Skip to comments.Initiative would let voters overrule federal law
Posted on 07/06/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB
PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.
The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.
More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."
That could occur through a vote of the state House and Senate with consent of the governor.
But that also could occur through a popular vote on a ballot measure, effectively allowing voters to decide which federal laws they feel infringe on Arizona's rights as a sovereign state.
Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/initiative-would-let-voters-overrule-federal-law/article_50d0e77c-d27c-5828-a3b6-d818c0042700.html#ixzz1zuNKE6ZN
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Each state SHOULD be able to determine its own details of government...including the extent of Federal involvement it chooses.
NONE of us signed on for 8.2 trillion of debt DC has generated out of failure to provide oversight of out of control Federal agencies.
“The feds dont need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force....”
Ya might want to think about that a little bit...
“... in May 2010 “ the US federal budget deficit was $83 billion, or about $8.90 per person per day. Now the Washington Times (hat tip: the American Thinker) reports that the US government has posted its largest monthly deficit in history, $223 billion in February. Now that means that the US government borrowed nearly $26 per person per day. “
I could not find the change from March 2011 to 2012....but a TRIPLING from 2010 to 2011 means the end game is right around the corner...IMHO. Arizona knows it. California denies it.
Clearly constitutional under the Tenth Amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The Constitution was established with the concept of sovereign states, but it has been subverted to have the states ruled from DC. This is a first step in re-establishing The Tenth Amendment!
Well no, obviously not the federal government; otherwise they will construe the Constitution to allow anything.... just as Obamacare shows.
I think there's another way to force the issue, and it involves the next step on the immigration issue: the USSC declared that the state couldn't enforce Federal laws... but they said nothing about prohibiting the State from defending itself from invasion.
Precisely because those states will lose power. (I think it also has to do, tangentially, with the destruction of States being represented in Congress [the 17th Amd].)
We could be seeing the return fire in what appears to be a looming, potential civil war. However, this raises some interesting questions. Let's assume that, in Nov., the voters throw zero out on his keester and the new administration is, shall we say, "friendlier" to the red states than zero has been. Additionally, let's assume that the AZ voters approve this initiative.
When the new administration is sworn in, will the AZ governor sign this bill? Right now, passions are high and people are ready to jump. But, if zero is thrown out, those passions could quickly die off and this bill might get "lost" on the governor's desk.
That's one "what-if" scenario. The other scenrio involves the passage of the initiative and zero manages to remain in the WH. How far are both sides actually willing to go in this "turf" war?
Potentially interesting times ahead. Invest in popcorn stock!
Interesting observation. Adds a little extra flame to a smoldering fire.
Pretty much a given IMHO since the states via their delegations created the feral government. Not the first time a created vessel has rebelled against its creator. Babel on the Potomac will somehow have to be brought to heel but with so many states and people beholden to the federales by way of a carrot generated from confiscated taxes, it won't be a pretty sight. The feral tentacles reaching into EVERYTHING we and the states do has created a fur ball that will be hard to cough up.
The emasculation of the states and We The People by our feral leaders AND their media enablers has brought us to a precipice. Many of the states; even those that might want to, will not unilaterally choose to assert their powers under the Constitution until they are pretty sure their respective citizens are behind them. It's up to US to apply the pressure. There are a lot of states who have no intentions of standing up because for whatever reasons, are on board the centralized government train.
God help us...
Fantastic! I may move back there.
Nothing but rhetorical gestures. This is similar to the Nullification movement and the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions neither of which accomplished anything of significance.
The only rebellion taking place is that of Washington’s against our Federal Constitution.
Well, I’ll put Flagstaff on my list!
California seems so far beyond denial that to a thinking person it has moved into genuine insanity. Note CA just passed a huge bond issue to build high speed rail. With a $19 billion (or more) 2011-2012 deficit, doing this is mass mental illness.
This level of delusion says to me that when the house of cards comes down, it could be real anarchy in the urban areas of the state. Places like LA have the potential of Mad Max scenarios. And every scumbag is armed while all the latte libs are in their (unarmed) alternate universe.
Even scarier is the impact that CA's crash will have on the other states. The level of commerce that comes through CA from Asia is gargantuan.
“All they have to do is hold back funding until Arizona gives in- and give in they will.”
Well, Braveheart, all the states need to do is refuse to send federal receipts onto Washington. I bet you never thought of that. If you had, you wouldn’t have made the stupid post quoted above.
State governments don’t collect the federal taxes on their citizens. In the early days of the Republic, most funds (excluding tariffs and excise taxes) were gathered from the states, not directly from the citizens. That meant that the state governments were ones collecting, and as of such, they did possess some control over that process. That is no longer the case - the vast, vast majority of federal income is taken directly from individuals or companies, with states never entering the process.
Not so. Remember where the feds got that "federal money" in the first place. If they have money left over after they do the stuff they're SUPPOSED to do, with which to bribe states to participate in unConstitutional schemes against the wishes of THEIR taxpayers, it means the feds have overcharged and that amount may justifiably be withheld from federal tax payments.
Unfortunately, California will most likely receive a Federal bailout. States that fail pass their debt to all of us. . . now that's fair.
“”Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.”
Unfortunately, California will most likely receive a Federal bailout. States that fail pass their debt to all of us. . . now that’s fair. “
Indeed it is a great injustice of Washington D.C. that passes the consequences of poor choices of some states & people upon everyone else. What an abusive union that allows such a thing.
This is but one more thing that must be added to the list of grievances with have with the present lawless Federal Government & union.