Skip to comments.Initiative would let voters overrule federal law
Posted on 07/06/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB
PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.
The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.
More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."
That could occur through a vote of the state House and Senate with consent of the governor.
But that also could occur through a popular vote on a ballot measure, effectively allowing voters to decide which federal laws they feel infringe on Arizona's rights as a sovereign state.
Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/initiative-would-let-voters-overrule-federal-law/article_50d0e77c-d27c-5828-a3b6-d818c0042700.html#ixzz1zuNKE6ZN
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Damn. I may end up moving to Arizona yet...
If its not between the States its none of the feds business...
Thought you guys might find this interesting.
Oh the horror of it all ... voters could override the Fed. Oh, the horror of it all. LET FREEDOM RING.
Have you seen this thread Jinx?
Interesting times coming possibly.
AZ is poised to be Ground Zero for for standing its ground against this lawless Regime.
It is simply a matter of being righteously pi**ed. And, justifiably so!
” - - - effectively allowing voters to decide which federal laws they feel infringe on Arizona’s rights as a sovereign state.”
Newton said: “For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.”
Duh, Traitor John Roberts decided that the SCOTUS has the right to tax EVERYBODY, sooooooooooooo, the good citizens of Arizona are going to interpret the Constitution the way that THEY want to.
What goes around comes around.
“moving to Arizona yet..”
My first reaction, also! And I love the snow:(
This has been tried before. Twice. I think we’ve learned just who has the bigger stick. Arizona is dependent on the Federal government anyway through block-grants. This is the 21st century. The feds don’t need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force. All they have to do is hold back funding until Arizona gives in- and give in they will.
Flagstaff is at 7,000 feet, and gets plenty of snow. That is where I would move if I went to Arizona.
Glad to see the states beginning to give the feds the finger. Turnabout is fair play.
I’m really liking the Republicans in Arizona and Wisconsin.
They are conservative and know how to play hardball.
The actual basis for the Civil War...
The seeds of unrest....socialism vs liberty and the Constitution
I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didn’t create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftist’s will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.
For a “Civil War” you have to have 2 sides willing to fight each other. We have nothing to gain from fighting the left and the left have nothing to fight us with LoL.
I think we can convince both sides that both would be a lot happier if we did not live together under the same overbearing central government.
“I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didnt create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftists will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.”
I agree whole heatedly. Let California create their own version of hell on earth for themselves and themselves alone for all I care. Any virtuous Californian needs to make like Lot and leave while they still can.
Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.
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Can NOT be done. Supremacy clause. Unconstitutional on it’s face. We want to make changes? let’s not do the fundamentally stupid. It is a waste of time.
Actually it can be done; the supremacy clause applies only to laws made pursuant to the Constitution, therefore all laws made by Congress Repugnant to the constitution are not so protected.
So is the government being able to force you to buy something, and giving you a fine for not buying said thing.
Oh boy, this sounds like fun. I’m going to talk to some of my activist friends and legislators in Virginia.
The states accepted offers of candy from the feds with strings attached, now this habit is a hard thing to break
Great idea, good to know we still have patriots in America that are willing to bet it all.
Obama of course will throw a childish temper tantrum.
But ideally we should consider even if its just talk the concept of most or all red states opting out of Obamacare first off, and also opting out of the upcoming election.
The electors will not be used, instead it will be done by a popular vote. The field will be reset and so will the play clock.
Its first and ten...
That is it in a nutshell. When EVERYTHING has been nationalized the stakes are very high indeed.
In a return to the Revolutionary period of America its also time to re-invent the Continental Militia.
Not quite a National Guard, not quite a police force.
Its always Freepers from the east and west coast who are most afraid of states standing up to the Feds. I hope the “sit down to pee’ers” get a new lesson in secession. At first you don’t secede....
I'm with you - the humidity in S, Mississippi is a bit much; some dry air might be just the ticket.
Having recently returned from Arizona where it was 107, I can testify that even though it is a dry heat......... it is still hot, hot, hot!
...totally under the control of the governor and has the pwer to patrol border and other functions.
In my estimation if Isreal,which is the size and population of New Jersy, can have a full blown military then any state could muster one.
Ah, not exactly!
Article 6, paragraph 2
Many use this clause when arguing that all laws written by the US Congress are supreme over any other. This is true, only in so far as when Federal laws are Constitutional.
If congress passes an unconstitutional law, in other words, a law that is passed which requires power not enumerated to the Federal government in the Constitution, this is an unlawful law, it is null and void; and neither the States, nor the people are obligated to abide by it.
Thomas Jefferson made the following statement regarding powers assumed by the Federal government (not enumerated by the Constitution):
I agree it can be HOT! (vs. hot), but I spent 6 years in SW Oklahoma and 105 felt better there than 95 with 95% humidity does here. It’s depressing when you step out of the house at 5 AM and your underwear are “stuck” within 5 steps...
i like it, although my pessimism is maxed out for anything to happen to slow the beast in the near future...
Rebellion would be a more appropriate term. Were it to happen.
An uprising against the feral government.
Nice dream. Don’t see it happening.
And who determines what federal laws are unconstitutional? Not the states, that has been determined in a long string of court cases going back to the earliest days of the Republic.
Roberts has rendered the Constitution moot. If he can grant fictitious powers to the Feds then I as a citizen will look to the state houses for relief. Finding none there then the last "box" will have to be employed.
Each state SHOULD be able to determine its own details of government...including the extent of Federal involvement it chooses.
NONE of us signed on for 8.2 trillion of debt DC has generated out of failure to provide oversight of out of control Federal agencies.
“The feds dont need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force....”
Ya might want to think about that a little bit...
“... in May 2010 “ the US federal budget deficit was $83 billion, or about $8.90 per person per day. Now the Washington Times (hat tip: the American Thinker) reports that the US government has posted its largest monthly deficit in history, $223 billion in February. Now that means that the US government borrowed nearly $26 per person per day. “
I could not find the change from March 2011 to 2012....but a TRIPLING from 2010 to 2011 means the end game is right around the corner...IMHO. Arizona knows it. California denies it.
Clearly constitutional under the Tenth Amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The Constitution was established with the concept of sovereign states, but it has been subverted to have the states ruled from DC. This is a first step in re-establishing The Tenth Amendment!
Well no, obviously not the federal government; otherwise they will construe the Constitution to allow anything.... just as Obamacare shows.
I think there's another way to force the issue, and it involves the next step on the immigration issue: the USSC declared that the state couldn't enforce Federal laws... but they said nothing about prohibiting the State from defending itself from invasion.
Precisely because those states will lose power. (I think it also has to do, tangentially, with the destruction of States being represented in Congress [the 17th Amd].)
We could be seeing the return fire in what appears to be a looming, potential civil war. However, this raises some interesting questions. Let's assume that, in Nov., the voters throw zero out on his keester and the new administration is, shall we say, "friendlier" to the red states than zero has been. Additionally, let's assume that the AZ voters approve this initiative.
When the new administration is sworn in, will the AZ governor sign this bill? Right now, passions are high and people are ready to jump. But, if zero is thrown out, those passions could quickly die off and this bill might get "lost" on the governor's desk.
That's one "what-if" scenario. The other scenrio involves the passage of the initiative and zero manages to remain in the WH. How far are both sides actually willing to go in this "turf" war?
Potentially interesting times ahead. Invest in popcorn stock!
Interesting observation. Adds a little extra flame to a smoldering fire.
Pretty much a given IMHO since the states via their delegations created the feral government. Not the first time a created vessel has rebelled against its creator. Babel on the Potomac will somehow have to be brought to heel but with so many states and people beholden to the federales by way of a carrot generated from confiscated taxes, it won't be a pretty sight. The feral tentacles reaching into EVERYTHING we and the states do has created a fur ball that will be hard to cough up.
The emasculation of the states and We The People by our feral leaders AND their media enablers has brought us to a precipice. Many of the states; even those that might want to, will not unilaterally choose to assert their powers under the Constitution until they are pretty sure their respective citizens are behind them. It's up to US to apply the pressure. There are a lot of states who have no intentions of standing up because for whatever reasons, are on board the centralized government train.
God help us...
Fantastic! I may move back there.