Got Nanny State?
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Posted on 07/04/2012 6:27:10 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
The United States leads the world in the rate of incarcerating its own citizens. We imprison more of our own people than any other country on earth, including China which has four times our population, or in human history. And now, a new Pew report announces that we are keeping even nonviolent inmates behind bars for increasingly longer terms.
This comes at a time when soaring costs of prisons are wreaking havoc on federal, state and local budgets, as schools, libraries, parks and social programs are slashed. When I graduated from the University of California at Los Angeles in 1983, my state spent more on higher education than prisons, a lot more. That equation is now reversed. Money that could have gone into reducing skyrocketing tuition and cuts to education has instead gone to prisons and inmates.
Over the past 23 years, California constructed roughly one new prison per year, at a cost of $100 million each, while it built only one new public college during the same period. Nationwide, spending on prisons has risen six times faster than spending on higher education.
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Prison contractors are at the top of that list.
Legalize drugs and you would cut prisoners by 80% or more.
The WOD is stupid, pointless, futile, overreach and destructive.
China isn’t the greatest of comparisons, they tend to kill people and sell their organs.
I’ve read stats that about 52% of people in federal prison are there for drug crimes.
The population of the US is somewhere around 320 million. The size of the USA is equivalent to two and a half Europe’s (USA almost 9 million sq mi - Europe about 3 million sq mi) so of course we would have a higher rate of incarceration. What’s China’s rate? What’s India’s rate?
The little unspoken secret that is our unique burden is that we have a larger population of folks with a stubbornly criminal culture. As long as they insist on rape, robbery and murder, prisons are a sound investment.
Its not based on sq miles, but on % of population.
>>Politicians love to write checks to companies that give them campaign contribution kickbacks.
Prison contractors are at the top of that list.<<
Prison guard unions a close #2 (way #1 in California).
Agree
When criminals stop breaking laws.
This is just more CNN horse**** and explains why CNN doesn’t have any viewers. Our jails are full of Central and South American criminals who came here illegally to engage in their crimes.
legalize drugs and you’ll fill the streets with dead bodies and shut down all the courts.
"increasingly longer"
I know facts suck when they make you look ill-informed and truculent, but they do speak for themselves. Cheers.
Riiight, CNN-Lady. Let’s just NOT send crooks to jail for a little while and see what happens.
I suppose CNN proposes a Saudi type of penalty for those flash mobs that rob Walgreens.
If you legalized drugs and gave them a reprieve they'd simply be retried on the original charges and they'd usually spend the rest of their lives in prison where they belong.
>>Your name is appropriate.........<<
Your inability to present an argument says more about you than a name.
Your making fun of my name tells us all it is bast your bedtime and you should shut Mommy and Daddy’s computer off before you get grounded.
-——We imprison more of our own people than any other country on earth, including China-——
We can fix that problem very easily....
We can treat our prisoners just like China does and execute them....to level the playing field
as soon as we are collectively retarded enough to buy this lame argument. hopefully, that will be never.
OK, when prisons get too overcrowded, take the 10% with the longest record of violent crime convictions and execute them on the spot.
One of the reasons our prison system is so expensive is that we are much more humane and coddling than places like China, Mexico, etc. If we went to Sheriff Joe’s tent system, we could probably balance the budget...
The Great Society is a huge success.
Increased the black illegitimacy rate from 15 to 75 per cent.
That’s the root of this problem.
Never mentioned in the MSM.
>>Among prisoners under state jurisdiction, which is over 90% of all prisoners, Drug offenses account for about 19% of incarcerations. Federal prisons, which have less than 200,000 prisoners, a small minority of all prisoners, have about half who are drug offenders.<<
http://www.aclu.org/womens-rights/words-prison-did-you-know#_ednref13
“By 2003, 58% of all women in federal prison were convicted of drug offenses, compared to 48% of men.[xiii]”
>>I know facts suck when they make you look ill-informed and truculent, but they do speak for themselves. Cheers.<<
Pulling incorrect statistics out of your butt that are proven incorrect by sourced, accurate data makes you look purposely ill-informed in an attempt to say things untrue to prove your point.
I know facts suck when they make you look ill-informed and truculent, but they do speak for themselves. Cheers.
When Holder’s people get a job.
We are the leader in owning stuff for now, and our President has done everything he can to destroy jobs and promote race and class warfare. OF COURSE we have the most people in jail!
Maybe when certain segments of our society stop their mass crime
The war on drugs hasn’t achieved any objective other than to ramp up the police state.
End the WOD and kick out the illegals. That’s what needs to be done, but neither side has the balls to do it.
Got Nanny State?
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. -- Atlas Shrugged
I doubt its that simple. The failed war on drugs produces criminals in many ways. It also provides big budgets and nice toys for the police. Not to mention the constitutional issues it brings in.
Drugs do some evil stuff but current policy is a failure.
We could kill them and sell their organs, applying profits against the debt; thereby solving prison overpopulation and the national debt.
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Chin doesn’t need to incarcerate them as they execute them.
I will “bast” when you “bast”
when we stop paying sociopaths to have more kids
When washed op-ed writers for CNN agree to house a prisoner in the spare bedroom down the hall from their daughter, we’ll talk.
When all the Marxist loving liberals are behind bars?
But I’m compasionate, they can get a get out of jail free card. As long as its a one way ticket to the Marxist/Socialist country of their choice and a full revocation of their citizenship.
If we legalize murder, rape, and theft we'd have a big cut back too... so, what's your point?
An acquaintance of mine worked in the Calif. prison system as a guard and later middle management. I get quite a lot of good intel from him. I asked him if the death penalty was actually a deterrent.
His response was, the criminals are more afraid of doing HARD TIME than death.
For a while, if you remember, Calif. had "boot camp" prisons, where the inmates put in long hours at hard work. He stated there was very little recidivism. He also pointed out that individual wardens determine the "culture" in their prison. Formerly, wardens were promoted up through the system. Now we get bleeding hearts with sociology degrees. He has some real interesting stories...
>>> The United States leads the world in the rate of incarcerating its own citizens. <<<
Stopped reading after the first sentence.
Look, I know it is CNN and all, but Lisa you dumb@$$ -
Just because the rest of the world is a lawless place, it don’t mean we have to be like them.
You can step out your door anyplace in America and buy just about any drug you want within 30 mins.
How is the WOD helping?
I know facts suck when they make you look ill-informed and truculent, but they do speak for themselves. Cheers
Yep. I see the same sort of logic when violent crime rates in the U.S. are compared to European countries. Never mentioned is the particular demographics in the U.S. If the demographics in Europe were similar, Europe would be similarly violent.
other alternatives include shipping criminals elsewhere ala Castro and the kings of West Africa
That's the end of that story.
I doubt if anybody truly knows how many people are in prison in China, Korea, India, etc. or even where all the prisons are located. If records do exist they would probably be easier to get than Obama’s original birth certificate, college transcripts or the files on Fast and Furious.
Confining a criminal to a prison like the new one in the Chicago area is like putting my grandson in time out but letting him have uninterrupted access to his computer, XBox, remote control and TV and a gallon of chocolate ice cream.
they’re getting there.
I totally agree
She doesn’t understand why these quotes had such impact back then, and will again as people forget:
Harry Callahan: “Go ahead, Make my Day!” -
Harry Callahan: I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
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