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The Market and the Militarists. China and its inevevitable war with USA
ChristianConceptsDaily ^ | June 5th, 2012 | J.R.Nyquist

Posted on 07/05/2012 6:15:44 AM PDT by se99tp

When speaking of contradictions, Marxist theory (including Chinese Communist theory) holds that the central contradiction is class struggle. When Chinese general says the “contradictions” between America and China cannot be resolved by a single individual, he is referring to the inevitable outcome of class struggle. That outcome, by Marxian historical necessity, can only signify defeat of the world bourgeoisie; and America is the embodiment of the world bourgeoisie,

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; militarydoctrine; pla; zhangzaozhong
While world is waking up to the fact that Chinese economy is a one big bubble it is being reported that PLA generals are concerned about the state of readiness to the war with USA... Interesting read.
1 posted on 07/05/2012 6:16:00 AM PDT by se99tp
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To: se99tp
I hate it when it's inevevitable...........
2 posted on 07/05/2012 6:22:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: se99tp
There are legitimate reasons to be concerned, but I also remember decades past when a number of "experts" stated war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. Many people believed that. But now the SU is no more. Putin rattles the saber occasionally, but I doubt the average Russky looks forward to nuclear war with the U.S. Incidentally, we've already been at war with China. That was the Korean War.

But communist China is not much of a communist country anymore. It's an authoritarian country. Like the Russians, I doubt its citizens look forward to nuclear armageddon either. Plus the fact that China and the U.S. rely on trade to sustain our economies makes me think the prospects for war between China and the U.S. are pretty slim. Islamism is still the biggest threat as far as I'm concerned.

3 posted on 07/05/2012 6:26:15 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: se99tp

Things will be fine as long as we keep paying the protection money.


4 posted on 07/05/2012 6:27:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: se99tp

Yup.

Nobody is talking about this (yet), but the Chicoms are becoming more and more of a threat.

We need to RETURN manufacturing to America.

Not send it to China.


5 posted on 07/05/2012 6:28:42 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: driftless2

except USSR had about 300 million whereas China has a BILLION and a HALF, mostly men. They can afford to lose a few hundred million, we can.t


6 posted on 07/05/2012 6:31:32 AM PDT by capt B
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To: cripplecreek

Send the Chinese loving Bushes to them as hostages...especially George I and Barbara.


7 posted on 07/05/2012 6:31:58 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: driftless2
Plus the fact that China and the U.S. rely on trade to sustain our economies makes me think the prospects for war between China and the U.S. are pretty slim.

A war you can see anyway. Iran is threatening to close the strait of Hormuz (with Russian and Chinese mines) Meanwhile we just granted a waiver to China to buy Iranian gas despite our sanctions. Then we'll protect Chinese ships from Chinese mines.

Seems to me that the rest of the world is doing a fine job of breaking us because we aren't bright enough to recognize it.
8 posted on 07/05/2012 6:36:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: se99tp

The bible talks about a final war to ewnd all wars, and waves of millions of people being sent to fight

There has never before been an army big enough to have waves of people sent to fight

It seems like it would be hard to send waves of people by boat to USA, so I am thinking the last war with be when China sends wave after wave of people across the lands to end the Muslim threat to THEM

They are pretty PO’d about it, too- just last weekend Chinese people on a plane beat some Muzzie terrorists potential hijackers to death right on the plane.

I work with a lot of Chinese and they love america, even if their government doesn’t act so nice from time to time - but they see the economic struggles between our two countries as ‘just business’ (maybe even like in the mafia ‘just business’, but still ‘just business’)

But they see muzzies as a threat to their actual land. Plus the shortage of females in china is getting to be a major problem for millions of males age 25- to 45. Get rid of a bunch of murderous hate-filled muzzy males, and you got some pretty hot arab women hidden under a burka


9 posted on 07/05/2012 6:38:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: Mr. K

Be sure to thank them for arming our enemies that kill our troops.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 6:47:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: capt B
except USSR had about 300 million whereas China has a BILLION and a HALF, mostly men. They can afford to lose a few hundred million, we can.t

With the current balance of firepower a full exchange would wipe China off the map and leave us devastated. China has around 240 nukes. Less than a quarter of that are deliverable to the US. Many of those rely on getting aircraft on one way flights through US airspace. Possible but they all won't get through.

The US has over 2000 that could hit China. And another 6000 in storage that could be activated for a second strike. In a full war we would be devastated, the Chinese would be exterminated. The Chinese are very good at math.

They will use economics. That is a fight they can win, win easily, and be better off when the fighting is over than when they started. They will also use intermediaries. The Chinese will fight America to the last Iranian.
11 posted on 07/05/2012 6:48:13 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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" They are pretty PO’d about it, too- just last weekend Chinese people on a plane beat some Muzzie terrorists potential hijackers to death right on the plane. "

Well right on good for them... a good example for us if a dare say so.

To the bigger point, though, your post is right on also.

12 posted on 07/05/2012 6:53:05 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a "known safety risk" shooting with you even if he is an ordained minister.)
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To: capt B
What does China gain from a war with the U.S.? We are making them wealthy. War with the old Soviet Union would have much more likely as the demise of the corrupt communist system could be seen years before it happened. The leaders of the Soviet Union had to know that their system was inherently flawed and unworkable. Marxism is a the direct opposite of free-market economics and therefore a logical enemy. It was them or us, and we won.

But China junked Marxist economics after Mao croaked and is now on track to be the no. 1 economy in the world in about a decade (largely thanks to Obama and the rest of the Dems). Why would they want a war with the U.S.?

13 posted on 07/05/2012 6:57:03 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: GonzoGOP

Well China is growing very fast.

The 240 will become 500. If they’re not already.

Then 1,000. 2,000. 10,000. 50,000.

When do we say “enough”, because the trends are all in the wrong direction.


14 posted on 07/05/2012 6:59:09 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: driftless2

No, China looks for trade to expand their economy and to destroy ours.


15 posted on 07/05/2012 7:26:36 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

How would destroying our economy help China?


16 posted on 07/05/2012 7:34:08 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Last Dakotan

I wouldn’t say they want to destroy so much as control our economy. In any case it isn’t good no matter what a few treasonous cowards say.


17 posted on 07/05/2012 7:50:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: driftless2

I agree with this point exactly. China has more to lose than we do. Look at the border differences between us in the event of a nuclear attack. We have what, Canada and Mexico to deal with? Hardly a concern. However, China has to deal with India and Russia potentially making land grabs in the west where populations are low and borders are weak.

Developed nations would offer us support in the recovery so they split up China for themselves. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have good reason to make sure China doesn’t win out that battle.


18 posted on 07/05/2012 7:55:08 AM PDT by Marko413
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