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Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won't Fight Obamatax!
Breitbart ^ | 7/2/12 | Joel B. Pollak

Posted on 07/02/2012 10:47:53 AM PDT by Nachum

The Obama campaign has seized on remarks made by Romney adviser Eric "Etch-A-Sketch" Fehrnstrom this morning on MSNBC, to the effect that the individual mandate in Obamacare (and Romneycare) is not a tax. Fehrnstrom allowed Chuck Todd to push him off message--and re-ignited the fears that conservatives have long had about Romney's will and ability to fight. In response, conservatives--who had just coalesced around opposition to what many now call "Obamatax": Mitt, start fighting, or give up and let someone else do it.

Fehrnstrom's point--in defense of Romneycare--was that the Supreme Court was wrong to uphold Obamacare under the taxing power. The individual mandate was never intended to be a tax, Congress never called it a tax, and it wasn't a tax in Massachusetts, either. Fine--but now that Obama's lawyers went to court and called it a tax, and Chief Justice John Roberts called it a tax (and spare us the non-distinction between "tax" and the "taxing power") Obamacare is, undeniably, a massive tax on the middle class. Obama lied. It's that simple.

The GOP primary is over, and this is not a mistake that Fehrnstrom can merely shake away. It's going to be used--and already is being used--by the Obama campaign to save itself from the tax argument, and to label Romney as a liar (when that label belongs squarely on Obama, who campaigned against Hillary Clinton's individual mandate in 2008). Perhaps this is why Rupert Murdoch has been calling openly for Romney to "drop...old friends from [his] team and hire...some real pros," as he did on Twitter yesterday.

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Obamatax
1 posted on 07/02/2012 10:47:54 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 07/02/2012 10:49:07 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

He said the day the court decision he would repeal it.


3 posted on 07/02/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Nachum

Murdoch was apparently underwhelmed after meeting the Mittster.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 10:51:25 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Nachum
Quit Now If You Won't Fight Obamatax!

Yes, because having Obama run unopposed is the bestest strategy. You betcha.

5 posted on 07/02/2012 10:54:01 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Nachum

Willard needs to sign a pledge to nominate no more Roberts or Souters.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: humblegunner

The ‘logic’ of Humblegunner...

300 million people in America and only Mitt Romney can run for President.

Has there ever been a day you applied rational thought to a post? Or one that didn’t make a snarky ‘implication’ about Palin?

Just wonderin’...


7 posted on 07/02/2012 11:07:32 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: edcoil

If I recall, he said repeal and replace. Not what I wanted to hear. I do not want it replaced.


8 posted on 07/02/2012 11:08:14 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Nachum

The new and improved tax on life.

Romney: Use when lying and looting just aren’t quite enough to bring conservatives into the fold.


9 posted on 07/02/2012 11:10:07 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Nachum

The new and improved tax on life.

Romney: Use when lying and looting just aren’t quite enough to bring conservatives into the fold.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 11:10:58 AM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Nachum
BEHOLD THE GOP’s CHAMPION = MR.ROMNEYCARE
IMPOSING OBAMACARE AND RomneyDEATHPANELS.

Mitt Romney wins much coveted Jimmy Carter endorsement

Gore Praises Romney's 'Climate Protection Plan'

Carville(D):
"It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing.
Romney is an ascendant guy
."

Sen. John Kerry (D) to Don Imus on RomneyCARE:
"I like this health care bill".

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) on RomneyCARE:
"To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable."

George Soros Wants Mitt Romney


11 posted on 07/02/2012 11:12:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Paladin2

His history indicates he would more likely nominate a Kagan.


12 posted on 07/02/2012 11:12:21 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: edcoil

Mitt won’t fight Obamatax, he won’t repeal it and he won’t quit since he believes he is fulfilling prophecy.

Mitt will just lie, say he will fight it (or repeal it) then break his promise if he gets elected.

That boy has been trained his whole life to lie to get what he wants.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 11:13:15 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart
300 million people in America and only Mitt Romney can run for President.

I'd be pleased to see you point out a couple of other options.

Of the realistic variety, if you please. You know.. serious contenders, no fantasy football.

Got none? I thought not.

14 posted on 07/02/2012 11:13:15 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; humblegunner
300 million people in America and only Mitt Romney can run for President.

OK, now tell us who are the candidates, other than Obama or Romney, that have any chance of winning the presidential general election in November?

It's one thing to say you won't vote for Romney. It's another to pretend there is any other choice than Obama, Mitt, or a symbolic vote for a third-party candidate that will have absolutely no bearing on who wins.

15 posted on 07/02/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Nachum

I read another story on same topic in which he said he fully agreed with the entire Scalia response which included the Scalia opinion that it wasn’t a tax.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 11:15:58 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: humblegunner

At the convention, if enough of the delegates simply abstain from voting during the first round (which it is COMPLETELY “legal” and ethical to do), That will deny romny the required delegates and therefore “open up” the convention. Romnys delegates are only required to vote for him (or abstain) during the first round. After that, they can vote for whomever they choose, it doesn’t even have to be one of the folks who ran in the primary.

The best strategy is to get a candidate that wasn’t the first to implement socialized health care, who also nominated liberal judges almost exclusively, who declared himself a “progressive”, etc... etc... etc...

Lets just nominate someone that ISNT a socialist so we can ALL get behind that guy/gal and beat the sh_t out of Zero...

What needs to be done is far too important to trust to romney or any other “progressive” republican. The sh_t the SC pulled justifies us rethinking who we are going to nominate.


17 posted on 07/02/2012 11:16:08 AM PDT by myself6 (NOT voting for the GOP's socialist - Romney)
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To: edcoil

And I said I’d win the Lottery.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 11:16:17 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Nachum

Glory Be to God!!! The Conservatives are waking up and want to kick Romney to the curb and put someone else in his sted.....My answers are getting answered!!!!


19 posted on 07/02/2012 11:16:39 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, what HE said!


20 posted on 07/02/2012 11:16:47 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Nachum
I am still waiting for Mr. Romney to explain A) how he will "repeal" it on day one, and B) what he will "replace" it with.

I have the feeling that he will not go into any details and that the statement is simply a "sound bite" to pump up the numbed masses!

21 posted on 07/02/2012 11:16:57 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: Paladin2

yeah, like that would stop him. Anyone here SERIOUSLY think any pledge by Romney means squat?


22 posted on 07/02/2012 11:17:39 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Nachum
"Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won't Fight Obamatax!"

Fixed it!

Of course Rommney will fight the Obamacare tax penalty. He'll restructure it into a tax credit to do the same exact effect.

23 posted on 07/02/2012 11:18:58 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: humblegunner

If Romney were to get hit by an asteroid and eraced from the planet, am I to believe the GOP would just say “WE back OBama!” and call it a day?

Nope.

There are a number of ‘realistic’ options. Newt, Perry, Cain, Bachmann, and every other candidate who campaigned for the nomination. They were so realistic people sent them millions of dollars.

SOMEBODY out here thinks they were/are ‘realistic’.

Not you though. Only Mitt can win apparently. Hey. it’s your right to be wrong.

Oops I forgot the one who attracted the largest crowds, generated the biggest press and raised millions without even asking. And that upsets you more than all the rest of potential replacements put together.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 11:18:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: humblegunner

Humble, you’re being a bit daft on this one.

The poster wants Mitt to quit the race (if he’s not going to burn ObamaTax to the ground and salt the earth afterwards).

If Mitt were to read his post and quit the race (!) the convention would decide who the new GOP candidate would be.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 11:19:48 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: humblegunner
You know...if you are going to gig every other FReeper for spelling.......

"Bestest" ain't a word, HG.

26 posted on 07/02/2012 11:19:48 AM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: myself6
At the convention, if enough of the delegates simply abstain from voting during the first round (which it is COMPLETELY “legal” and ethical to do), That will deny romny the required delegates and therefore “open up” the convention. Romnys delegates are only required to vote for him (or abstain) during the first round. After that, they can vote for whomever they choose, it doesn’t even have to be one of the folks who ran in the primary.

And you seriously think that would happen because? You have to face reality at some point. Romney didn't spend five years and millions of dollars to have it all fall apart in Tampa. He will have a small army keeping all the cats herded, and most of those cats WANT to be herded.

As much as I would like to have someone other than Romney, he is for all practical purposes the candidate now. Nothing is to be gained by wishfully thinking otherwise.

27 posted on 07/02/2012 11:20:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Nachum

Mitt sees Obamatax as one thing only: a stepping stone to help him into the WH. Once there, Mitt has his heart’s desire, and all bets are off.


28 posted on 07/02/2012 11:21:12 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: agere_contra
If Mitt were to read his post and quit the race (!) the convention would decide who the new GOP candidate would be.

Gee, let's see. Mitt just spent five years and millions of dollars - including a fair chunk of his own coin - winnning the nomination. Do you seriously think he would, barring an incredible scandal or serious illness, walk away from it now?

I think not.

29 posted on 07/02/2012 11:21:58 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: napscoordinator
My answers are getting answered!!!!

You never fail to provide a laugh...............

30 posted on 07/02/2012 11:23:21 AM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Nachum

If you haven’t yet seen (or watched in a while) Aaron Russo’s documentary, “AMERICA — From Freedom To Fascism (Full Length Documentary)” I recommend taking two hours to do so and while viewing, contemplate the narrative through the lens of the SCOTUS recent decision. Also note that Justice Roberts makes a brief appearance in this film! That was eerie. The IRS is massively expanded under ACA. Just how are we going to stop them without equal mass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8RtL3azDg&feature=related


31 posted on 07/02/2012 11:23:36 AM PDT by Rona_Badger (Heeds the Calling Wind)
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To: Nachum
The GOP primary is over, and this is not a mistake that Fehrnstrom can merely shake away.

How is it a mistake? Despite the claims of John Roberts to the contrary, it IS a penalty, not a tax. The author of this piece is in the strange position of demanding Fehrnstrom run with Robert's distortion to score political points.

32 posted on 07/02/2012 11:25:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: napscoordinator

Scalia also said it is not a tax, in the dissent. Do we disagree with Scalia and agree with Roberts on this?

However, yes, Romney should consider firing this guy for stupid comments.


33 posted on 07/02/2012 11:27:51 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Nachum
Gotta love the last sentence of the article:Amen!
34 posted on 07/02/2012 11:28:19 AM PDT by upchuck (FACEBOOK... Share pointless stuff with friends you don't know. Beg for intrusion into your life.)
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To: txrefugee
"Murdoch was apparently underwhelmed after meeting the Mittster"

Why wouldn't he be underwhelmed? Everyone is. Everyone is with good reason. Romney sucks.

Unfortunately either he or Obama will be the next president of the USA. Who do you prefer it be?


35 posted on 07/02/2012 11:28:55 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: dirtboy

hate Romney. I hate him more than Obama because he tells us that he’s out friend.

But I’m very afraid that we’re going to end up splitting the vote and keeping Obama.

Romney was the worst choice that came out of the primaries. We slit our own throats there.


36 posted on 07/02/2012 11:29:42 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Nachum
Yes, quit now mitt if you're not going to fight and get rid of OBAMATAX.
And stop this crap about replacing it with your own little pet project.
I don't want you inflicting your nonsense on me and mine.
37 posted on 07/02/2012 11:30:52 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Norm Lenhart
Newt, Perry, Cain, Bachmann, and every other candidate who campaigned for the nomination.

All preferable to Romney and all now lacking in organization and funds to compete.

SOMEBODY out here thinks they were/are ‘realistic’.

Yeah, focus on that "were" part. YOU lot thrashed them all in hopes of opening the road for Palin.

Not you though. Only Mitt can win apparently.

He's the only one with the machine for it at present.

Oops I forgot the one who attracted the largest crowds

Is that the same one who didn't even TRY to run?

38 posted on 07/02/2012 11:31:51 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Looks like Humblegunner got the zot.

LOL.


39 posted on 07/02/2012 11:33:17 AM PDT by History Repeats (If Obama had a son, he'd have his picture hanging on the wall of the Post office wanted board.)
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To: ImpBill

Mitt’s Plan

On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution

Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability

Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote “co-insurance” products
Promote alternatives to “fee for service”
Encourage “Consumer Reports”-type ratings of alternative insurance plans

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
__________________________________________________________

He has a plan and it’s not too bad. The question is can we believe him that he’ll try and implement it?


40 posted on 07/02/2012 11:35:30 AM PDT by free me (Roberts killed America)
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To: I see my hands

“Who do you prefer it be?”

You ABO apologists really have to get over the fact that the system allows for more thn two options.

You have a choice. You can willingly abandon what you claim you believe in and vote Romney or vote for ANY conservative. If you choose to abandon what you believe in, then just vote for Obama and be done with it.

All those founding father quotes mean anything to you or were they just words? Considering many of them died for their beliefs, it’s a slap in their faces to so casually abandon everything they fought and “died” for.

Your choice.


41 posted on 07/02/2012 11:35:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Nachum

He should.

But he won’t.

Because that would require principles.

Of which he has none.


42 posted on 07/02/2012 11:36:14 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: History Repeats

No, he put that on his page and gets his yucks when someone falls for it.


43 posted on 07/02/2012 11:37:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Unfortunately either Romney or Obama will be the next president of the USA. Who do you prefer? A two word answer will suffice.

44 posted on 07/02/2012 11:37:52 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: dirtboy

I make a living on coming up with ways to make “impossible” things happen. Its because losers like you are the rule and not the exception that we have so much damn failure out there. I mean WTF? you admit you have no ideas and your resigned to failure.. Fine, shut up and get out of the way of people who DO have ideas, maybe even support them...

Those delegates are still “republicans” and are still (theoretically) anti-socialized healthcare. They are also human with human emotions.

What the SC pulled last week can be used to undermine their “desire” to be “herded” by romney. This turns EVERYTHING on its head and raises the tension significantly. These delegates, CAN be influenced to turn against Mr. Romney care. Just takes a few folks dedicated enough to beating socialism, (and an inside track) to make it happen.


45 posted on 07/02/2012 11:38:21 AM PDT by myself6 (NOT voting for the GOP's socialist - Romney)
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To: Nachum

Amen, if there are still any Mittbots here, please get the word to him.

Mitt, if your people monitor this site, Wake Up!!!


46 posted on 07/02/2012 11:38:39 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: free me


Mitt RomneyCARE (D, Shapeshifter): "I'm not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values.
That's not what brings me to the race.

(Backstabber Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan




Romney (Carpetbagger shapeshifter, D, RINO): ”I'm very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth
my "R" didn't stand so much for Republican as it does for reform.
"
(Flip-flop chameleon artiste and Mitt RomneyCARE
Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs
 which must not be compromised to political expediency
or simply to swell its numbers."

--  President Ronald Reagan


47 posted on 07/02/2012 11:42:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: myself6
I make a living on coming up with ways to make “impossible” things happen.

Yeah, you did such a bang-up job during the primaries, I can't wait to see the results you get dislodging Mitt in Tampa.

Its because losers like you are the rule and not the exception that we have so much damn failure out there

Loser? Hardly. I just know a fools errand when I see one.

48 posted on 07/02/2012 11:43:06 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: humblegunner

I was talking about Santorum. Remember him? He was the last man standing with all the reporters writing article after article on whether he’s stick it out? All those people sending hom donation after donation even before their candidates dropped out - To keep Mitt at bay? There were hundreds of threads here You need to seek help over that unhealthy Palin fixation of yours.

And BTW, I supported Cain and then hesitantly, Newt after Palin announced she wouldn’t run. I didn’t ‘trash’ either. Perry and Bachmann I held to their record/statements.

If you MUST lie, at least check my post history first. This is what? the 4th time you’ve been caught with your clue missing?


49 posted on 07/02/2012 11:44:37 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: History Repeats
Looks like Humblegunner got the zot.

Does it now, Zippy?

LOL.

"LOL" at your mama.

50 posted on 07/02/2012 11:46:35 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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