Skip to comments.Commentary: Obamacare and Coming Secession
Posted on 07/02/2012 5:58:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
One of the regular callers to my local weekday radio show has been telling me for years the answer to my countrys woes is secession. He makes liberals foam at the mouth but if you take a moment to read a few more paragraphs youll see Rick from Lewes may be ahead of the curve.
Syria being the possible exception this has been a great week for totalitarians. In Washington and elsewhere across the United States the liberals claim theyve been vindicated and are planning to chair John Roberts across Capitol Hill. When I was a teenager my Grandmother Colley handed me an old worn book. A History of Pyrrhus was the title and it was a surprisingly good read. Its also why, unlike the lefties I dont need to look up the meaning of Pyrrhic Victory.
While Remember Obamacare may not have the same ring as some historic rallying cries I see tremendous opportunity for liberty loving people and the candidates seeking their votes. Every candidate for House, Senate and President opposed to the march of big government can now attach Obamacare to a weak economy and thats the positive side of todays ruling. Theres also a darker outcome increasingly on the horizon and its secession.
I think youre going to be hearing more people in polite society raising the possibility of going our own way. Do you think there are now more fellow American citizens in Arizona this week considering the meaning of sovereignty?
Some months ago I was watching MSDNC (for research purposes) and Eugene Marvin the Martian Robinson of the Washington Post was telling his host the question of state sovereignty had been answered during the Civil War. Really? The war didnt end when one side raised the white flag and admitted the other had a more valid constitutional argument. It ended when one hungry side grew weary of bleeding. One member of my radio audience this week explained liberals traditionally support the secession of portions of states. West Virginia split from a larger unit during the Civil War and when the shooting stopped and the smoke cleared it never re-entered Richmonds orbit.
There are a great many more reasons the word secession will gain more currency in political conversation. One of Eugene Robinsons fellow columnists at the Post is writing about an economic stagnation lasting for generations. Robert Samuelson is neither conservative nor liberal according to his colleagues. He writes simply about dollars and cents and Monday argued the world and its competing nations must blaze a new economic path because as weve learned domestically consumer spending as an engine of growth has limits. Such as when indebted consumers can no longer spend.
Samuelson didnt offer a solution for an obvious diagnosis. He isnt an alarmist but you dont need to be a PhD in economics to imagine life could become a serious struggle even for the traditionally comfortable of the Western World. A couple of summers ago the economist Robert Prechter writing a guest commentary for the New York Times predicted the worst economic downturn in three hundred years. Months later I saw him on television and he backed away from his warning. Then this past spring he came full circle, predicting a deflationary implosion that would rattle the globe.
Even the most brain-addled liberal understands governments cant coerce without revenue. See Greece, Spain and California. Eventually the police and jailers dont get paid and they join the looting and burning. Obamacare isnt going to break the bank. It was broken a long time ago. The weight of Obamacare and other government programs supported by borrowing and taxing are going to implode the United States. Taxpayers in some states are going to rebel when told they need to pay for bad governance in the Northeast and California. Throughout the Southwest this will be coupled with anger at supporting Central and South Americans running roughshod across borders. When Texas and the Rocky Mountain States secede the federal government wont have the resources to stamp out the rebellion.
Rick from Lewes isnt just a guy off the streets. He was an assistant at the U.S. Justice Department. Rick worked for Robert Bork. Rick argues the liberals will rejoice as the red states go their own way. It means the left can consolidate power in the remaining Decrepit States of America. Eventually the leftist empire will collapse and the walls will fall and there will be a new dawn for a liberty loving USA. But for a Justice Bork this week.
His prediction was 10 to 20 years old.
Personally, I don’t see the downside of secession. Let the Blue States pay the debt themselves.
Bump for later reading.
There is a part of me that would like to put conditions on the re-entry of said states. Unfortunately, in some cases, they won't be repentant, only seeking some relief while all the time scheming to re-institute their misery on those who are more prosperous.
Conditions would be:
1. Political leaders of said states would be imprisoned for life without possibility of parole, subject to a review of their activities in political office, and would be barred from future political office, engagement in the legal arena, or associations with government. Recidivists would invite prosecution of a capitol offense.
2. Members of the media in those states, who have engaged in blatant propaganda (knowingly or unknowingly) in support of said governments shall be banned from any future association with media activities. Recidivists and their enablers would be jailed similar to item 1.
3. Public school curricula would be reconstructed, subject to a review of subject matter. Educators would be evaluated on their history in the classroom as to whether they could continue in their careers.
4. Businesses that have been in partnership with said governments, and shown to have received favorable treatment (read:cronyism) shall have their corporate officers under review and those found to have been engaged in fraud shall be treated similar to the politicians in item 1.
5. Upon acceptance into union with the successful states, any and all laws that do not comport with the US Constitution will be null and void, and those arrested under said laws will have their cases reviewed for potential commutation of sentence or pardon.
I could think of more, but I no longer have any good will towards lefties. None.
CJ stands for “Court Jester.”
I live in Texas and I can actually see the citizens possibly considering secession. Yes, they are that angry and they want to be free. If we don't win in November PLUS keep the republicans on track to repeal Obama care then the wheels will begin to turn. I can see Texas having Perry say something to the effect of Obama care stops at the Texas border, no taxes, no penalties, no exchanges, no IRS agents. Accept it or you will be down to 49 states and counting. It sounds crazy but Obama and Roberts have put us on a path to disintegration.
The sooner we begin talking about this “polite society” the better.
First, you have the "Sanctuary Cities." Then there is Arizona attempting to control its foreign border because the elites in Washington won't do so. Now we have states talking about opting out of Obamacare.
I have been straining to figure out how the U.S. will collapse. I concluded that secession will be the mechanism. When more and more states defy Washington, how can the federal government pay for armies to suppress them?
I don’t think Federal Troops would attack fellow Americans. But you can be sure they’d be ordered to if any state attempted to seceded.
Both you are correct en mass.
The list would be a really good restart, although I would be just as happy to see them destitute, broke as the Ten Commandments first and begging for us to save them from those mean ol Nova Scotians and British Columbians.
Being a native Texan, I don’t need to say where I stand.
My conditions would be much simpler: You made your bed, now lie on it.
LIBs have been the cause of all the problems we face - loss of jobs, wastrful spending, illegals preferential treatmnet, no energy policy, disregard for the Constitution, etc. Once gone, close and bolt the door.
Possible, but I don’t think it likely in the case of a reasonably peaceable parting of the ways. I actually think that the left would be delighted to see some of the red states go it on their own. While I don’t consider myself a secesher, thanks to our scotus its well on its way to becoming a strategy openly discussed in polite company.
Great point. Then to top it off, when Putin was sworn in on May 7, 2012 - he said that Russia was NOW a “Democracy”!
That’s Not MY kind of Democracy- or Yours! How dare he! A Two faced jerk-monster! Now THAT makes me boil!
We have the best Western - Out-standing Democracy: a Constitutional Republic. All other countries want it; our valiant military men are fighting - and have laid down their lives for it. We won’t let them down.
Yes, you are right - I also read the same thing about dividing up the world. - We are one tough country! We will turn into a fire-breathing DRAGON if that ever happens! We have power! We have history of standing strong for our country! No one is going to split us up!
So...look out UN - NATO: Don’t even think of coming into our country! We will always stay SOVEREIGN! That’s it! That’s the end of it! Period, Exclaimation Mark!
Have a FANTASTIC-SUPER 4th of July!
Whenever the subject of secession comes up, my first thought is of Texas, a state with the resources to go it alone. But here's the question: aren't there too many Hispanics in that state that would not go along? I don't think of them as being steeped in and/or revolutionary on the matter of the principles of U.S. Constitution.
Your thoughts, please.
You raise valid points that are still irritants within reunited Germany. After a point, the mentality and philosophies just do not mesh anymore - of course, that is the premise behind dissolution in the first place.
“After a point, the mentality and philosophies just do not mesh anymore - of course, that is the premise behind dissolution in the first place.”
We don’t need to actually secede, just kick out of the union Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, Madison, Miami, Seattle, San Fransisco, LA and Vermont.
Give the eastern cities to Canada and the ones on the west coast make dependent republics.
A free Republic of Texas with it's own ports, own power grid and own sources of energy could protect their own borders, establish their own financial and government centers, institute a flat tax and run economic circles around the United States if it holds fast to principles of individual rights and freedoms over the power of an overintrusive government.
In fact, Texas has the medical facilities now to be the doctors of choice to all those who want to flee ObamaCare and the Canadian Health Care system as soon as they cut ties.
All we need are enough people with the vision and the courage to make it happen.