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Could Current Medicaid Recipients Lose Coverage From Supreme Court Ruling? (LOL)
PBS ^ | 7/5/2012 | By: Betty Ann Bowser

Posted on 07/06/2012 3:12:15 AM PDT by tobyhill

Tonight on the PBS NewsHour, our Health Unit takes a look at what's becoming a controversial part of the federal health care reform law: the expansion of Medicaid to cover up to 17 million uninsured adults.

While the individual mandate has been the headline-grabber since last week's decision, expansion of the shared federal-state program that provides health care to poor people is also a major component of the Affordable Care Act. It was supposed to bring millions of low income Americans into the program, including childless adults who right now are not covered in most states.

But Republican governors in at least seven states have expressed hostility toward the Medicaid expansion and indicate they may not go along with it.

Now, our partners at Kaiser Health News have found a new wrinkle in the equation. Check out this story from Phil Galewitz. And, of course, tune in to the broadcast tonight for our full coverage.

(Excerpt) Read more at pbs.org ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; obamacare; pbs

1 posted on 07/06/2012 3:12:41 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Hey, pelosi—’guess you’ll find out what’s in the bill after scotus decides which parts of the bill to uphold.


2 posted on 07/06/2012 3:23:48 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: tobyhill

They already take $99.90 out of my SS check for Medical....and I still have to buy a supplement AND they already have the thousands I paid into the “plan”.


3 posted on 07/06/2012 3:34:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tobyhill

Whoops - I kind of thought things might get a bit interesting with the Medicaid ruling. The obvious solution for people living in a free state (like MS or TX) is to move to a ‘more compassionate’ Blue State. Heck, maybe here in Texas we’ll even give them the bus tickets.


4 posted on 07/06/2012 4:00:17 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Sacajaweau

“They already take $99.90 out of my SS check for Medical....and I still have to buy a supplement AND they already have the thousands I paid into the “plan”.”

LOL. They don’t HAVE the thousands that you paid into the plan - they spent it DECADES AGO. At some point Americans, I hope, will realize that - for that’s the first step in starting to clean up entitlements.


5 posted on 07/06/2012 4:02:27 AM PDT by BobL
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To: tobyhill
This is just a Whine about those Evil Republican governors. But, as I read the article, this appears:

"Another way states might choose to minimize their costs is by shifting people who are eligible for federal subsidies for private insurance out of the Medicaid program and into new online markets created by the law. That saves states money because the federal government pays the entire cost of the subsidies -- unlike Medicaid, where states share in the costs."

I'm hoping the governor of my state lets this happen.

6 posted on 07/06/2012 4:10:35 AM PDT by radioone
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To: tobyhill

Obamacare is one big, giant mess. And people who already have decent insurance are going to find Obama has nothing for them except virulent trouble.

People are going to be cursing his name for years.


7 posted on 07/06/2012 4:19:54 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Question now becomes are they going to do away with Medicare or fold it into DeathCare. Judging by the emphasis on killing off the elderly, I’m thinking they will try to give with one finger and take away the whole hand.


8 posted on 07/06/2012 4:20:39 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Sacajaweau

“They already take $99.90 out of my SS check for Medical....and I still have to buy a supplement AND they already have the thousands I paid into the “plan”.”

and in 2013 they will take $113 and in 2014 (just 18 months from now) they will start taking $247 per month. These fee increases will be huge drains on poor elderly people’s incomes.


9 posted on 07/06/2012 4:57:43 AM PDT by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; ..
RE :”Not only could some states opt out of increasing the number of adults in the government health insurance program for the poor as a result of the Supreme Court's ruling, but they also could cut people now enrolled.
This wasn't supposed to happen under President Barack Obama’s health law designed to expand coverage for 30 million Americans, in part by adding 17 million people to Medicaid.
But the impact of the high court's ruling making the expansion voluntary is likely to be compounded by another provision in the law that the justices left intact: In 2014, states are no longer barred from making it harder for adults to qualify for Medicaid.
Experts worry those two developments taken together could spur some states to reduce the number of people covered.
States could throw some low-income adults “into a black hole with nowhere to turn for coverage,” said Deborah Bachrach, who was New York's Medicaid director until 2010 and now is special counsel at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, a New York law firm.

Looks like Roberts knew what he was doing.
With all the liberal patting Obama on the back over this huge 'victory' (to get him re-elected) and the Republican whining on the other side over'losing' , this part of the SCOTUS ruling was ignored.

Huge Obama victory, libs cheer! OH-OH, where did this come from? This reminds me of when Boehner said he got 95% of what he wanted in a bill the same house members want to repeal.

Solution?? repeal Obama-care.

10 posted on 07/06/2012 5:04:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: BobL

At least Bernard Madoff went to prison for his deeds.


11 posted on 07/06/2012 5:09:58 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: BobL

“They don’t HAVE the thousands that you paid into the plan - they spent it DECADES AGO.”

Imagine if a private insurance company behaved in the same fashion. Its CEOs would be sent to jail in a heartbeat.


12 posted on 07/06/2012 5:14:12 AM PDT by DrC
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To: I still care

“People are going to curse his name for years.” I already have been cursing his name for years.


13 posted on 07/06/2012 5:29:28 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: gop4lyf

This was Obama’s plan from the start. Move those people to Obamacare and villify the Republicans while doing it.


14 posted on 07/06/2012 7:14:34 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: freeangel

Kind of hard to figure. Pelosi has got to be as old as those they are trying to kill off with obamacare.


15 posted on 07/06/2012 8:34:54 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: sickoflibs

Companies will drop health insurance like they dropped pensions when 401K’s came along... We’re creating the darkness...


16 posted on 07/06/2012 9:07:32 AM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies - to ignorance. Speak honest to corruption . Stand up to liberal elite liars..)
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To: Western Phil

Pelosi, and the other congresscritters, are exempt from ObamaCare. And if that were not the case, she is too rich to care.


17 posted on 07/06/2012 9:41:05 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: GOPJ
Companies will drop health insurance like they dropped pensions when 401K’s came along... We’re creating the darkness... I think you are mixing your metaphors. 401Ks are a great thing. Company pensions are dependent on the company staying solvent, and on you stay with that employer to retirement. 401Ks are not dependent on one company, and fully transportable from one employer to the next. Yes, you take on market risk, but that market risk was always there, just hidden. More than one company has gone bankrupt due to bad pension planning or execution (see: GM).

I worked a several companies, but except for the last I didn't stay long enough (7 years or so) to get vested in the pension plans. And even if I had, the plans are so loaded to the back end that it would have been worthless. But the one cash value profit sharing plan (similar to 401K) that I got to roll over later to an IRA paid off nicely.

401K/IRAs are much better than a pension plan for all but the executive class.

As far as ObamaCare goes, you are right, things look dark.

I"m a fan of HSAs, especially if you start young, but that's one Reaganite solution that Obama wants to kill.

The only simple (to express, not do) way to stop this is to kill the income tax, repeal the 16th amendment. Any other way out will go through a morass of compromise, and when good compromises with evil, evil wins.

18 posted on 07/06/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke; GOPJ
The only simple (to express, not do) way to stop this is to kill the income tax, repeal the 16th amendment. Any other way out will go through a morass of compromise, and when good compromises with evil, evil wins.

Unless the US voters have an epiphany, you might end up with a "compromised" repeal of the 16th amendment (a 2000 page amendment?), if it even got that far.

Things look indeed dark, unless something changes.

19 posted on 07/06/2012 1:26:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO
Looks like Roberts knew what he was doing.

That statement could be interpreted to mean "what he was doing" was to destroy federalism, but assume you meant he was trying to create a poison pill for Obamacare. Whatever his motives, I am not convinced this is a good thing. Time will tell.

With all the liberal patting Obama on the back over this huge 'victory' (to get him re-elected) and the Republican whining on the other side over'losing' , this part of the SCOTUS ruling was ignored.

Some on FR have not discussed it, but in general it was hardly ignored.

Suppose that several states refuse the Obamacare expansions.

1) Dems are ready to demagogue governors and state legislatures who do not embrace the expansion. That could make a bigger difference in the 2014 elections than 2012.

2) Blue states are going to take all the fed money, and we all have to pay for that eventually. What happens if a blue state goes bankrupt because of its eventual "required contributions?" Bailout?

3) Don't the illegals, etc., go to federally-propped-up exchanges? Don't we get bigger government, more pork, more debt?

If Obamacare folds because of the Roberts ruling, the consensus will be that he is a genius, a long term thinker. Otherwise, many will blame Roberts, even if the GOP could have used the ruling to destroy Obamacare, (although I believe that would be much easier said than done -- perhaps beyond the capability/determination of GOP politicians).

Again, time will tell.

20 posted on 07/06/2012 2:44:33 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; S; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”That statement could be interpreted to mean “what he was doing” was to destroy federalism,...

Destroy???
As I recall when Republicans were in charge they thought federal power was a GREAT thing because THEY were in charge of it. But don't worry, with Romney we won't have that problem right?? After all his main excuse for Romney-care is Federalism so he must mean it.

I didn't vote for Roberts did you?

21 posted on 07/06/2012 8:39:06 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO
I like Roberts decision about Medicaid because for two years I have been saying that House Republicans should send a Senate a bill that allows any state to completely opt-out of Obama-care.(there would have to be a requirement that any state that stays in that it must not add to the deficit.) I still think that would be a better strategy than a 50 state repeal that includes even the liberal states who may want it, or at least claim they do. And yet they send the same bill OVER and over knowing it is going no place, just to distract us from their REAL spending bills.

By sending 50 state repeal bills to the Senate over and over they put little pressure on Democrats to do anything with it.

Most Republicans don't believe in states having their own say. They believe in themselves ruling the country instead of Democrats. The Romney states rights excuse is laughable.

Like I said, states can now opt out of at least part of Obama-care (the one that would have bankrupted them) and the reaction by most Republicans(it seems) is "Ho-hum, I wanted Roberts to repeal the entire bill for all the states. After all, I am supporting the guy I don't trust to do anything right so it was Roberts job to do it for him"

22 posted on 07/06/2012 8:58:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sickoflibs; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”That statement could be interpreted to mean “what he was doing” was to destroy federalism,...”

Destroy??? As I recall when Republicans were in charge they thought federal power was a GREAT thing because THEY were in charge of it.

Yes, RINOs wound the Constitution too, but that does not make it OK.

I'm not the only one concerned about Federalism and the Roberts ruling. Column: Court's top conservative kills federalism

Remember Obama's State of the Union in which he lectured the SCOTUS, and the barrage of leftist warnings about overturning Obamacare? They will see the Roberts ruling as the green light for more big government lawlessness. The Constitution may win eventually, but we are headed in the wrong direction at this moment.

23 posted on 07/06/2012 11:13:41 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :” Remember Obama’s State of the Union in which he lectured the SCOTUS, and the barrage of leftist warnings about overturning Obamacare?

Well since I have pinged you and the others about a dozen times mentioning it I probably remember.

RE : : They will see the Roberts ruling as the green light for more big government lawlessness.

Obama-care is lawlessness??? AS I recall it was passed by both Houses (after much trouble for Dems) and signed by Obama. Lets get a grip. It is Republicans who were counting on the big shortcut to repeal it by bypassing the same process because they know the GOP won't have the guts to.

Back to the planet Earth. If our sole hope is Romney and Co vs Dems then things look pretty grim because few believe that they are up to the task; and so more and more Dreams of that Genie in a bottle fantasies will be thrown forward to us.

24 posted on 07/07/2012 12:35:52 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

Here’s a crazy idea.

Why don’t Republicans convince voters that Obama-care is bad for them and then repeal it?

If voters really hate it like they say then that should be easy.


25 posted on 07/07/2012 12:41:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
flashback to mcqueeg/feingold...W signed it so the supremes could nullify it...didnt work out too well...

before that W said of the AWB renewel, 'get it to my desk, and I'll sign it'...forunately the CONgress came up a couple votes short on that one, ONLY due to rat fear...

its 'law' now indeed...seal of approval by the roberts court makes walking it back politically harder than ever, if you thought the demagougery was bad before, wait till the smears come in the next session during a halfhearted attempt to repeal...thats why we'll only get 'tweaking' of it to suit the masses...all the while 1000s of pages of regulation [fiat law] are being pumped out and cemented in place...

26 posted on 07/07/2012 5:37:13 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sickoflibs
Obama-care is lawlessness???

I think it is, but it depends on how you look at it. Since the law is whatever Roberts says it is, you can argue it is the the law of the land. But Roberts had to resort to preposterous "reasoning" to "justify" the ruling.

Maybe I should have stated more clearly that I view Obama's lawlessness as a larger phenomenon than just obamacare.

AS I recall it was passed by both Houses (after much trouble for Dems) and signed by Obama

After Franken stole a senate seat (with the help of rogue judges) to make 60 votes. But I was not claiming that the the manner in which it went through the votes in both houses and was signed (although sleazy) was illegal. I won't keep beating the dead horse about how Roberts rewrote the law to do what he wanted, but also I think the law was unconstitutional in handing over so much of the actual mechanism to HHS etc. But maybe today the idea of putting limits on what congress can do to us is anachronistic. As Obama said, is the Constitution a "charter of negative liberties," just some old moldy pages to be ignored?

I believe that the plan to have half the states refuse to participate will not succeed unless congress and the POTUS are on their side, because the states which would not participate still would have to pay for the states that do.

If our sole hope is Romney and Co vs Dems then things look pretty grim because few believe that they are up to the task; and so more and more Dreams of that Genie in a bottle fantasies will be thrown forward to us.

I think you and I are both horrified, but not really surprised, by the lack of concern among the voters about the growth of government and the loss of individual liberty. And I agree with you that, among his other problems, Romney is so far unable or unwilling to convince them to oppose obamacare's huge tax hike.

27 posted on 07/08/2012 11:06:22 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Gilbo_3
its 'law' now indeed...seal of approval by the roberts court makes walking it back politically harder than ever, if you thought the demagougery was bad before, wait till the smears come in the next session during a halfhearted attempt to repeal...thats why we'll only get 'tweaking' of it to suit the masses...all the while 1000s of pages of regulation [fiat law] are being pumped out and cemented in place...

I agree. The GOP has not had 60% of the senate since the 1920s. Repealing the funding with 51 senate votes might work if the GOP has the guts, and if Romney is there to sign it, but lately his campaign can't find it butt with both hands. As you noted, they would have to ignore the demagoguery machine too.

Can you add pork to a reconciliation bill? If there is a way....

28 posted on 07/08/2012 11:17:03 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :” I think you and I are both horrified, but not really surprised, by the lack of concern among the voters about the growth of government and the loss of individual liberty.

I saw another poll on cable where 45% polled said they didn't even know that there was a SCOTUS decision on Obama-care,

Marx's view of liberty, which Dems are using now, is that LIBERTY is being freed of our basic needs (as determined by) by the state, that you are supposed to vote for more free stuff. Remember that the Demographics of this country have changed dramatically the past decade or so due to immigration, and with it these views.

RE :”I believe that the plan to have half the states refuse to participate will not succeed unless congress and the POTUS are on their side, because the states which would not participate still would have to pay for the states that do.

This is where Romney and a Republican congress could come in handy. They repeal just the funding, then all the states opt out. They need to be put to the test after 4 years of tough talk.

29 posted on 07/08/2012 7:17:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale
This is where Romney and a Republican congress could come in handy.

Or not...


30 posted on 07/09/2012 5:17:20 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale

HA-HA, that cartoon sounds like me.

I still think the personal mandate issue is huge distraction that was tempting because it polled badly but so far has not helped Republicans in beating Obama, which was their main intention. Now both sides have muddied the water with this tax-fine-penalty confusion trying to have it both ways.

See my ping on the insurance exchanges.


31 posted on 07/09/2012 5:27:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Good one. Unfortunately the Grand Old Party elephant would be smiling great big and slapping Romney on the back and saying, “Yeah! What he said.” in real life.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 9:09:23 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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