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Is the U.S. a land of liberty or equality?
Washington Post ^ | 07/04/2012 | Robert Samuelson

Posted on 07/04/2012 6:34:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

If you asked my true religion, I would not answer anything practiced in a church, synagogue or mosque. My real religion is America, and I feel privileged that, among the world’s 7 billion people, I am one of the roughly 300 million lucky enough to be an American. This transcends mere patriotism. I believe in what this country stands for, even though I acknowledge its limits and failures. As individuals, we are no better than most(selfishness and prejudice having survived). As a society, we have often violated our loftiest ideals (starting with the acceptance of slavery in 1787). Our loud insistence of “exceptionalism” offends millions of non-Americans, who find us exceptional only in our relentless boasting.

But these caveats do not dim my love of country. I am still stirred by “The Star-Spangled Banner.” I think our messy mixture of democratic traditions, respect for the individual and economic dynamism commands a unique place in human history. In most societies, people are marked by where they were born, their ethnic heritage or religious conviction. In the United States, these are secondary. Americans’ self-identity springs from the beliefs on which this country was founded, including the belief that no one is automatically better than anyone else simply by virtue of birth.

Our reverence for these ideals remains a touchstone. A few years ago, a friend gave me a copy of “The National Hand-Book of American Progress,” published in 1876 and edited by Erastus Otis Haven, a bishop in the Methodist Episcopal Church and the second president of the University of Michigan. Haven does laud economic achievements. The telegraph network, introduced in 1844, had grown to 75,137 miles. But mostly, Haven celebrates our ideals and political institutions, which — with the tragic exception of the Civil War — had settled conflicts peacefully.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: equality; liberty

1 posted on 07/04/2012 6:34:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

TYPICAL libtard “choice” question


2 posted on 07/04/2012 6:36:23 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SeekAndFind

As of last were it is neither... It is just another land of tyranny..


3 posted on 07/04/2012 6:37:36 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind

Neither.


4 posted on 07/04/2012 6:37:36 AM PDT by tomkat (FU barry)
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To: SeekAndFind
Congress can control the SCOTUS, if it has the will. The bolded part at the end is perhaps the least appreciated sentence in the entire Constitution.

U.S. Constitution, Article 3 Section 2:

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

"...with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

Enough Tea Party Patriots could lead a new Congress, and put the SCOTUS back into its box. The USA was never intended to become a tyranny of five judges. It's in the Constitution: The Congress is superior to the SCOTUS. There are NOT "three co-equal branches" as most believe.
5 posted on 07/04/2012 6:38:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
There have been a lot of inequities put into the system to guarantee an equal system.

It's only fair...

6 posted on 07/04/2012 6:41:20 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: tomkat

My vote as well.


7 posted on 07/04/2012 6:41:35 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another screwball lefty misunderstanding what equality means in America...it means equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. Equal outcomes are impossible, and to think that it is even possible, or a good goal to strive towards, is illogical and borders on outright stupidity.


8 posted on 07/04/2012 6:44:34 AM PDT by Ironfocus (O Must Go)
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To: Travis McGee; holdonnow; Carry_Okie; Noumenon; Jeff Head; Joe Brower; AAABEST; AuntB; BufordP; ...

...stands up and applauds!!!...


9 posted on 07/04/2012 6:46:16 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Samuelson’s opinion piece was one of the most dishonest screeds I have ever read.


10 posted on 07/04/2012 6:50:17 AM PDT by ngat
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To: sauropod; Joe Brower; Jeff Head

An originalist, “Tea Party” congressional majority could define those cases beyond the purview of the SCOTUS. For example, Congress could tell the SC, “tax policy is none of your business.” And it would stick.

But to date, no Congress has had the nerve to push back against an overarching SC. That does not mean it could not do so. It could.


11 posted on 07/04/2012 6:52:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sauropod
Is the U.S. ?
  1. a land of liberty
  2. a land of equality
  3. a reality TV show
  4. Snooki Nation

12 posted on 07/04/2012 6:53:00 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." --Kool-Aid)
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To: SeekAndFind
This Fourth of July do two things. First, read in total the Declaration of Independence we celebrate today and pay close attention to the "repeated Injuries and Usurpations" against King George. You will see that Obama's name could readily be substituted for King George. Second, watch the movie or read the book 1984. You will be shocked by how close George Orwell came to predicting the totalitarian state into which we are descending. For younger children Orwell's book or the animated version of Animal Farm might be more appropriate.

We should also remember the words of of Thomas Paine...

“These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value.”

13 posted on 07/04/2012 7:10:39 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes, this 4th of July, shall we venerate the American Revolution or the French Revolution? That's what divides us. It's Locke versus Rousseau. And contrary to what Samuelson claims, one side is more American than the other.

The idea that coerced equality of outcomes via the federal government is a legitimate part of the American tradition is a complete lie. It's this kind of dishonesty that gives cover to the scumbags who are dragging this country down with their toxic ideas.

Why can't Samuelson just say what this is really about: classical liberalism versus socialism. Or if you really want to get down to it: a belief in a Creator versus atheism. This is really where the disagreement is.

14 posted on 07/04/2012 7:33:15 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SeekAndFind
NEITHER... I am white, Southern, Christian and Conservative. I am not Free to enjoy Liberty as I once was... I am not equal to freeloaders... non producers... socialists and communists or those that hate America or are not white or suffer from a demented sexual behavior... I am not equal to an enemy invader that is here against our very own LAWS. That is the truth and the truth is the truth and can be nothing else but the truth.

LLS

15 posted on 07/04/2012 7:46:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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Click.

16 posted on 07/04/2012 8:05:31 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: SeekAndFind
As a society, we have often violated our loftiest ideals (starting with the acceptance of slavery in 1787).

Odd there's no mention of the bloody war to END slavery, or the fact that that institution was hardly unique in America at the time of its founding.

Our loud insistence of “exceptionalism” offends millions of non-Americans, who find us exceptional only in our relentless boasting.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what non-Americans think of our "boasting." And I can't see how they can come to that conclusion anyway, given the relentless self-flagellation of people like this author.

17 posted on 07/04/2012 8:42:49 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Travis McGee

“An originalist, “Tea Party” congressional majority could define those cases beyond the purview of the SCOTUS. For example, Congress could tell the SC, “tax policy is none of your business.” And it would stick.”

Just curious if you’ve thought this through somewhat (I haven’t). What if we had a Congress that passed a law that attempted to constrain the jurisdiction of the USSC, say with respect to anything having to do with federal tax policy. Say the Executive vetoed the bill and Congress overrode the veto.

Now, suppose a case finds itself before the Court having to do with tax policy (because the lower courts didn’t want to rule on the new jurisdictional restriction, preferring that be left to the USSC, their “superiors”). What if the Court rules on the case, basically telling Congress that their statute cannot restrict them, and the Executive branch decides to abide by the Court’s ruling.

What then? I’m not in disagreement with you, just find it interesting to consider a scenario where Congress decided to exercise its constitutional power to restrict the Judicial branch, the Judicial disagrees, and the Executive is in sympathy with the Judicial.


18 posted on 07/04/2012 9:17:10 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: Let_It_Be_So
It would be a big mess between the checks and balances, which is 100X better than being ruled by an oligarchy of five judicial tyrants, which is what we have now.

In 1820, Thomas Jefferson expressed his deep reservations about the doctrine of judicial review:

“You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.”

Ask anybody who believes the SCOTUS always has the final word, where in the Constitution does it say that? Ask them to please quote the chapter and verse. They cannot. But I can. Article 2 Section 3, the end:

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact,

with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.


19 posted on 07/04/2012 9:41:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sauropod

“Is the U.S. a land of liberty or equality?”

Today??

Neither.


20 posted on 07/04/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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