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Orphans Pictured Chained Up in China
The Telegraph ^ | 06 Jul 2012 | Tom Phillips

Posted on 07/06/2012 5:01:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Authorities have suspended the director of an orphanage in eastern China after photographs showing two mentally disabled children shackled to furniture with metal chains were posted online.

The scandal, the latest example of how the internet and social media have become powerful weapons against human-rights abuses in China, broke late last month when photographs taken at an orphanage in Cangnan county, in Zhejiang province, began circulating online.

One image showed two boys, aged six and nine, eating from bowls while chained to a wooden bench with metal chains, rope and a blue bicycle lock.

“Is it a welfare home or child abuse home?” one user of Weibo, China’s answer to Twitter, wrote under the name Kevin-JK356.

Referring to the orphanage’s staff, he added: “Dig them out and make them spend the rest of their lives like this!”

Another angry 'netizen’, Fengse Wangxiang, wrote: “Can this place be called a welfare house? It should be called a violent house.”

Following the online reaction, authorities launched an investigation into allegations of misconduct at the orphanage which was reportedly home to 21 children, 19 of whom were physically or mentally disabled, and staffed by “four elderly women, who had received no training or care provision.” According to a report in the state-controlled Xinhua new agency, local officials admitted “nurses had used chains to confine the two boys, both of whom suffer mental illness”.

Xinhua said nurses had resorted to using chains “to prevent the boys from defecating uncontrollably and hurting other children”.

In a statement released this week Cangnan county’s Communist Party committee said it had placed the orphanage’s director under investigation and was looking into the “possible misconduct” of staff.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: children; china; communism

1 posted on 07/06/2012 5:01:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

(And they even recycle the "donated" organs!)

2 posted on 07/06/2012 5:04:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: nickcarraway

how about a big shout out for human-rights champion and secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton?


3 posted on 07/06/2012 5:12:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: Travis McGee

wtf is that graphic?


4 posted on 07/06/2012 5:14:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Looks like an execution to me. And they look as if they have done it before, too.


5 posted on 07/06/2012 5:18:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: rlmorel

#3 looks like he had done it before. He moved his head and face to avoid the splatter. Sickening.


6 posted on 07/06/2012 5:20:50 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: rlmorel

I would think one should cite the source of such a picture.


7 posted on 07/06/2012 5:21:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: nickcarraway
Scary, one of Obamas czars, LaHood just said, wish we were like China.
8 posted on 07/06/2012 5:26:00 PM PDT by iloveluci (Once burned you learn, no more Demo rats!)
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To: forgotten man

“He moved his head and face to avoid the splatter. Sickening.”

Why? At least in China they don’t mess around, if you do something that merits the death penalty you get a bullet to the back of the head fairly quickly. Here in the US you’re more likely to die of old age waiting for the state to kill you. Also, if you’ve got to die being shot in the head is about as painless as it gets.


9 posted on 07/06/2012 5:30:15 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: the invisib1e hand

It is an image of Liu Jinfeng seconds before her top part of her head was blown off. She killed the man that bought her, enslaved her, and beat her, and kept her chained up, so the Chinese government labled her a murderer and executed her. It is how the national police train to kill prisoners.


10 posted on 07/06/2012 5:35:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: Travis McGee
You had better cite the source of such a sick twisted picture.

If it is a fake, SAY SO!

DISGUSTING!

11 posted on 07/06/2012 5:41:12 PM PDT by jaz.357
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yeah, I hear you. I think that one is fairly well known, I seem to recall it was in the Guardian or something like that.

However the point is well made.


12 posted on 07/06/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: jaz.357

See post # 10


13 posted on 07/06/2012 5:57:50 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Yeah. Summary execution by the side of the road on the say so of the police is EXACTLY what this nation needs./s

Freedom is wasted on the likes of you.


14 posted on 07/06/2012 5:58:16 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: the invisib1e hand

There are more of those same pictures. I believe some of the others were Tibetan “separatists”. There is one picture of a whole line of them down the road, all getting ready to have their heads blown off by Chinese military. It has been posted on FR many times in the past.


15 posted on 07/06/2012 6:02:36 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: allmendream; the invisib1e hand

When I said in one of my previous posts that the point was well made, I was referring to the text on the image of the woman being executed.

Leftists all think someone else is going to get their arms held while a gun takes aim.

It is never them, until they are dragged away screaming how unfair it is, and how they support those about to kill them.


16 posted on 07/06/2012 6:09:48 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: allmendream

“Yeah. Summary execution by the side of the road on the say so of the police is EXACTLY what this nation needs./s

Freedom is wasted on the likes of you.”

It’s not the side of the road, if you look closely you’ll see that there are a bunch of executions going on and the wall that the gal being shot is facing looks to be designed to keep bullets from going any farther. As far as “freedom” I would ask what freedom are you talking about? We are certainly NOT free any more in the US but live in a police state just like most of the rest of the world and it is getting less free by the day. Also, the Chinese do have a justice system so it is not just on the say so of some cop that these people are killed, they stand trial just like people do here.

And if you think that the US justice system is any better I would bet that you haven’t been on a jury for years. The innocent in this country stand little to no chance against the system, just look at George Zimmerman, think he’s getting a fair shake or is it just another show trial for the politically connected?


17 posted on 07/06/2012 6:09:56 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: CodeToad

“It is an image of Liu Jinfeng seconds before her top part of her head was blown off. She killed the man that bought her, enslaved her, and beat her, and kept her chained up, so the Chinese government labled her a murderer and executed her. It is how the national police train to kill prisoners.”

Or so she says, unfortunately her husband isn’t around anymore to give his side of the story. Kind of like Mary Winkler here in the US. Shot her husband in the back with a shotgun while he was in bed, then unplugged the phone so he could not call for help and let him bleed out. Why? Well she claimed that he made her put on kinky clothes for sex. She spent about 6 months in jail on manslaughter before she was let out. I think I prefer the Chinese justice system when it comes to murders they are quick and efficient in handing out punishment.


18 posted on 07/06/2012 6:16:12 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: jaz.357

The caption is mine, but the photo is all too real. The “Free Tibet” website where I found it has the entire series. A few seconds after that photo, the ghoulish photog snapped one where the young lady is missing her head above the ears. But at least she didn’t make it easy for her executioners: two goons in dress uniforms had to hold her still for the shot. And I’m sure they were splashed in her blood. Her death was not entirely in vain, in that the photos recorded the reality of modern China. Other similar photos show the ambulances waiting behind the firing line, where doctors harvest the organs from the fresh corpses. I am not joking.


19 posted on 07/06/2012 7:11:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

That is why the Chinese are taking care to blow off the head and not just riddle the body with bullets.


20 posted on 07/06/2012 7:30:46 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: trapped_in_LA
"It’s not the side of the road, if you look closely you’ll see that there are a bunch of executions going on and the wall that the gal being shot is facing looks to be designed to keep bullets from going any farther. As far as “freedom” I would ask what freedom are you talking about? We are certainly NOT free any more in the US but live in a police state just like most of the rest of the world and it is getting less free by the day. Also, the Chinese do have a justice system so it is not just on the say so of some cop that these people are killed, they stand trial just like people do here.

And if you think that the US justice system is any better I would bet that you haven’t been on a jury for years. The innocent in this country stand little to no chance against the system, just look at George Zimmerman, think he’s getting a fair shake or is it just another show trial for the politically connected?"

 

You're a freak dude.  Anyone who admires the Chinese communist system of "justice" is a stone cold  f r e a k . 

You seem to be myopically  focused on the speed with which punishment for a guilty verdict of murder is meted out, rather than what constitutes a crime punishable by death under a communist system of "justice".  What planet have you been living on the past 20 years?. 

Here ya go.  Admire this:


21 posted on 07/06/2012 7:43:26 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: iloveluci

See reply #2


22 posted on 07/06/2012 7:57:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies - to ignorance. Speak honesty to corruption . Stand-up to liberal elite liars..)
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To: CaptainKrunch
You're a freak dude. Anyone who admires the Chinese communist system of "justice" is a stone cold f r e a k .

How about giving a substantive response instead of calling names.

One would be inclined to believe you don't HAVE a substantive answer by playing such games.

23 posted on 07/06/2012 8:10:09 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: trapped_in_LA
if you do something that merits the death penalty you get a bullet to the back of the head fairly quickly

And even if you don't, you get a bullet to the back of the head fairly quickly.

Guess they have us beat with efficient delivery of government services.

24 posted on 07/06/2012 11:05:52 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: papertyger
You're a freak dude. Anyone who admires the Chinese communist system of "justice" is a stone cold f r e a k .

How about giving a substantive response instead of calling names.

One would be inclined to believe you don't HAVE a substantive answer by playing such games.

Poop.

I say, you trolls work in teams, don't ya?  I've noticed that on other forums as well.  When one of your team members gets owned, you come to defend the indefensible with whatever nonsense you can muster.

The sentence that you choose to ignore here;

"You seem to be myopically  focused on the speed with which punishment for a guilty verdict of murder is meted out, rather than what constitutes a crime punishable by death under a communist system of "justice". 

-which was just below the one you posted was enough substantiation for calling someone a freak for admiring the Chinese communist system of INjustice.  

Aside from all that , it's really quite self explanatory why anyone living in the free-est nation on Earth would neccessarily have to be some kind of freak to be admiring the so called "justice system" of a totalitarian regime... isn't it?

25 posted on 07/07/2012 8:45:48 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: Valpal1
if you do something that merits the death penalty you get a bullet to the back of the head fairly quickly

And even if you don't, you get a bullet to the back of the head fairly quickly.

Guess they have us beat with efficient delivery of government services

Beautiful man.  Perfect.  Right on the money.

26 posted on 07/07/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

I did not say that I admired it only that it was much more efficient than ours in executing deathrow inmates. But since you want to compare the two, look at the US, how many people do we have warehoused in prisons? 2.25 million with another 8-9 million on probation that dwarfs any other nation out there, including China which has a fairly low prison population (around 100 per 100,000 versus the US where it is over 700 per 100,000). And no they are not killing people by the millions any more, you could hardly call China communist any more as it is far more capitalistic than we are here in the US. Take off the blinders dude the only freaks around here are those that turn a blind eye to what is going on in their own back yard while criticizing how other countries enforce their laws.


27 posted on 07/07/2012 6:22:49 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: CaptainKrunch

“Aside from all that , it’s really quite self explanatory why anyone living in the free-est nation on Earth ...”

Ya tell me how free we are while you’re getting your gonads groped at the airport while watching your 9 year old daughter get molested by some minority hire. Or tell me that when you try to drain the swamp in the back forty without the feds coming down on you like a ton of bricks for destroying “wetlands”. Or tell that to the organic milk farmers recently raided by FDA SWAT teams for selling raw milk. Only thing I can say to you is that you are about as blinded and ignorant as they come and if you think that the US courts are any less corrupt than they are in the rest of the world all you have to do is read Chief Justice Roberts ruling on Obama care or ask why most of Wall Street are not lined up against that wall in China. Pathetic.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 6:32:19 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: CaptainKrunch

We have evidence of Murderous Chinese Communists in every major American city. HUMAN BODIES. Preservered dissected bodies in action poses on full display for American’ entertainment and “education”. Ask who are these corpses? Do they have death certificates or give permission to have their remains exhibited?

China is a Darwinist, Godless nation wherein a human life liberty and justice are words with no meaning.


29 posted on 07/07/2012 6:36:08 PM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: papertyger

So are you an admirer of the Chinese system of justice?


30 posted on 07/07/2012 7:28:26 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial
So are you an admirer of the Chinese system of justice?

Are you an admirer of "trial by Sharpton?"

When you can pose a worthwhile question, get back to me.

31 posted on 07/08/2012 4:15:04 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: trapped_in_LA
While you may be so enamored by the “expediency and efficiency” of the Chinese; the Communist and brutally repressive, the so called “People's Republic” of China’s justice system; their expediency and efficiency of carrying out death sentences and their comparatively low prison population compared to ours; I for one would much rather live in a country that has an actual justice system and rule of law; one predicated on the presumption of innocence rather than the presumption of guilt; one that allows for reasonable appeals and one that doesn’t immediately line up “offenders” upon conviction, including convicted political dissidents and various non-violent criminals up against a wall, shooting them in the head based on a system where guilt is automatically assumed and the guilty and the innocent are treated no differently with none having any chance of mounting any sort of appeal once the government has deemed one to be guilty. Do you really want a system of justice here that lines up convicted petty non-violent criminals, DUI offenders, someone arrested with a small amount of marijuana, someone who was uploading music via the internet, someone in violation of the “One Child” policy along with convicted murders and rapists – all to be summarily and quickly executed just to keep the prison population low?

As infuriating as it is sometimes; I for one (and YMMV) would much rather have and support a larger prison population rather than a system of “justice” where people are summarily executed on the spot immediately after “conviction” for all sorts of “crimes”, including petty and “thought” crimes after a “show trial” where the “state” holds all the cards and where accusation automatically = conviction.

I’d much rather see a justice system like we have here; where occasionally a guilty man goes free because the “State” perpetrated a miscarriage of justice; where they violated the rule of law and manufactured false or withheld evidence just to get a conviction, even when the perp was let free on a technicality even if the perp was probably guilty, rather than a system of justice where the state can do and say anything just to get a conviction even when the actual evidence proves the person innocent and a truly innocent person is convicted and or executed.

I’m not at all against the death penalty for premeditated murder and I think it should be used more, but I also think that before the “state” executes a free citizen – takes the life of a citizen for such a crime; the “state” had better well have proved their conviction, one that can stand up to an appeal – the right to a fair and impartial appeal being a very important part of our system of justice and the right of every citizen.

And while you espouse and are so enamored with the expediency and efficiency of the Chinese government in carrying out “their laws”, tell us how you feel about the expediency and efficiency with which the Chinese government carries out its “one child” policy – forced sterilizations and forced abortions….one can certainly not argue that the Chi-Coms are very efficient and expedient in carrying out those laws.

32 posted on 07/08/2012 9:11:00 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

Are you really so myopic as to imagine the “expediency and efficiency” of Chinese “justice” is an inherent characteristic of their political system, or that our grossly misapplied exercises of police powers are inherent to ours?


33 posted on 07/08/2012 9:59:42 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Travis McGee

That picture is so behind the times. It can be much more antiseptic now. We have unmanned drones who can take out citizens.


34 posted on 07/08/2012 10:01:34 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: trapped_in_LA
" And no they are not killing people by the millions any more, you could hardly call China communist any more as it is far more capitalistic than we are here in the US."

You need not say one more word in order to convince me that I'm arguing with an abject ignoramous.

And ditto with papertyger.

 

35 posted on 07/08/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: Broker

"We have evidence of Murderous Chinese Communists in every major American city. HUMAN BODIES. Preservered dissected bodies in action poses on full display for American’ entertainment and “education”. Ask who are these corpses? Do they have death certificates or give permission to have their remains exhibited?

China is a Darwinist, Godless nation wherein a human life liberty and justice are words with no meaning."

You get it. 
 
Sadly, some here choose to accept the fraudlent, politically correct portrait of communist China.   
 

36 posted on 07/08/2012 11:10:17 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
." You need not say one more word in order to convince me that I'm arguing with an abject ignoramous. And ditto with papertyger.

Assuming you actually know the definition of the word "ignoramus," I have to ask...when's the last time YOU were in China?

37 posted on 07/08/2012 11:40:43 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: CaptainKrunch
Sadly, some here choose to accept the fraudlent, politically correct portrait of communist China.

I see you are content to "double down" on stupid.

Please tell me one fact you know about China that is not "common knowledge" in western circles.

38 posted on 07/08/2012 11:52:59 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger
"Assuming you actually know the definition of the word "ignoramus," I have to ask...when's the last time YOU were in China?"

LOL.  When was the last time you were in China?  That time you serving as an attaché to the communist propaganda minister in Hunan Province?

So you and trapdoorLA are here to convince me that the freedom, liberty and justice that I plainly see displayed here everyday in the USA is 10 times far LESS prevalent here in the USA than I thought it was, and that freedom, liberty and justice in communist China is 10 times far MORE prevalent in communist China than I thought it was.  Hmmmm.  I guess I'm gonna go with my original assumption that you guys are either dedicated left-wing trolls, or, your brains have become inverted by left-wing propaganda disseminated through the American media and American institutions of "learning".  After all, we have a genuine Marxist ideologue sitting in our White House pretending to be president of the United States.  Apparently, 30-40% of our population has socialist/communist/Marxist political sympathies or the Marxist usurper that now occupies the White House wouldn't have stood a chance at getting himself elected (the other 10% needed to put him over the top I attribute to voter fraud).

For your enjoyment:

China103006_058.jpg

 

39 posted on 07/08/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
LOL. When was the last time you were in China? That time you serving as an attaché to the communist propaganda minister in Hunan Province?

No. 2009, when I adopted my daughter.

Why adopt from China when we have so many red blooded American orphans?

Because you can no longer get a "closed" adoption in America, and the State will jump in to "help" the crack whore birthmother shake you down until you pony up enough cash to get her to go away.

So you and trapdoorLA are here to convince me that the freedom, liberty and justice that I plainly see displayed here everyday in the USA is 10 times far LESS prevalent here in the USA than I thought it was, and that freedom, liberty and justice in communist China is 10 times far MORE prevalent in communist China than I thought it was.

No. I'm here to point out the fact that you are a chauvinist bigot. That you know nothing about China beyond hear-say. And that you are too stupid to recognize the "freedom, liberty, and justice that you plainly see displayed here everyday in the USA" is a textbook example of "what a fool believes, he sees."

I guess I'm gonna go with my original assumption that you guys are either dedicated left-wing trolls, or, your brains have become inverted by left-wing propaganda disseminated through the American media and American institutions of "learning".

Well that would make you a poster-boy for the old adage about "assuming."

I've been actively and steadily FReeping for fourteen years, n00b. You're the last Swinging Richard I need to show my bona fides.

Apparently, 30-40% of our population has socialist/communist/Marxist political sympathies or the Marxist usurper that now occupies the White House wouldn't have stood a chance at getting himself elected (the other 10% needed to put him over the top I attribute to voter fraud).

And while that may well be true, I'm not one of them.

Furthermore, I wouldn't venture a guess as to the percentage of our population too myopic to recognize authoritarian repressions committed by other countries do not mitigate authoritarian repressions committed by my own country, but apparently you are...

Freedom? Try burning a koran.

Liberty? Try publicly opposing abortion.

Justice? Try defending yourself from a beat down from someone a head taller than you who happens to be black.

The problem with people like you is they're too stupid to recognize a "distinction without difference" and too proud to admit they've been suckered.

And before you throw the standard "then why don't you move to China" cliche so popular among those with nothing left to say, I'll answer with "because this is my country, not China."

40 posted on 07/09/2012 1:46:23 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: CaptainKrunch

“You need not say one more word in order to convince me that I’m arguing with an abject ignoramous.”

Well, I should have known better than to try and reason with some yahoo that uses a kids sugary cereal as his on-line name. Good luck in your little fantasy world dude, you’ll need it.


41 posted on 07/09/2012 1:44:13 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: MD Expat in PA

You don’t seem to be getting it, all the characteristics that you list for the US justice system simply are not there any more. Sure I would love to live in a country that actually provided actual justice and a presumption of innocence but that unfortunately is not the US of A any more. People that get up on their high horse about China or other third world legal systems don’t seem to understand that ours is not all that much better and in some ways is worse than what you would experience as a citizen of some other country. You have bought the propaganda that’s been drilled into your head for your entire life that the US has “the best legal system in the world and fully protects its citizens”, it nothing but propaganda and even a passing search and honest attempt to open your eyes to that will make it quite clear that you are being lied to.

Is China a beacon of light in a dark world as far as their legal system is concerned? No far from it, it is in reality not much better or worse than most of the other legal systems out there, including the US legal system.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 1:57:47 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: papertyger

papertger,

Good responses but I’m afraid that you’re wasting your time with these clowns. They’ve closed their eyes to any and all things bad happening in the US.

I switched over from being a Republican to a Libertarian a long time ago once I realized that the Dems and Repubs were just two sides of the same coin and voting for either still got you the same thing in the end. Congratulations on your new daughter, hopefully she will be a blessing and joy to you and yours.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 2:14:16 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA
Sure I would love to live in a country that actually provided actual justice and a presumption of innocence but that unfortunately is not the US of A any more.

You put your finger right on my favorite illustration.

It is logically impossible to maintain the police may lie to a suspect for the purpose of obtaining evidence against them, AND that said suspect enjoys a "presumption of innocence."

Anyone who can not see these two principles are mutually exclusive is not smart enough to be involved in any serious discussion of freedom, liberty, and justice.

44 posted on 07/10/2012 1:03:58 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: trapped_in_LA
"Well, I should have known better than to try and reason with some yahoo that uses a kids sugary cereal as his on-line name. Good luck in your little fantasy world dude, you’ll need it."

Wrong Captain Crunch.  My user name is a tribute to Keith "Captain Crunch" Hall.

 

"Is China a beacon of light in a dark world as far as their legal system is concerned? No far from it, it is in reality not much better or worse than most of the other legal systems out there, including the US legal system."

Righto'.  And 9/11 was an inside job.

You people are insane.  I hope the PTB on this forum don't allow you nuts to keep getting the last word in on various threads all over the place and take over this conservative forum.  I witnessed another forum destroyed by libertine libertarians, anarchists and Marxist trolls (who all oddly seem to be in ideological alignment on various levels) because the owner of the forum decided to let the forum govern itself.

 

"I switched over from being a Republican to a Libertarian a long time ago.."

That explains a lot.  Paulbots.  I gotta news flash for ya.  This is a conservative forum, not a Paulbot libertarian forum.  Maybe, your illogical rantings would be better appreciated on a libertarian forum somewhere.  You and papertyger will not be converting anyone here to you asinine ideology.  Guarantee.  Conservatives look upon your views with the same contempt with which we look upon Ron Paul's foreign policy views.  And uhh.. you guys always being insistent on getting the last word in on threads like these are the well known offensive guerilla tactics of Ron Paul libertarians all over the internet. 

We conservatives know that our freedoms here in the USA are sustaining increasing erosion and are under attack by the enemies within.  But to compare the justice system of the free democratic society of the USA to that of the communist totalitarian regime in China is absurd, immature, and grossly ignorant.  It's the equivalent of morally lumping together a hardened mass murderer with a wayward boyscout who's started smoking cigarettes and cursing.

45 posted on 07/10/2012 12:19:06 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom is what's fair.)
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OK Captain Crunch I’ll slink off to my Paulbot Libertarian web site and leave you to thump your chest about how grand the good old US of A is. Now that I’ve had the last word I guess there really is no further point in posting here.

Oh and please don’t lump the 9/11 truthers in with the Paulbots they are not the same crowd. Although I will admit to being suspicious about the TWA flight 800 crash I can see no reason why anyone would believe that the US government participated in 9/11.


46 posted on 07/10/2012 8:17:22 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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