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Poll Find 60% of Physician Leaders Support Supreme Court Decision on ACA
Wall Street Journal MarketWatch ^ | 7/5/2012 | Self

Posted on 07/05/2012 1:33:26 PM PDT by Positive

Of course that is the headline. A look at the facts which generated this headline are somewhat telling.

First this is an unscientific poll generated by sending an email to 9,500 physician leaders who are members of the American College of Physician Executives (ACPE).

Second,the inquiry drew only 617 responses.

Third, 377 said they supported JR and the Supreme's ruling.

An honest appraisal of the results would indicate that there should be at least four categories of positions, approve, disapprove, unsure and no opinion.

The no opinions have it, 8883 to 388 to 191 to 35. So 94% of these people have no opinion? Yeah Right.

Of course that would mean that 4% approve... Hmmmm.

My point is that this survey conducted by the ACPE is not at all informative it is just manipulated data. But I would bet my bottem dollar that dims will be citing this "poll result."

Finally, keep in mind that the question was about approving of the Supreme Court ruling not about approving of the Act itself and there might be some variance in those numbers too.

One more thing, the article in WSJ Marketwatch has incorrect numbers, http://www.acpe.org/ which ran the survey has the numbers they think they got.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: health; obamacare; obamatax; repeal

1 posted on 07/05/2012 1:33:34 PM PDT by Positive
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To: Positive

BS!


2 posted on 07/05/2012 1:34:48 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
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To: Positive

Doctors are notoriously bad at economics. They should stick to medicine. I wonder how they will like being the equivalent of bureaucrats at the DMV? Morons.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Positive

OK....I give up...What is a Physician Leader?


4 posted on 07/05/2012 1:35:48 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Positive

It doesn’t even matter, because I don’t necessarily trust physicians to support what’s good for ME rather than what’s good for THEM.


5 posted on 07/05/2012 1:37:01 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Positive

Follow the money...the grants...the employers (government)...the contracts and so forth. This “poll” is the ussual distortion of reality posed by pinheaded LIB apparatchniks. Good God...why aren’t all these communist enablers in jail? Have they no love of Freedom...have they no integrity?


6 posted on 07/05/2012 1:37:45 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Positive

Should have clarified that. Not all doctors are this way, but the ones who end up at the top of various organizations, such as the AMA, tend to be liberal and clueless on economics. Many docs are furious at the new law and see what it will do to our health care.

There is an organization of docs that is anti-Obamacare

http://docs4patientcare.org/


7 posted on 07/05/2012 1:39:03 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Pining_4_TX
My point is that this survey conducted by the ACPE is not at all informative it is just manipulated data. But I would bet my bottem dollar that dims will be citing this "poll result."
8 posted on 07/05/2012 1:40:04 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: mosaicwolf
"OK....I give up...What is a Physician Leader?"

Excellent question, according to the website some of them are Physicians.

9 posted on 07/05/2012 1:41:17 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I know my doctor is furious over obamacare...


10 posted on 07/05/2012 1:42:19 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: PA Engineer

Yes, the Dems will pretend this represents every doctor in the country. Dems lie; it’s what they do best.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 1:42:24 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
"BS!"

From whom? Me? MarketWatch? The ACPE? All of the above?

12 posted on 07/05/2012 1:47:02 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive

“Physician Leaders”is a euphemism for “Doctor who doesn’t actually see patients and practice medicine” .....


13 posted on 07/05/2012 1:50:38 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Positive

As other polls have shown 60% of physicians are against it, I must conclude that the majority of physicians are not physician leaders.


14 posted on 07/05/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: Positive

Till their reimbursement is slashed in half, they are forced out of accepting Medicaid and Medicare, won’t be able to accept cash (except under the table) and they are driven out of their specialties into retirement.


15 posted on 07/05/2012 1:53:10 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Positive

16 posted on 07/05/2012 1:53:54 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: mosaicwolf

I’ve been to a conference by the. ACPE ( AmericanCollegeof Physician Executives). These are the clipboard carrying, bean counting drones that make life a misery for the doctors and nurses they “manage”. They don’t actually do any medicine and Obamacare
will be a wonderful opportunity to increase their numbers and power.


17 posted on 07/05/2012 1:57:45 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Positive

The Physician “Leaders” were selected as unbiasedly as the Europeans slected Indian “Chiefs”.

Is this supposed to impress me?

I’m only interested in what ALL practising Doctors believe.

This is as bogus as saying most Cops support gun control because a handfull of politicized Police Chiefs do (There is that word again.)


18 posted on 07/05/2012 1:57:54 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Kozak
Exactly.

Executive physicians are the lazy traitors who don't want to work seeing patients and are able, in our increasingly socialized system, to sell out the working doctors by going hard left as administrators for the feds, insurers, hospital systems, pharma, etc.

They are the enemies of real doctors.

Real doctors are furious about this law and the decision.

19 posted on 07/05/2012 2:02:27 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Positive

What is a Physician Leader?


20 posted on 07/05/2012 2:12:55 PM PDT by funfan
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To: caddie
"Executive physicians are the lazy traitors who don't want to work seeing patients and are able, in our increasingly socialized system, to sell out the working doctors by going hard left as administrators for the feds, insurers, hospital systems, pharma, etc."

I piqued my own curiosity and did a search to see how many "Physicans" there are in the US...according to the FSMB (Federation of State Medical Boards), whatever club that is, there are slighly over 850,000.

So that entire "Physician Leaders" outfit is comprised of no more than 1.1% of the Docs... which again begs the question: Why does the Wall Street Journal MarketWatch think this is INFORMATION???

21 posted on 07/05/2012 2:14:27 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive

This survey is BS

My brother is a Medical Admin consultant for a number of practices in South Florida. None of the doctors he represents wants ObamaCare

And these are not conservative doctors. My brother has to remind me “OK, chill on the Rush conservative talk around Dr so-and-so” when I meet one his clients. These are quite liberal doctors...but know that ObamaCare pretty much kills their businesses

Most Drs. are crap-scared of ObamaCare


22 posted on 07/05/2012 2:19:42 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Sad....George Zimmerman is in jail for rightfully defending himself...while Eric Holder walks free)
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To: Positive; mosaicwolf

Physician leader = insurance, hospital company executives or academics. Insurance and hospital executives are crony capitalists, and academics are Leftist ideologues. These guys are also AMA members.

Don’t worry, the physicians in private practice get economics and business and they absolutely HATE 0-care.


23 posted on 07/05/2012 2:25:00 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: grumpygresh
“Physician leader = insurance, hospital company executives or academics. Insurance and hospital executives are crony capitalists, and academics are Leftist ideologues. These guys are also AMA members.
Don’t worry, the physicians in private practice get economics and business and they absolutely HATE 0-care.”

You are absolutely correct. For the most part, you wouldn't want any of these people treating anyone. Medicine is one of those professions (among many I'd bet) in which those doing the work are way too busy to watch their own backs, and thus they are vulnerable to those who don't actually see patients and spend most of their time playing ‘politics’ and accomplishing little.

24 posted on 07/05/2012 2:35:28 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: illiac

Physician leader=person who has never practiced medicine...


25 posted on 07/05/2012 3:22:38 PM PDT by TortReformer
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To: SeminoleCounty

This survey is BS on methodolgical basis as well.

There could very likely be a response bias. Perhaps all the liberals emailed each other to respond like we Freepers freep a poll.


26 posted on 07/05/2012 3:24:26 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Positive; All

AHHHHHChhhoooo....sorry, allergen to BS


27 posted on 07/06/2012 7:40:53 AM PDT by el_texicano (Palinista to the core!)
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