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Hospitals Told Child Heart Surgery Will Stop
News.sky ^ | 7/4/12 | staff

Posted on 07/04/2012 8:01:01 PM PDT by Nachum

Three out of 10 specialist units will stop performing heart surgery on children following an NHS review which decided resources were spread too thinly. The Royal Brompton in Chelsea, west London, Leeds General Infirmary and Glenfield Hospital in Leicester will not stop providing surgery immediately as plans to implement the new streamlined service are still being developed. Once they stop providing surgery, probably after 2013, the units will still see patients for diagnosis, monitoring and non-surgical treatment. The consultation process by the Joint Committee of Primary Care Trusts (JCPCT) of England

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: child; childrenshealthcare; healthcare; heart; heartsurgery; hospitals; nhs; obamacare; surgery
Oh, I imagine they will still have heart surgeries for kids in the UK. It will just be for the rich and powerful though.

What was it that Ebenezer Scrooge said?- "... let them die and decrease the population"

1 posted on 07/04/2012 8:01:11 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

What’s the problem here? Just send the poor kids to the United States for the world’s best pediatric care.


2 posted on 07/04/2012 8:07:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Nachum

So they’re saying that children aren’t worth the time and expense?I pity their godless souls.


3 posted on 07/04/2012 8:08:33 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to a country near you...as soon as the Obamacare “effectiveness panels” get up and running.


4 posted on 07/04/2012 8:10:22 PM PDT by mak5
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To: Nachum
Three out of 10 specialist units will stop performing heart surgery on children following an NHS review which decided resources were spread too thinly.

So seven hospitals will still perform cardiac surgery. I wonder how many people will read past the misleading title?

5 posted on 07/04/2012 8:11:56 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Nachum

They will start killing the newborns born with a congenital problem before the parents even see them. They probably do this already. My step-daughter wouldn’t have had a chance (heart chamber). Obstetric wards will have their own in-department death panels.


6 posted on 07/04/2012 8:12:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Nachum
The Safe and Sustainable review followed the landmark inquiry into children's heart surgery at Bristol Royal Infirmary between 1990 and 1995, where up to 35 children and babies died as a result of poor care.

The review recommended that surgery be concentrated in a few specialist centres in order to ensure quality of care.

Apparently the hospital’s pediatric unit has had some issues in the past and they decide to close down the hospital’s pediatric cardiology surgery.

If they are killing that many kids it might be for the best.

7 posted on 07/04/2012 8:13:18 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Moonman62

It’s pretty clear what the trend is regardless of 7 or 70 hospitals at the moment.


8 posted on 07/04/2012 8:15:00 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Nachum

To quote some former “washed-up & ineffectual” politician “Death Panels.”


9 posted on 07/04/2012 8:16:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: Moonman62

Then there were 7 and after the next review there were 6 and after the subsequent review there were 5 .... and the death panels kept reviewing and reviewing.


10 posted on 07/04/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Nachum

Well, who could have seen THIS coming.


11 posted on 07/04/2012 8:20:02 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Pontiac

People have become too fat, stupid and lazy to fake effectively.

The televisions will never stop broadcasting though.


12 posted on 07/04/2012 8:20:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Pontiac

Death panels always cite high minded and noble reasons for their decisions .... high minded and noble is in the eye of the death panel not necessarily the eye of the patient.


13 posted on 07/04/2012 8:21:05 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Moonman62
So seven hospitals will still perform cardiac surgery. I wonder how many people will read past the misleading title?

And if they do read past the misleading title, I wonder how long the waiting list will be to get your child that surgery now.

14 posted on 07/04/2012 8:22:24 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

And they ridiculed Sarah.


15 posted on 07/04/2012 8:25:19 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Nachum

Scrooge wasn’t the only one who said it - so did Margaret Sanger, G.B. Shaw, John Holdren, BHO et al, Soros and his anti-America New World Order collaborators - and they’re REAL.

Time is running out fast.


16 posted on 07/04/2012 8:31:21 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: Nachum

Death by deliberate government policy and an unsustainable economic model, itself a product of government. Government is the problem, not the solution. Wake up!

Some time ago, in preparation for a general election, I heard a Conservative British politician telling the voters how much better the Conservatives would run the National Health System than then Liberals were doing. This is sad and pitiful in light of the above story. However, American conservatives are no better when they argue how much better they would manage the public school system.

The answer in both cases is to get government out of the job or running these functions except for (possibly) setting standards of outcomes.

I am afraid that unless ObamaCare is quickly repealed, in 10 years the Republicans will be reduced to telling voters how much better they would run the local Death Panel than those inefficient Democrats are.


17 posted on 07/04/2012 8:34:37 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Nachum

>> Three out of 10 specialist units will stop performing heart surgery on children following an NHS review which decided resources were spread too thinly

Sadly, the citizens are unwilling to respond appropriately.


18 posted on 07/04/2012 8:37:12 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Rocky

Who?


19 posted on 07/04/2012 8:53:44 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: theBuckwheat

Ping to the top.

Excellent post!


20 posted on 07/04/2012 8:57:01 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Nachum

Coming soon to a pediatric care center near you, courtesy of Obamacare. Coming to geriatric care centers also.


21 posted on 07/04/2012 9:04:15 PM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: Nachum

And people here think Sarah is a kook!

She is proven correct, again.


22 posted on 07/04/2012 9:17:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: theBuckwheat

I am afraid that unless ObamaCare is quickly repealed, in 10 years the Republicans will be reduced to telling voters how much better they would run the local Death Panel than those inefficient Democrats are.

You are so right, just look north of the border, and see the conservative government there are doing just that, althought Harper is probably the best PM Canada ever had, most of the rest of his party is much more liberal, so be prepared to go on a waiting list-——— or do something about it in November, now that we all know the SCOTUS is not going to bail us out, lock and load


23 posted on 07/04/2012 9:18:59 PM PDT by munin
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To: Nachum; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; ...
It doesn't matter. Those kids have ‘coverage’, all of them. That is what counts even if they die without this treatment and others. Get your priorities straight,

BTW : They crush the rich with taxes there, it's very ‘fair’

24 posted on 07/04/2012 9:31:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sickoflibs

there you go talking about all that supply/demand stuff again...


25 posted on 07/04/2012 9:55:25 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sickoflibs

Oh, and Prince William and his new bride just dropped some 80,000 dollars on plane flights at taxpayer expense. Was just reading it in the news.

If this is how they treat the children, I just shudder to think what it will be like for the elderly, of which I will be one in less than 30 years. We will just be pastured out to die after 65.

As I train to be a nurse practitioner, I am taking note of of the MANY conditions that they simply do not screen for after a certain age — breast cancer, really ANY type of cancer — it’s just OVER after 75 now. You just figure that once it’s detected, I guess we’ll do palliative care, and that will be it. Forget trying to find cancers at earlier stages ... all the “guidelines” are changing.


26 posted on 07/04/2012 9:58:50 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Nachum

Bump


27 posted on 07/05/2012 12:45:43 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Moonman62
So seven hospitals will still perform cardiac surgery. I wonder how many people will read past the misleading title?

A 30% drop in sources for the surgery and you think it's misleading? Don't pooh-pooh or miss the point for a technicality.

28 posted on 07/05/2012 3:49:18 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb
A 30% drop in sources for the surgery and you think it's misleading? Don't pooh-pooh or miss the point for a technicality.

The Cleveland Clinic does all their heart surgeries in Cleveland, in spite of having hospitals in other states, so consolidation isn't all that unusual.

The title is misleading because it makes it sound like all surgeries will end.

29 posted on 07/05/2012 4:31:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Nachum

Nationalized medicine turns human beings into line items on a spreadsheet as costs to be managed. In other words, it changes people from unique individuals with liberty into a generalized commodity to be managed centrally. The kicker is that the central managers will do so with “cost reduction” as their only concern.

That means that our daily lives MUST be directed by the central managers in order for them to know the best stage for them to effectively manage our deaths.

We are all nothing more than commodities or chattle now!


30 posted on 07/05/2012 5:46:04 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Moonman62
Why do they do that? Is it because that method is what they found works best? What would happen if they chose to do it differently?

The medical centers in the UK which are being forbidden from performing the procedures, DISAGREE with the plan the bureaucrats have come up with.

The title is not misleading. This is how I initially read it.....

Hospitals Told Child Heart Surgery Will Stop

31 posted on 07/05/2012 6:03:49 AM PDT by nitzy ( Conservation is the policy of stewardship. Environmentalism is the religion of pagans.)
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To: steve86
Followed soon after by parental-run death panels, of an informal variety.

The only time my father came close to killing someone was at the birth of my sister's first child. The doctor arrived drunk and the hospital failed to stop him from carrying out the Cesarean procedure. My sister nearly died. The child did, though. I honestly think that if she had also died, I would have grown up without a Dad.

32 posted on 07/05/2012 6:03:58 AM PDT by Pecos ("We hold these truths to be self-evident ..... ")
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To: nitzy
Why do they do that? Is it because that method is what they found works best?

The hospital system I use only does major heart surgeries at one facility. That's probably the most economical way to do it.

33 posted on 07/05/2012 6:09:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Same here. Our hospital is a small-town facility, part of a network of five hospitals in the same system. It’s great for non-life threatening surgeries, i.e., knee replacements, prostate surgery, etc., as well as emergency care. For anything major, you get referred to the hospital in Corvallis, OR, about an hour and a half drive from the Coast. If you have a sudden life-threatening condition, you get stabilized here, then ambulanced or air-lifted to Corvallis.


34 posted on 07/05/2012 6:22:06 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Inspectorette

In western Kentucky they send major cases to Vanderbilt in Nashville.


35 posted on 07/05/2012 6:45:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: sickoflibs

Thanks for the ping.


36 posted on 07/05/2012 8:43:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies and ignorance. Speak honest to corruption . Stand up to liberal elite liars..)
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To: GOPJ

Those who die from being denied surgery died with (national) health care coverage so it is OK. I am sure their parents will be grateful.


37 posted on 07/05/2012 8:54:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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Elites in all countries will be able to save their own children from the horror of ‘death by liberal health care’, but average people will watch their children die.

Obamacare will keep 'the people' in line - doesn't matter how green your money is - it matters WHO you know. Just like every other crappy little two-bit hell hole country in the world...

38 posted on 07/05/2012 9:20:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies and ignorance. Speak honest to corruption . Stand up to liberal elite liars..)
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RE :”Elites in all countries will be able to save their own children from the horror of ‘death by liberal health care’, but average people will watch their children die.
Obamacare will keep ‘the people’ in line - doesn't matter how green your money is - it matters WHO you know. Just like every other crappy little two-bit hell hole country in the world...

Socialized medicine capitalizes on the popular (human) belief that anything I get that I don't directly pay for is like me winning the lottery, even if indirectly it takes everything and controls my life.

Look at each 4 year cycle POTUS election of the next Santa.

39 posted on 07/05/2012 9:29:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: GOPJ; sickoflibs

” Elites in all countries will be able to save their own children from the horror of ‘death by liberal health care’, but average people will watch their children die.

Obamacare will keep ‘the people’ in line - doesn’t matter how green your money is - it matters WHO you know. Just like every other crappy little two-bit hell hole country in the world... “

Now....like us.


40 posted on 07/05/2012 10:25:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

ya but they are the rich too..they made themselves that way on our backs.


41 posted on 07/05/2012 4:22:49 PM PDT by dalebert
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