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Posted on 07/06/2012 8:21:02 AM PDT by MNDude

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To: Nea Wood

My mother’s family moved to Chicago from the South circa 1955; she came to Chicago for the first time that fall when she was on leave. Her family was living out on the west side, which was still predominantly working-class white then, but change was on the move.

The two things her parents quickly told her:

1.) The parks weren’t safe, especially Garfield Park. It was big, beautiful and tempting, but it wasn’t safe.

2.) The black neighborhood of the near west side (the old Maxwell Street/Near West Side) was slowly but steadily spreading west at about 3-4 blocks per summer. When she came to town the “color line” was at California Avenue (2800 west); from there west to Kedzie Avenue (3200 west) was a sort of no-mans land. Her parents told her that if she was on a CTA bus on Madison or Washington that broke down east of Kedzie, not to get off for ANYTHING until the replacement bus showed up.

When her parent’s neighborhood began to change (around 1961-2) things unraveled quickly. Street crime, noisy neighbors, vandalism, harassment etc. all shot up like a rocket. The owner of the upscale Graemere residence hotel overlooking Garfield Park was literally chased out of the park by a mob of black youths in the summer of 1962; he sold the hotel that fall. People felt threatened and got out of Dodge as fast as they could. A friend who grew up a few blocks west and south of there remembered much the same sequence of events; his area flipped within the summer of 1965.


51 posted on 07/06/2012 12:40:35 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: cuban leaf

“including the hate, are worse today then back then.”

I totally agree with that.


52 posted on 07/06/2012 12:43:35 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: kabumpo
Well that flaw was corrected; but not because of LBJ. This is the best, most just nation on the earth.
We are not perfect; but do fix problems that exist. But not through a heavy handed government.
53 posted on 07/06/2012 12:47:20 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: cripplecreek

The saying down south in the 1970 was “up North they like them as a race but hate as individuals, Down South they like them as individuals but hate them as a race.”


54 posted on 07/06/2012 12:48:53 PM PDT by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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To: M1903A1

A further thought...my father attended Illinois Institute of Technology in the early 1950s. IIT then consisted of two buildings surrounded by the Oakland neighborhood, which had been middle-upper class at the time IIT opened as the Armour Institute, but had since degraded into the heart of the south side “Black Belt”. His take was that he felt safe on campus, but it wasn’t a good idea to go wandering more than a block or two away from it. There was a large apartment complex (the Mecca Flats) nearby that was a known haven for drugs, prostitution and other problem types; everybody stayed well clear of it.

He also recalled that there was a remote entrance to the 35th Street “L” station from 33rd Street, employing a poorly-lit walkway that ran below the “L” structure at about the level of the garage rooftops or back porches. He said that, to use it safely after dark, you waited outside the entrance for several others to come along and then you all went over as a group, or you had to RUN the length of the walkway and watch for the hands that reached out from the rooftops to trip you.


55 posted on 07/06/2012 12:50:05 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Former Proud Canadian
...pre 1967 you felt very safe in Detroit...

Summer 1967 was the "long hot summer of discontent". It seemed like every major city in the US had race riots. I have to believe that all that anger had been simmering for a long time as a build up to the boil over that year. I can't speak to the streets of Harlem but I was attending college '63 to '67 in downtown Milwaukee and never felt threatened. As a student I used city buses or walked wherever I needed to go for three years before I acquired a car and moved to a southeastern suburb of MKE.

Regards,
GtG

56 posted on 07/06/2012 12:56:10 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: wordsofearnest

Interesting video by Charlie LeDuff in Detroit on discovering his black roots and learning about racism his family faced in Detroit in the 20s and 30s. Obviously he’s not “black” in any noticeable sense (He’s creole like General Honore)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZLrw19zvik

In fact, gun control in Michigan grew out of a 1925 case where a black doctor (Ossian Sweet) defended himself against an angry mob who were mad that a black man would move into their neighborhood. It led to a push for laws that made it virtually impossible for blacks to own guns in Michigan. (It should be pointed out that a white jury acquitted him)

http://www.concealcarry.org/open-carry-being-encouraged-in-detroit/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossian_Sweet


57 posted on 07/06/2012 1:28:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CodeToad; All

I used to go to the Federal Theatre often as a boy...the neighborhood was great back then (mid-60s)...I remember it well


58 posted on 07/06/2012 1:45:43 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Vote Republican! We're 1/10 of 1% better than the other guys!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

It was pretty much the same at Clark AB in the Philippines in the early 60s. Blacks and whites in my squadron got along very well, but when we went into Angeles City, the black guys got off the jeepneys in “their” area and we kept on going to the white area. White troops could only go into the black bars accompanied by a black buddy, and ditto in the white area. There were no racial issues on the base at that time.


59 posted on 07/06/2012 2:45:30 PM PDT by Ax
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To: MNDude
"Would you have walked, relatively safe, down the streets of Harlem back in 1960? "

Absolutely...In fact, in the late 50's, occasionally fell asleep there (after drinking too much while recovering from all those years in the Corps) with the top down on my 1955 Chev convert...

Have to remember, in NY & New England there was freedom of personal opinion (now referred to as "bigotry") all over the place that encompassed:

However, the ugly head of racial hatred as an election tool had not yet been fully and effectively implemented by the leftist politicians.
60 posted on 07/06/2012 3:13:21 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: notdownwidems

Back then it was probably still an Italian neighborhood. Smaldones, I think.


61 posted on 07/06/2012 3:22:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: cripplecreek

Hey, I’m not whining when I point out facts that you don’t like. And I wonder what are the public places where you “don’t feel welcome” and don’t go. I don’t think you have any idea of what it’s like to not be able to purchase food - with your own money - when you are hungry, and to not be able to drink water when you are thirsty.
It’s an embarrassment that this ever occurred anywhere in this country.


62 posted on 07/06/2012 3:59:27 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: cripplecreek

Hey, I’m not whining when I point out facts that you don’t like. And I wonder what are the public places where you “don’t feel welcome” and don’t go. I don’t think you have any idea of what it’s like to not be able to purchase food - with your own money - when you are hungry, and to not be able to drink water when you are thirsty.
It’s an embarrassment that this ever occurred anywhere in this country.


63 posted on 07/06/2012 4:00:02 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

Yet you aren’t embarrassed to have the state dictate who a private business can and cannot do business with.

So not only are you a racist of good intentions, you’re a socialist to boot.


64 posted on 07/06/2012 4:05:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MNDude

It was a different world in the Fifties and Sixties.

It can’t be over-emphasized.

Yes, to a large extent, people stayed within their own groups; Blacks, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Asians (separated, to a large extent, by nation of origin), Hispanics.

Granted there was much less social mobility then, but, to a large extent, no one cared very much, people were more contented then, and everyone pretty much wanted to stay with their own.


65 posted on 07/06/2012 4:08:43 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: cripplecreek

I see you use the same tactics that the left uses when they have no argument - ugly name calling. You have admitted failure,just as they do when they call me a fascist for criticizing Obama and the Dems.
Still waiting for the list of places where you don’t go because you don’t feel welcome.


66 posted on 07/06/2012 4:20:01 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Jack Hammer

We’re always better off when people choose to integrate or segregate themselves.

I was out in the yard talking to my little town’s one black resident (Mixed couple and their kids) and just asked him why he chose to live here. He said “I don’t want to live in the hood, would you?”. Kinda hard to argue with that logic.

Turns out that his family were Detroit riot refugees. His father’s business had been burned out right along with the rest of them so they loaded up and left and moved down the highway to Jackson. Jackson has its own hood these days and he doesn’t want to raise his kids to be thugs. They’re good kids too.


67 posted on 07/06/2012 4:51:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: M1903A1

Around 1958, my family temporarily moved out of the city and to a suburb of Chicago. Ten years later, our former neighborhood was a dangerous ghetto. The black residents were complaining that there was no swimming pool in their neighborhood for their kids to escape the heat. Also, there were rats in their apartments and they demanded that something be done about it. They claimed that the presence of the rats, and the lack of “something being done about it,” was “racism.” My mother wrote a letter to the editor of the newspaper saying that her own kids had no swimming pool, and by the way, there were no rats in that neighborhood ten years prior, before the blacks moved in. The paper printed her letter, with her name, and I lived in fear for a while that angry blacks would look us up, come to our house and beat us up! Thankfully, that didn’t happen.


68 posted on 07/07/2012 7:43:48 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Yes, as I write before, race relations were not perfect in So Cal. I only took exception to the characterization of the area in your original post, which may have been true in parts of LA County, but were simply not accurate for Orange County.


69 posted on 07/07/2012 8:19:44 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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