Posted on 07/03/2012 10:45:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
Romney's spokesman has said that Obamacare does not impose a tax. But if that's true then it will take 60 votes to get past a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.
On the other hand, if Obamacare does impose a tax, then it will only take 51 votes to overturn Obamacare in the Senate.
This is not some obscure fact. So why on God's green earth would Romney's spokesman being seeking to characterize Obamacare as not imposing a tax? Are they trying to make it harder to overturn Obamacare?
I'd love to get straightforward answers to those questions from Romney supporters.
It is a tax. The SCOTUS said so
You know, I would value Herman Cain’s viewpoint on this, and foreward strategy, much more than I would for ANY Mitt Romney advisor, no matter how seasoned or qualified.
If OmebaCare is not a tax...then it is unConstitutional and Congress should immediately cut all funding and repeal the law.
Do you think Boehner and McConnell will do this?
Romney?
You know, I would value Herman Cain’s viewpoint on this, and foreward strategy, much more than I would for ANY Mitt Romney advisor, no matter how seasoned or qualified.
Very good questions that need answers. I am not a Romney supporter but I will likely vote for him if it's a choice between him and Obama. Obama's way too radical. I do wish we had a better choice. Unfortunately the conservative circular firing squad resulted in the wrong man left standing.
Whatever is in it, 51 should be adequate for repeal because they went with a procedure that allowed them to pass it with 51. You can't very well say 51 is adequate for passage but repeal takes 60.
Oh yeah, watch the Democrats and their propaganda arm in the media do exactly that.
We've already crossed that bridge. According to the highest court in the land ObamaCare IS a tax and is Constitutional. We may disagree with that finding but it is what it is.
We need to do away with ObamaCare based on that premise otherwise we accomplish nothing.
Technically, the 51 really only needs to be 50 + VP.
Perhaps Romney does not want to help conservatives gain control of the Senate. He may feel too pressured as President with a bunch of conservatives in control. If he calls it a tax then that would encourage conservatives to fight hard for a majority big enough to repeal ObamaCare.
50 + VP = 51 votes
Donor assume the spokesman is speaking correctly ...or with authority. If Romney says it himself, there’s a problem. Anything the spokesman says can, and in this case will, be walked back.
Don’t not Donor...damn iPad and it’s keyboard.
Do you think Boehner and McConnell will do this?
neither of these two idiots belong in leadership let alone office.
McConnell has already said “well... we’ll try.. but it’s not easy to over turn passed laws”
WTF! He just laid down and gave up. There is no fight in either of these two idiots.
Both of them should be tared and feathered.
The straightforward answer is that you are almost certainly a whining, lying little tool who wants Obama to win the election.
Put away the schnapps and get working on your beauty sleep.
Mittens said if it’s a tax it’s constitutional.
If it’s a penalty it’s unconstitutional.
Stop eating the government run Pablum.
Mitt said he agrees with the dissent.
All the rest is gorilla dust.
That’s the MSM spin.
So who are you going to vote for for President on November 6th?
It’s already been declared constitutional. That battle has been fought and lost. There is no Supreme Supreme Court to go to. The next battle is to get it repealed. That battle will take place in the House and Senate. So it is going to be easier to get it repealed if it only takes 51 votes than if takes 60 votes. The math is real simple for everyone except apparently Romney’s spokesman and some of his supporters on FR.
You make no sense.
Mitt said flat out "I agree with the dissent."
How is that "MSM spin"?
As a person who plans on voting for Romney your answer makes me doubt Romney will end. Your answer mirrors exactly how Romney is running his campaign. Basically, "I am not Obama". I have yet to see any substance from the man. As someone here in FR said:
Romney has no attack other than “Im not Obama” pretty much...everything else is generic statements about how bad the economy is and that’s about it and even his statements about the bad economy sounds like he’s making a cheap television commercial with no passion
Well, that's not going to cut it. vbmoneyspender who started this thread asked some very good questions and not even a Romney supporter can answer it?
Two things:
1) Use HTML better.
2) Say something that makes sense.
The answer to the posted question is Romney’s spokesman is weak at his job. He is not a polished community organizer.
Who do you support as an alternative to Obama?
Mittens agrees it’s penalty that is unconstitutional.
That doesn’t mean he won’t support a bill to overturn it if it’s done on reconciliation.
The answer to the posted question is Romney’s spokesman is weak at his job.
He is not a polished community organizer. No one in Mitt’s camp is a community Organizer of Hollywood celeb.
Do you support an alternative to Obama?
Do you really have to ask a question to which the answer is so bloody obvious?
The number of votes it will require in the Senate to repeal Obamacare will be determined by Senate rules. The Senate rules are whatever the Senate says the Senate rules are.
Step 1: Get GOP control of the Senate.
Step 2: Have the GOP Senate caucus pass a bill repealing Obamacare.
The details can and will be worked out by the GOP Senate caucus once they have the majority.
The ‘Rats did not let any previously-existing rules stop the adoption of Obamacare.
There is no reason the GOP should let any previously-existing Senate rules stop the repeal of Obamacare.
People need to wake the heck up.
We ALL agree with the dissent but we cannot ignore the fact that the SCOTUS has ruled ObamaCare as a tax therefore it's consitutional. If we do not go after ObamaCare based on that premise then there is no way to put it down.
There are two reasons why Romney is approaching this the wrong way (whether it be intentional or by mistake).
1) It is legally considered a tax therefore constitutional by the highest court in the land.
2) Politically it's a slam dunk because A) it's the largest tax hike in the history of the United States and it's happening during a recession. B) Obama lied because he insisted it is not a tax for political reasons. Nobody wants higher taxes.
If and when the bill hits his desk he'll sign it.
It will be up to others to draft the bill and pass it through Congress.
51 can overturn much of Obama-care but not all of it under budget reconciliation. That is how Dems got the House to pass the original Senate Obam-ney-care bill, a second budget reconciliation modification bill that increased both the spending and taxes.
There are so many ironies to ‘this is a tax, not a tax’ argument. Calling it a tax to repeal most of it sides with the SCOTUS (and Roberts) on their decision. Alternatively Romney cant call it a tax because he already is on record saying the mandate in his MA Romney-care bill was not a tax the same as the Obama argument.
It was ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS as a tax and congress can clearly tax us.
I'm likely voting for Romney. The only other alternative is stay home. But I do not support Romney, I'm just voting for him. That means I'm not giving him money, I'm not going door to door for the man, I do not believe in the man, he's our version of John Kerry because he's been on every side of every issue and even if I wanted I could not post any positive articles about the man because there are none out there. Sad but true.
Please see my Reply #32.
Oh theres fight in them alright,just noit for the conservative causes.They are really demorats.
Basically RomneyCare is coming back to bite him.
That’s what I said. :)
Only need 50 pubs in the Senate. Not 51.
Unfortunately I think you're right. I say unfortunately because Obama is the worst pResident in my lifetime. I'd vote for Jimmy Carter over this man we got in the White House. We may have seen Romney's peak. It may be time for that 4 year vacation in Costa Rica.
How could this happen? They said he was the most electable, just like McCain.
Excuse me, tsowellfan, I say this with the utmost repect and lack of rancor (I've admired many of your posts over the years; I am a Sowell fan as well and my late, very wise, beloved father was well read on Sowell and considered his political mind the best of the best) but ... you're still willing to sanction Romney, consent to Romney, because you think he'd be better than Obama?
When it is abundantly clear that he would only be different?
You are on the verge of giving Romney your blessing -- no matter your intent, your vote for Romney would be perceived and acted upon as your blessing and support for everyting Romney is.
There is much more liklihood of conservatism being dealt a death blow in a Romney landslide than if Obama won on a plurality. (That alone is reason enough to vote FOR a plurality by voting third party.)
I am just dumbfounded reading your true and wise assessments of Romney here and there on FR, and then reading that you are planning to vote for him if it comes down to O v R. Truly, if one need evidence of how deranged ABO is ... it is in abundance here.
Voting for Romney in hopes of even the tiniest improvement, is like drinking salt water while stranded at sea in the hopes that it's better than no water at all. Hard and illogical as it seems, the only option at sea is to hunker down and wait for rain of fresh water; better to vote how you can (and that is third party) to weaken the mandate of whichever statist wins, and hunker down and fight Obama with the fresh water of conservatism.
|
I can't imagine a worse candidate on the Republican ticket. You have no special knowledge nor unique analysis different than that of the others posters on this site. No one here is a Romney supporter so can that BS. ROMNEY SUCKS AND WILL THINK, SAY AND DO THINGS THAT SUCK. As America politics has become Hell on Earth it is almost certain that in November either Romney or Obama will be our next president. Now, I'm not asking who you will vote for or if you will vote. I'm asking which of the candidates do you prefer is president after the vote in November? A straight forward answer of one word will do. |
As a person who plans on voting for Romney your answer makes me doubt Romney will win. Your answer mirrors exactly how Romney is running his campaign. Basically, "I am not Obama". I have yet to see any substance from the man.
As someone here in FR said:
"Romney has no attack other than “Im not Obama” pretty much...everything else is generic statements about how bad the economy is and that’s about it and even his statements about the bad economy sounds like he’s making a cheap television commercial with no passion"
Well, that's not going to cut it. vbmoneyspender who started this thread asked some very good questions and not even a Romney supporter can answer it?
How's that html, any better for you?
I cannot argue with anything you said. You are 100% correct!
Oh course the bummer is the worst resident ever but the powers that be want him in there again and romnutts is their patsy this time around.Costa Rica sounds great to me for the duration.
Watch the Senate pass a resolution that states that 0bamacare is officially ‘a penalty’.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.