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James Madison: The subversion of the very foundations of limited government in America
TomHoefling.com ^ | 1792 | James Madison

Posted on 07/06/2012 4:08:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America."

-- James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, 1792



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; madison; obama; roberts; scotus; usurpers
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To: OneWingedShark

Thank you!


51 posted on 07/06/2012 8:47:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: annieokie

It is an amazing image. We have been so blessed in this country. It would be a shame to squander for our posterity what they sacrificed so much to obtain for us.


52 posted on 07/06/2012 8:50:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Ken H

Sadly, they have made themselves into the adversaries of the Constitution and the people.


53 posted on 07/06/2012 8:53:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Uncle Ike

wow..so true!


54 posted on 07/06/2012 8:55:30 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: gorush

Great quotes! Thanks!


55 posted on 07/06/2012 8:59:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think that everyone should take a look at this article-

http://www.redcounty.com/content/huge-favor-supremes


All this is food for thought and a certain amount joy but there’s another angle that could very well be the coup de grace.

During the run-up to bill passage, the House and Senate both introduced versions of the bill with the Democrats loudly assuring us it was NOT a tax. The House barely passed theirs. The Senate passed theirs. Then, the house version hit a snag in the Senate. So, the Democrats pulled the senate version, since it wasn’t a tax, from reconciliation and “deemed” it passed.

But wait… The Supreme Court just ruled that it IS a tax. Taxes are for raising revenue.

Article I, Sec. 7, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:

“All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

….. OOOPSIE!


56 posted on 07/06/2012 9:10:45 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most contemptable President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: matthew fuller

Let’s say you get that appealed all the way up to SCOTUS. Which of the Justices would you expect to reverse themselves?


57 posted on 07/06/2012 9:16:08 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’m continuing to pray.
:)


58 posted on 07/06/2012 9:16:21 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY- IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: vox_freedom

Great stuff for our FReepathon thread!
59 posted on 07/06/2012 9:18:08 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY- IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Lady Jag
Heck, most Americans are American history ignorant!!!
60 posted on 07/06/2012 9:19:56 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY- IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Ken H

I’m just quoting from an interesting article! I really don’t know if the law could be re-challenged on another reason.


61 posted on 07/06/2012 9:24:13 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most contemptable President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: EternalVigilance
It is a shame as we watch what they obtained for us to be SQUANDERED as you say. I want to cry for the America that was.

The America that those men fought for and penned with their brilliance to keep up from ALL HARM. Yet, here we are, does anyone recognize anything those men wrote down anymore?

They gave their LIVES and literally their FORTUNES for this cause, for us, my family was there. The America I see today is not worthy of what they did, so sad.

I say keep these Historical documents coming DAILY to FR, there are so many who have not learned these things in school (by design), we who love history never tire of it. Eventually they might ignite the spark and give us the clue on how to take back the America these men began.

They gave their LIVES and literally their FORTUNES for this cause, for us, my family was there. The America I see today is not worthy of what they did, so sad.

62 posted on 07/06/2012 9:26:01 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: katiedidit1
Have the republicans lost their minds? didn’t they get the message during the 2010 elections?

Yes, and no.

It has been no secret that the Republican Party has always had room on the bus for Conservatives--right next to the drive shaft.

63 posted on 07/06/2012 9:30:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: annieokie

Hey Annie, you forgot to erase the last paragraph after you copied and pasted to above. Heck, our founders didn’t even have copy and paste and they made perfect documents. Get a clue girl. lol


64 posted on 07/06/2012 9:31:39 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: matthew fuller
I really don’t know if the law could be re-challenged on another reason.

As far as SCOTUS is concerned, it would be like asking for a do-over after you've lost the championship game.

65 posted on 07/06/2012 9:34:31 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Since Roberts rewrote the law making it into a tax, it would seem like it could be argued that it should have originated in the House... but alas, I’m not a lawyer. Maybe the author, Tad MacKie knows more about this than I do.


66 posted on 07/06/2012 9:46:07 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Hussein Obama Dada is absolutely the most contemptable President that the US has ever suffered.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thank you.

I guess that's the reason I wasn't able to find it.

67 posted on 07/06/2012 9:54:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Madison Rising - The Star Spangled Banner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8C7i9kdEf8


68 posted on 07/06/2012 9:55:00 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: matthew fuller
Upon careful consideration, I have decided that the author is right.

We must get this to Judge Roberts, immediately! When he sees it, he's going to slap his forehead and say, 'Of course!! How did we all overlook this? Let's try 'er again!'

69 posted on 07/06/2012 10:06:39 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: matthew fuller

The tax origination issue is discussed in the link that follows. That avenue appears closed. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2903350/replies?c=17


70 posted on 07/07/2012 1:49:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Carry_Okie

Mea culpa. I should have ran it down before grabbing it and running with it. I was pretty busy yesterday, but that’s really no excuse. It’s so easy these days to check things out. Just drop a piece of the text into books.google.com and presto.


71 posted on 07/07/2012 5:10:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: katiedidit1

“have the Republicans lost their minds? Didn’t they get the message during the 2010 election?”

Yes they did get the message and they didn’t like it. Since then they’ve done everything possible to snuff out the tea party and have marginalized conservatives with great success. They are confident when presented with a choice between pure Marxism and big government socialism, the conservative base will choose the lesser of two evils.

Look at the behavior of Boehner since the 2010 election. Conservatives demanding change made his speakership possible, yet he refuses to use the institutional powers of the House to exert any control over the budget, repeal Obamacare, or limit the deficit. McConnell will do the same if he becomes Senate Majority Leader. Just like Hastert and Frist the last time Republicans controlled both Houses.

The Republican Party today is the crony capitalism socialist party. The Democrats are redistributionist communists. Conservatives believing in small government, property rights, and individual freedom have no party.

We have reached the point where the system is so corrupt it cannot reform itself. The elites who control both parties live lives of luxury insulated from the masses paying tribute. They are like the feudal lords living in the castle surrounded by a moat. They do not care about the lives of the serfs outside as long as the tribute keeps flowing. If the flow of coin is interrupted they will send the knights out to punish the serfs and extract even more.

Look at history. Once the elites are corrupted and isolated from the masses, conditions for the masses eventually reach the point of anarchy, revolution, and/or invasion from the outside.

We see the signs of anarchy around us in the inner cities and in rural areas. The serfs are arming themselves because the corrupt justice system will no longer keep the wolves at bay. The invasion from third world illegal immigrants has been going on for decades and is contributing to the breakdown of our culture. The already oppressive tax burden is high and will become unbearable next year with taxmageddon. Add to that the declining number of serfs actually working to support the overlords and we must be nearing a tipping point.

Will we transition to a heavy handed dictatorship for a few decades or fall drectly into a period of anarchy and violence? I don’t see a revolution by conservatives to reestablish the republic because their numbers are too small, they are not organized for concerted action, their leadership is fragmented, and they tend to be middle aged and older. Historically revolutionaries are young men with good leadership and a passion for the cause strong enough to make them willing to die for it.

Today I see stronger and more committed leadership on the left than the right. I haven’t seen one conservative leader emerge I believe is willing to commit her/his life to it. The cocktail parties in New York, Washington, Chicago, LA, and San Francisco are too nice for one to truly sacrifice all for the cause. If you don’t believe it ask Newt.

As long as our conservative leaders are in the comfort zone behind the wall of the castle, don’t expect them to pay more than lip service to the messages from the outside. Remember the blood is being shed everday by serfs under assault from the criminals and illegal immigrants running free outside the castle. The party is still going on inside.


72 posted on 07/07/2012 5:15:17 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for the ping.


73 posted on 07/07/2012 7:19:13 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Soul of the South

http://www.selfgovernment.us/about.html

http://www.tomhoefling.com/


74 posted on 07/07/2012 7:36:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Soul of the South
You are right. Newt knows it and so does Gov. Walker of Wisconsin. Isn't it exhausting to fight not only the democrats but the republicans too?
Repeating myself but no more Snowes, Romneys, McCains; we need more Newts and Walkers if we want to reverse the damage being done to our country. It won't happen in my lifetime and maybe never.
As for Boehner..compare what Newt would do as speaker of the house against a liberal president and there in lies the answer.
75 posted on 07/07/2012 8:24:47 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Rome2000

This time around, a whole different story. Of lot of youth struggling to fine work and pay off the student loans. Lost confidence in Obama.


76 posted on 07/07/2012 8:36:52 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Soul of the South

A second American revolution is coming. I did get the chance to see the American revolution special on the History Channel on July 4th and not all the revolutionaries were as you say “young”.


77 posted on 07/07/2012 8:55:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Soul of the South

Excellent post.


78 posted on 07/07/2012 9:07:41 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: vox_freedom
If it looks like we are going to win this big I would love to post this picture on my facebook page on Nov. 5th.

Except for one of my sisters the rest of my brothers and sisters are left wing loony tunes.

79 posted on 07/07/2012 9:15:39 AM PDT by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: Uncle Ike

Caution? The danger is already here, at best this puts into context of where we are, and what we must somehow do.


80 posted on 07/07/2012 2:03:53 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: EternalVigilance; All

I really want to buy that print.

Does anybody know the artist and name of this painting?


81 posted on 07/07/2012 4:31:23 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr

oops...the print in EV’s post 15.


82 posted on 07/07/2012 4:32:27 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr
"Scene at the Signing of the Constitution of the United States" by Howard Chandler Christy.  
83 posted on 07/07/2012 4:36:01 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks RC. Appreciated.


84 posted on 07/07/2012 4:39:57 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr

You’re welcome. All those art history courses weren’t a total waste of time, lol.


85 posted on 07/07/2012 4:42:40 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: rbmillerjr
“Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention... incompatible with personal security or the rights of property.”

-- James Madison


86 posted on 07/07/2012 8:03:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for this valuable thread. BTTT


87 posted on 07/08/2012 6:13:37 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
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To: Wife of D28Man
You're very welcome.


88 posted on 07/08/2012 6:19:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Wife of D28Man

This is a link to our campaign blog. If you click through some of the category links on the right column you’ll find some really good content:

http://www.tomhoefling.com/common-sense.html


89 posted on 07/08/2012 6:21:14 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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