Initiative would let voters overrule federal law

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[arrogantsob]

Nothing but rhetorical gestures. This is similar to the Nullification movement and the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions neither of which accomplished anything of significance.

[Monorprise]

The only rebellion taking place is that of Washington’s against our Federal Constitution.

[huldah1776]

Well, I’ll put Flagstaff on my list!

[ChildOfThe60s]

the end game is right around the corner...IMHO. Arizona knows it. California denies it.

California seems so far beyond denial that to a thinking person it has moved into genuine insanity. Note CA just passed a huge bond issue to build high speed rail. With a $19 billion (or more) 2011-2012 deficit, doing this is mass mental illness.

This level of delusion says to me that when the house of cards comes down, it could be real anarchy in the urban areas of the state. Places like LA have the potential of Mad Max scenarios. And every scumbag is armed while all the latte libs are in their (unarmed) alternate universe.

Even scarier is the impact that CA's crash will have on the other states. The level of commerce that comes through CA from Asia is gargantuan.

[sergeantdave]

“All they have to do is hold back funding until Arizona gives in- and give in they will.”

Well, Braveheart, all the states need to do is refuse to send federal receipts onto Washington. I bet you never thought of that. If you had, you wouldn’t have made the stupid post quoted above.

[JerseyanExile]

State governments don’t collect the federal taxes on their citizens. In the early days of the Republic, most funds (excluding tariffs and excise taxes) were gathered from the states, not directly from the citizens. That meant that the state governments were ones collecting, and as of such, they did possess some control over that process. That is no longer the case - the vast, vast majority of federal income is taken directly from individuals or companies, with states never entering the process.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks ForGod’sSake.

[Still Thinking]

This has been tried before. Twice. I think we’ve learned just who has the bigger stick. Arizona is dependent on the Federal government anyway through block-grants. This is the 21st century. The feds don’t need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force. All they have to do is hold back funding until Arizona gives in- and give in they will.

Not so. Remember where the feds got that "federal money" in the first place. If they have money left over after they do the stuff they're SUPPOSED to do, with which to bribe states to participate in unConstitutional schemes against the wishes of THEIR taxpayers, it means the feds have overcharged and that amount may justifiably be withheld from federal tax payments.

[mia]

Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.

Unfortunately, California will most likely receive a Federal bailout. States that fail pass their debt to all of us. . . now that's fair.

[Monorprise]

“”Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.”

Unfortunately, California will most likely receive a Federal bailout. States that fail pass their debt to all of us. . . now that’s fair. “

Indeed it is a great injustice of Washington D.C. that passes the consequences of poor choices of some states & people upon everyone else. What an abusive union that allows such a thing.

This is but one more thing that must be added to the list of grievances with have with the present lawless Federal Government & union.

[RKBA Democrat]

I admire the chutzpah, but those so-called courts of justice will smack this down in short order. I think a better tact would be to simply make AZ a very difficult state to govern.

Try this for starters: an initiative to forbid state or local jails or prisons from housing Federal prisoners. You could also forbid localities from receiving any funds from Federal asset forfeiture.

[RKBA Democrat]

Very true. It has occurred to several FReepers that perhaps the leftists are actually pushing towards a divorce. Ultimately, the conservatives will do what they can to confound the leftists dream of setting up a socialist paradise. Poltics makes for strange bedfellows.

[Da Bilge Troll]

Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone.

Unfortunately, we won't be left alone - for the same reason we all have to use "no-flo" toilets because Kalifornia has a water shortage. While the Marxists loved the idea, it was federalized because business did not want to produce 2 different kinds of water closets.

[dennisw]

When Feds withhold rightful money going to Arizona..... Arizona announces it is asking all Arizona taxpayers to send Federale taxes to Arizona state Gov’t to be held in escrow. Then used in place of Federale funds witheld

[RKBA Democrat]

LOL! So how do you explain all the Virginians here?

Must be something in the water....

[RKBA Democrat]

LOL! So how do you explain all the Virginians here?

Must be something in the water....