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Newly uncovered documents show Elizabeth Warren’s ancestors listed as ‘white’
Daily Caller ^ | 07/02/2012 | Alex Pappas

Posted on 07/02/2012 2:54:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Newly uncovered documents posted on a blog show that two ancestors of Massachusetts U.S. Senate hopeful Elizabeth Warren were listed on government forms as “white,” despite the Democratic candidate repeatedly saying that she comes from Native American heritage.

Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes posted census data on her blog this weekend that she says shows that Warren’s mother, Pauline Herring, listed herself as “white” in 1940.

Barnes also posted a death certificate for Warren’s “Aunt Bea,” who was listed as “white” on the form. Elizabeth Warren’s name is listed on the death certificate.

The Democratic candidate once famously cited her Aunt Bea’s characteristically Native American “high cheekbones”as evidence of her American-Indian ancestry.

Warren has been embroiled in a controversy over her claimed heritage ever since it was revealed that the Harvard law professor once touted herself as an American Indian minority.

She has since struggled to prove this, and critics argue that she claimed that heritage to further her career.

Barnes’ revelation that Warren’s mother identified as “white” conflicts with a story she has told about her parents eloping over her mother’s heritage.

“In the 1930s, when my parents got married, these were hard issues,” Warren said. “My father’s family so objected to my mother’s Native American heritage that my mother told me they had to elope.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: elizabethwarren; indian; warren

1 posted on 07/02/2012 2:54:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Any word on high cheek bone listings?


2 posted on 07/02/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think Elizabeth Warren even tans well.....


3 posted on 07/02/2012 2:59:45 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: libertarian27
I don’t think Elizabeth Warren even tans well.....

Not tanned or flayed...scourged maybe.

4 posted on 07/02/2012 3:03:16 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Anthropologists and ethno-historians will be thrilled that at last Elizabeth Warren has been able to prove that the legendary "white Indian" tribe is not just legend.
5 posted on 07/02/2012 3:03:19 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: SeekAndFind

So what happens now?


6 posted on 07/02/2012 3:05:37 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
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To: SeekAndFind
She lied.

She's a democrat.

The MSM plays this like it's a joke. They would NOT do the same for a Republican.

7 posted on 07/02/2012 3:07:49 PM PDT by GOPJ (Way to go Kraft Foods. I now associate your brand with anal sex.(Oreo cookies) Freeper agere_contra)
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To: spokeshave
Don't follow the white buffalo

(Every picture I see of this twit - looks like she's on the verge of tears and she doesn't have an inkling of the trail of tears....ok, maybe wikipedia...)

8 posted on 07/02/2012 3:08:06 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Newly uncovered documents show Elizabeth Warren’s ancestors listed as ‘white’

They could have been white Indians like Zimmerman is a white Hispanic?
9 posted on 07/02/2012 3:09:51 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“So what happens now?”

She gets elected to the Senate. There’s an understanding amongst dems that this ethnic stuff doesn’t matter for dems because they have pure motives.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 3:10:24 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: aruanan

Sure they are. ;>)))))


11 posted on 07/02/2012 3:17:15 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lizzy Warren is a fraud. The fact she refused to speak with the Indians that tried to see her says volumes.


12 posted on 07/02/2012 3:18:19 PM PDT by upchuck (FACEBOOK... Share pointless stuff with friends you don't know. Beg for intrusion into your life.)
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To: upchuck
The "volumes" are easily discovered on the net. Not all Cherokee are nice people. At least one band has been engaged with the the Delaware off and on for more than a century ~ much of it about taking back land they'd sold, and whether or not the other guys are really Indians.

It's great reading. BTW, I wouldn't talk to those particular Cherokee either until they showed me their blue ID cards so I could find out what bad they purported to represent. Fur Shur I wouldn't talk to them if they were the guys trying to kick out the black Cherokee.

13 posted on 07/02/2012 3:22:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

First, let me say that Warren is a complete fraud but in all fairness, my original birth certificate says I am “white”. Later when my tribe started to organize and make a roll, my dad had us kids legally changed to Indian. Of course my mom (3/4) and grandmother and her mother were still living and on the rolls. Both full blood. Warren can’t come up with any blood what so ever. My point being , how much does “white” mean on ones BC?


14 posted on 07/02/2012 3:23:13 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: SeekAndFind
No, No, No, Elizabeth Warren isn't 'white' in the traditional sense of being Caucasian, she is white in the sense of being an albino, and through the generations, through interbreeding and excessive applications of Coppertone(c), her family finally began to take on the color of Native Americans, i.e., that sorta dark beige pigmentation which is complimented with head feathers and cheap moccasins that are sold at Pedro's 'South of the Border' conveniently located on I-95, just down the road from Boston.

Happy to help clear this up.
15 posted on 07/02/2012 3:33:50 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: mkjessup

at least she HAS a birth certificate !


16 posted on 07/02/2012 3:38:24 PM PDT by nevermorelenore
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To: fish hawk

BC - Before Coppertone?


17 posted on 07/02/2012 3:41:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SeekAndFind

Ancestors listed as ‘white’. Don’t you just hate that. Not as much as Obummer and the Wookie having ancestors listed as ‘white’. Oh the horrors, how can they sleep at night?


18 posted on 07/02/2012 3:44:13 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I do not understand why this is still in doubt. With the Cherokee tribe, you are only Cherokee if the government said so. If you cannot trace direct linage to a person on the Dawes roll then you are NOT a Cherokee. That is how the government sees it, that is how the Cherokee tribe sees it. I was always told two branches of my family were Cherokee- found one branch on the Dawes roll, not the other. There were likely many Cherokee that for one reason or another were not listed, but you are NOT Cherokee if you don’t have an ancestor on there.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 3:48:58 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: SeekAndFind
She's a post-modern “progressive.” Thus, the fact that she felt herself to be a Cherokee in her inner narrative is far more important than actual, factual, inconvenient truth.

Look at the polls: None of her lies have hurt her support. The people of Massachusetts are going to elect a fantasist to the US Senate.

But it should come as no surprise. She's hardly the only prominent political figure who has trouble telling the truth about who she actually is, and who is more concerned with fictions in that regard than facts.

20 posted on 07/02/2012 3:51:30 PM PDT by mojito
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To: SeekAndFind
Maybe lizzy would like to have a DNA analysis done to establish her Cherokee bona fides.

Nah...probably not.

21 posted on 07/02/2012 3:56:03 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DNA tests can prove if she has even a drop.


Not to defend her but there are a lot of people that would list themselves as “white” for various reasons. Think about how many light skinned blacks did this in the not so distant past.

My dad’s mom hated that she was part Cherokee and would lie about it.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 4:38:54 PM PDT by CARDINALRULES (Tough times never last -Tough people do. DK57 -- 6-22-02)
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To: CARDINALRULES

“DNA tests can prove if she has even a drop.”

Actually, no. Heredity doesn’t quite work that way, nor does genealogical DNA testing function like your statement would imply.

Let’s start with the basics - if you were to conceive a child said child would derive 50% of his or her genetic material from you and 50% from his or her other parent (ignoring trisomy or some other form of aneuploidy, and further ignoring the added complexities that recombination would bring into the following definition). Likewise, should said child mature and go on to conceive a grandchild for you, said grandchild would inherit 50% of his or her genetic material from one if his or her parents, and the other 50% from the other parent.

Stop. Which chromosomes and alleles did your hypothetical grandchild inherit from YOU? He or she didn’t by definition inherit 25% of his or her genome from you, although that’s certainly a possibility and is likely close to the statistical mean. It’s possible that your grandchild has received 50% of his or her genetic makeup from you, and it’s possible that he or she has received 0% from you (ignoring the possibility of inbreeding). It is functionally possible that your genetic line could completely die out, even though your offspring continue to live and breed, with your biological grandchildren or great grandchildren having absolutely no direct inheritance of genetic material from you personally.

It is important to understand the effect that degrees of separation have upon population genetics. Each time you take the genetic deck of cards, shuffle it, halve it, and shuffle it again in with another half of a different deck, you move by some degrees away from the origin of the cards. With enough shuffling and halving, it’s not just a possibility but a CERTAINTY that some cards will be lost forever, never to be seen again. Given luck, or sufficient shuffling, you will reach a point where you lose an entire deck.

It’s physically possible for a pair of siblings, with the same father and mother, to have precisely zero shared genetic material. Infinitesimally improbable, granted, and possibly has never occurred and may never occur, but it is still functionally possible. The specifics of meiosis adds in some additional complexity to the equation that makes this even more amazingly unlikely, but it still remains a possibility.

That’s in a nutshell how inheritance functions. In reality it’s quite a bit more complicated, but that should serve well enough as a basic illustration. The summary of that is as follows: just because you are a bona fide direct biological descendant of a person many generations back doesn’t guarantee that you share any of his or her genetic material - it could easily have been lost in the shuffling that takes place each generation.

The issue of genealogical DNA testing muddies the waters even further. Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analysis are the most common methods used for private individuals to track their ancestry, although some studies and potentially some private genealogical testing services track autosomal DNA.

The problem with mitochondrial DNA analysis is that it’s often difficult to associate a given set of variations on an X-chromosome to a specific geographic area or specific cultural group. Y-chromosomal DNA is much more easily associated with a specific peoples, but conversely it tends to disappear quickly when a new civilization becomes dominant in an area. Basically, when a new and powerful tribe or civilization conquers another tribe or civilization, historically there’s often lots of rapine and the conquerors are apt to take slaves or wives from the women of the vanquished people.

Likewise, the males of the vanquished tribe or civilization get the short end of the genetic and societal stick, if they weren’t slaughtered wholesale by the invaders that is. These realities of ancient, bloody atrocity are reflected well in the genetic record. Mitochondrial DNA tended to survive the destruction of cultures, whereas the the most common Y-chromosomal DNA in a population is often going to be more representative of the most recent and dominant culture.

The point of that explanation being that if your genealogical DNA test is merely looking at your sex chromosomes, the results may tell you nothing useful about specific ancestors of yours. If your mother’s paternal gr-grandfather was a Cherokee fellow, your Y-chromosomal analysis will tell you NOTHING about that fellow, and your mitochondrial analysis may tell you something or it may tell you nothing.


23 posted on 07/02/2012 7:40:29 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: socal_parrot
"Any word on high cheek bone listings?"

I don't know about high cheekbone listings, but since this Republic is being destroyed bit by bit, I'm thinking of claiming ancestry to my great-great grandmother, who my mother always said was a full-blooded Ojibwa, and moving to the Res.

24 posted on 07/02/2012 7:41:10 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: SeekAndFind

“She has since struggled to prove this, and critics argue that she claimed that heritage to further her career.”

That statement serves as an indictment against the racial prejudices here in America. It’s truly frightening to think that in modern-day America people are being accused of falsifying their racial pedigree in order to enhance their careers. More disturbing is the realization that lying about your race could indeed enhance your career prospects in today’s world.

It’s even more disturbing to realize that such extreme and blatant forms of racism are taking place under the farcical guise of anti-racism, because our vociferous and repugnant liberals are so obsessed with race that they consider it a badge of honor to claim to be anything but white.

I want my damn country back - this madness is just not healthy nor if allowed to continue could it ever conceivably result in a better, brighter future for coming generations of Americans.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 7:55:24 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: SeekAndFind

PhonySquaw speak with forked tongue!


26 posted on 07/02/2012 10:00:48 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: mkjessup
Who knew that I'd see SOTB/Pedro's on FReerepublic...!?

Had to stop at least one time on our many trips up/down I-95 where you see billboards for 500+ miles marking just how many more miles to see Pedro...

BTW, this nugget just cracks me up...Bernanke worked summers at SOTB while in college...

27 posted on 07/03/2012 9:18:21 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Prov1322

I remember hearing my parents talk about how they stopped at South of the Border back in January 1954, when it was nothing but a small motel and a coffee shop, it was quaint then and nothing like the huge garish attraction it is now, that was back when the main route north and south was U.S. 301 as I-95 was still in the planning stages.

As for Bernanke working there during the summer? That fits perfectly, an SOB working at SoB.


28 posted on 07/03/2012 12:55:32 PM PDT by mkjessup (As for me and my house, we all take a big hairy dump on Mohammed and the death cult called 'Islam'.)
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