems a little excessive,” says Milan.

Authorities say it should prove their point, though.

OH Yeah. Their point. Which is.. ?


34 posted on 07/02/2012 9:03:33 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: robowombat

SWAT teams behave like Keystone Cops with military grade weapons. They need to be disbanded, except possibly for one or two units per state associated with the State Police agencies, which usually have better standards than the local cops.


35 posted on 07/02/2012 9:08:34 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: BigpapaBo
. Imagine the thugs being hunted down individually in their homes while they are sitting down for dinner.

I'm surprised this isn't already happening. Maybe it is, but they aren't reporting it.

36 posted on 07/02/2012 9:09:21 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: robowombat
I believe you should have said, "Santa Ana at San Jacinto."...
37 posted on 07/02/2012 11:35:37 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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Well in this case it was like the Alamo as the massive police fire power did prevail over a lone rather screwed up individual. The disproportionate force correlation and the siege of a private residence was Alamo like. The Prince William PD didn't do much crowing but tried to cause this fellows family some grief for financially supporting him and ‘allowing him to have guns’. The bottom line was this man committed no crimes. It is not a crime to surveil police or while foolish it is not criminal to write down plate numbers of police vehicles parked in a restaurant parking lot. (The Alexandria Virginia Police liked to gather at the Sizzler that was then on King Street where the new Alexandria Library is now located. This fellow would collect their plate numbers. One Alexandria cop caught his plate number and ran it and from that his address was found out and a complaint sent to the Prince William cops that this fellow was some sort of menace. Prince William County decided to send the jack booted thugs forth to crush this guy. Unfortunately it didn't quite go down that way.) This was the first example of real disproportionate overreaction and use of paramilitary tactics for no reason against a citizen I had encountered. I thought it was very disturbing and the ‘he had it coming’ attitude of most coworkers to be even more disturbing. Admittedly these people were federal employees who have a definite bias in favor of what ever the state does.
38 posted on 07/02/2012 2:23:05 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: marktwain

So, a few people post online comments in response to an apparent police abuse story. In response to online comments, the police break into the home of innocent citizens who are minding their own business.

Typical government incompetency, I suppose.

Yet if any non-police officer would take the same remark (don’t care about myself, your lady or your kids), they would tell the person with the report to come back when the person actually *did* something.


39 posted on 07/03/2012 1:05:03 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: robowombat
I was wrong. Although that loner did inflict some damage, the overall balance of forces and eventual outcome is much more like the Alamo. Good analogy!!

Ever since the ATF/FBI Waco assault/siege, I have been half-way expecting some vengeful nut/group to stuff the walls of some old house with explosives and shrapnel -- then phone in a tip that the house was full of auto-sears and "machine guns"...

I suppose the tragically mis-directed response by McVeigh/Nichols was the closest approximation "the wacko fringe" has made so far...

40 posted on 07/03/2012 5:32:36 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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