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Patient dying of thirst rang 999: Inquest hears of mother's fury at nurses who neglected son
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | July 2, 2012 | Claire Ellicott

Posted on 07/03/2012 8:34:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A young patient who died of dehydration at a leading teaching hospital phoned police from his bed because he was so thirsty, an inquest heard yesterday.

Officers arrived at Kane Gorny's bedside, but were told by nurses that he was in a confused state and were sent away.

The keen footballer and runner, 22, died of dehydration a few hours later.

A coroner had such grave concerns about the case that she referred it to police.

Yesterday an inquest was told how Mr Gorny died after blunders and neglect by 'lazy and careless' medical staff at St George's Hospital in Tooting, South London.

His mother Rita Cronin, a civil servant told Westminster Coroner's Court that staff tutted at her and repeatedly refused to listen to her concerns that her son hadn't been given vital medication.

At one point he became so desperate and upset that staff sedated and restrained him – and on the night before his death, his mother said, he was not checked on by medical staff, despite being in a room on his own.

Following his death, a nurse allegedly inquired whether the family, from Balham, South-West London, was 'finished' and asked a matron in front of them whether she could 'bag him up'.

Mr Gorny, who worked in Waitrose and was training to be a locksmith and shoe repairer, had survived a malignant brain tumour in 2008.

The cancer affected his pituitary gland, which controls the body's mechanisms, such as fluid levels. Part of his treatment included a course of steroids to regulate the fluid levels in his body. These drugs, however, weakened his bones and he was in hospital for a routine hip replacement.

Doctors told him that, without regular medication to control his fluid levels, he would die.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: dehydration; kanegorny; neglect; nhs

1 posted on 07/03/2012 8:35:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Free” health care in action.


2 posted on 07/03/2012 8:39:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is only the beginning. It's all downhill from here.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

British tax dollars at work.


3 posted on 07/03/2012 8:42:19 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Obamacare -> Shovel-ready jobs (for cemetery workers)


4 posted on 07/03/2012 8:43:56 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Coming to a health facility near you soon.


5 posted on 07/03/2012 8:47:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks Obama and Roberts, this is what I can expect! Oh wait, all I have to do is vote the right people in and they will protect me, right.


6 posted on 07/03/2012 8:52:19 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Kirkwood

“Paging Nurse Obama!You are late for your next death panel meeting”/sarc


7 posted on 07/03/2012 8:52:26 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Now you know the real reason guns are illegal in England.


8 posted on 07/03/2012 8:52:42 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They have the gumption to restrain him and sedate him, but not go give him fluids.


9 posted on 07/03/2012 8:52:42 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So they do not automatically give patients IV’s to keep them hydrated in the UK. That is truly frightening. This is what is coming our way.

There is absolutely no excuse for this. It seems like there is a horror story coming out of Europes hospitals every day.


10 posted on 07/03/2012 9:02:44 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ok, there may be a few downsides to SocialistCare, but remember, it’s free!


11 posted on 07/03/2012 9:05:07 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Patient dying of thirst rang 999

He called Herman Cain???

12 posted on 07/03/2012 9:08:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“Ok, there may be a few downsides to SocialistCare, but remember, it’s free!”

What’s the old adage? You get what you pay for? Or it’s worth what you pay for?......


13 posted on 07/03/2012 9:09:28 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Voting Anyone but Obama in 2012.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This reminded me of treatment given at some VA hospitals.I have first-hand experience.


14 posted on 07/03/2012 9:12:04 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
>He called Herman Cain???"

But Terri Schiavo answered.

15 posted on 07/03/2012 9:14:16 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Comming soon to America...

Obama care...Direct Death decisions by our friendly Staff!

Obama will have you “Shovel ready in No Time”

Why Waste Health care Money on You?...You aren’t even a Democrat.


16 posted on 07/03/2012 9:15:36 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

17 posted on 07/03/2012 9:16:13 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

So how will Americans handle these kinds of situations because this is what will be coming to us. We adjusted to the abuse of our children by the Union teacher thugs in government schools and I imagine we will sit by while Union nurse and doctor thugs ‘progress’ to neglegect, murder and abuse our family members at government hospitals.

As the public schools dove into the sh!thole we said, ‘homeschool’! What are we going to say when our assigned medical staff and hospital is like the worst public schools.


18 posted on 07/03/2012 9:19:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Water rationing


19 posted on 07/03/2012 9:20:21 PM PDT by skeama (On what day did God create Barack Obama, and couldn't He have rested on that day.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Gotta love those death panels.


20 posted on 07/03/2012 9:25:18 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: Scotswife

I doubt it was mere neglect; he was too costly to let live. This is the hospital staff stealth death panel in action. Coming soon to America.


21 posted on 07/03/2012 9:39:25 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

And all his lady friends too!


22 posted on 07/03/2012 9:48:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Health care rationing now includes water? This is worse than I thought.
23 posted on 07/03/2012 10:01:17 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: luvbach1

See your doctor at the DMV! I hate the feds.


24 posted on 07/03/2012 10:15:55 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’,m wondering where the family was. I recently spent a week in the hospital and I probably had less than 10 total hours alone. The hospital staff even let everyone stay with me when I was in the ICU.

That’s the way it’s always been with us. Just going home for the night is weird and, if the person is uncomfortable enough or sick enough, won’t be considered.


25 posted on 07/04/2012 1:18:06 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: SaraJohnson
Interesting.

I've always thought the British tolerate and defend their substandard medical care because they have no experience with any other kind.

Americans, on the other hand, would likely not tolerate it.

Of course, when the government's running health care, we'll finally get tort reform! :0)

26 posted on 07/04/2012 1:43:52 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Marie
They don't seem to be very family friendly at NHS hospitals:

Following his death, a nurse allegedly inquired whether the family, from Balham, South-West London, was 'finished' and asked a matron in front of them whether she could 'bag him up'.

27 posted on 07/04/2012 1:46:57 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“I’ve always thought the British tolerate and defend their substandard medical care because they have no experience with any other kind.”

A common misconception amongst American users of this forum. In the UK we have three choices for healthcare:

1)Use the NHS.

2)Take out private medical insurance if your employer doesn’t include it with your job - most do as soon as you get to lower management or above.

3)Put your hand in your pocket and pay for it yourself.

If you don’t want to use the NHS, no-one is going to force you. I’ve never used it because my parents always had private insurance with their job that covered the whole family and I’ve always done the same.


28 posted on 07/04/2012 2:05:51 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Homicide.


29 posted on 07/04/2012 2:07:24 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Caulkhead
I was speaking of those defending the NHS.

Let me ask you, do Britons who can do otherwise opt to use NHS?

When I had a medical issue in England, I don't recall ever being offered a choice.

30 posted on 07/04/2012 2:18:52 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

C’mon. American system looks as weird for most foreigners who has options.
There are numerous people who can’t afford paid healthcare there. Any healthcare is better than nothing for them.
And people with money and insurance are free to choose better clinics.


31 posted on 07/04/2012 3:21:51 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“Let me ask you, do Britons who can do otherwise opt to use NHS?”

Some do, just as some Americans who can afford insurance choose not to buy it.

“When I had a medical issue in England, I don’t recall ever being offered a choice.”

If you were unconcious you will automatically have been taken to an NHS A&E as the ambulance staff would have no way of telling whether you had insurance or wanted private care. If you were concious it’s up to you to say whether you have private insurance or would simply rather pay for private - they’ll transfer you immediately if you don’t want to use NHS facilities.

Just google ‘private hospitals UK’ and you’ll see there’s hardly a town without one.


32 posted on 07/04/2012 3:45:47 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Caulkhead

The trouble is, whether you use the NHS or not, you are forced to pay for it via taxes and and National Insurance. There is no option to ‘opt out’ so at best, you are paying for two different schemes.
Having said that, my experience of the NHS has generally been positive, and one could point out many horror stories from the American healthcare system...


33 posted on 07/04/2012 4:04:52 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s going to be a lot worse here in United States when the Democrat Party finishes its takeover.

Why? Because the IRS is going to administer healthcare. And nothing says warm human care and 16,000 armed IRS agents hired by Obamacare.


34 posted on 07/04/2012 4:50:43 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This type of neglect happens EVERY DAY here in America... NOW!

Don’t stay in a hospital unless you MUST; and have a family member present with you at ALL times! Document every visit by staff, every med given, EVERYTHING.

People that do the above are cared for better, because staff know that someone is watching and taking notes.


35 posted on 07/04/2012 5:17:37 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“He called Herman Cain???”

That’s funny. I bet if he had called Herman Cain he would have gotten his water and a pizza too!


36 posted on 07/04/2012 5:34:30 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“The trouble is, whether you use the NHS or not, you are forced to pay for it via taxes and and National Insurance.”

That’s true but it can be quite good value even so. I’m self-employed and my combined National Insurance contributions and private medical insurance premiums are less than I paid just for comprehensive medical insurance when I lived in California a few years ago. Class 2 NIC’s for the self-employed are £2.65 ($4.14) a week and my private policy is £63 a month ($98), so it’s not too pricey even for both.

Having said all that I’m not a huge fan of the concept of goverment run healthcare and an opt-out for those of us who don’t need the NHS would be better.


37 posted on 07/04/2012 6:11:43 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: clee1
This type of neglect happens EVERY DAY here in America... NOW! Don’t stay in a hospital unless you MUST; and have a family member present with you at ALL times! Document every visit by staff, every med given, EVERYTHING. People that do the above are cared for better, because staff know that someone is watching and taking notes.

My son and his wife are both RNs. They will NOT allow any member of their family to be alone in the hospital - not even the hospital in which they work(ed)(my son was severely injured on active duty and can no longer do the physical work of nursing). My daughtger-in-law checked out of work to stay with my daughter rather than leave my daughter alone.

38 posted on 07/04/2012 7:30:03 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Caulkhead
Some do, just as some Americans who can afford insurance choose not to buy it.

No, I would think it's nearly always a matter of affordability when Americans decide whether to buy health insurance. I have a MSA, which means basically I am self-insured, because I am self-emplloyed.

Regardless, in the US, one's method of payment does not, at least directly, determine the level or standard of care the patient receives.

39 posted on 07/04/2012 8:54:28 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Roses0508

I am a Hospice RN now after 6 years in a hospital.

NO WAY will any member of my family be alone in a hospital - EVER.

Understaffing, new grad nurses, foreign nurses & MDs that can’t speak understandable English, apathetic support staff.... you get the picture.

My F-i-L had to have surgery, and postop he was on my unit. I insisted that a family member stayed with him when I wasn’t there, and I personally assigned the staff that cared for him. The PTB didn’t like it very much, but I just told them flat out that that was how it was going to be - and if they didn’t like it, they surely wouldn’t like the full-page ad I was going to take out in the local paper spilling ALL the beans!

Hospital is now a place to avoid if at all possible.


40 posted on 07/04/2012 10:39:37 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Free” health care in action.


Someone wiser than I once remarked...

“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it’s free.”


41 posted on 07/04/2012 12:17:06 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“No, I would think it’s nearly always a matter of affordability when Americans decide whether to buy health insurance.”

Not in my experience when I lived in California.

“Regardless, in the US, one’s method of payment does not, at least directly, determine the level or standard of care the patient receives.”

Why would the method of payment make any difference to the level of care?


42 posted on 07/05/2012 2:11:13 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Except they arent.


43 posted on 07/07/2012 2:02:39 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: formosa

Yes, they do.

This is simply a shocking story of incompetence. But it dosent reflect the NHS as a whole, anymore than many US hospital horror stories mean all US healthcare is dangerous and substandard.


44 posted on 07/07/2012 2:04:48 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Trod Upon

Yes, it was.

Sorry, but Briddish/Yooro death panels are a fetish for people here, nothing else. If you believe that the British deliberately kill people, esp 22 year olds, I hve some green moon cheese to sell you.

Also, remember this is a inquest, and the headline/story is also merely the family’s argument/opinion. The inquest will take both sides and decide what actually happened.


45 posted on 07/07/2012 2:08:33 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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