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As smoking ban marks second year, restaurant business is up
Journal Sentinel ^ | By Alison Bauter of the Journal Sentinel July 5, 2012 | Alison Bauter

Posted on 07/06/2012 9:51:02 PM PDT by Drango

Wisconsin's workplace smoking ban turned 2 years old Thursday, and despite critics' fears, overall sales in the hospitality industry are up slightly.

The Wisconsin Restaurant Association's Pete Hanson said Wisconsin taverns and eateries followed national economic trends and largely were unaffected by the ban.

~snip Based on state tax collection data, Hanson said restaurant and tavern sales overall increased 1% in 2010 and 2% in 2011, mirroring national trends. Conversely, the subcategory of bars and taverns saw around a 4% decrease during that time, but Hanson notes that trend has been ongoing for many years.

Overall, Hanson said the smoking ban "has been positive for the restaurant industry. It's been great for the health of our employees and customers."

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"The economic numbers don't match that," she countered.

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Overall, compliance with the law has been high, with only 1% of businesses statewide receiving complaints, according to the state Department of Health Services.

Martin, also president of the Dodge County Tavern League, said despite the smoking area, her business has taken a 30% hit.

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"It will never go back to being able to smoke in the bar," Martin said, "but we're hoping for changes in the law that will make things a lot easier on the industry."

Busalacchi said SmokeFree Wisconsin would oppose any legislation of that nature.

"You start messing around with partially enclosed or that kind of thing, and you end up contaminating all of the air," she said.

SmokeFree Wisconsin will push the Legislature to look at the small, flavored cigars sold cheaply at many gas stations and convenience stores that Busalacchi said target young people and encourage them to smoke.

The group also is working to limit smoking in public venues on tribal lands statewide, including casinos.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antismokingscam; antitobaccoscam; pufflist; scam; smokefreescam
UP!
1 posted on 07/06/2012 9:51:12 PM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango

Huzzah!
Now they can start taxing people for porking out!
Congratulations.


2 posted on 07/06/2012 9:53:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Drango

I live in Florida. Bar owners have discovered that if they serve no food, they can allow smoking. Most taverns which follow that script are packed. Those fern bars which cater to the sweeter crowd have more limited attendance.


3 posted on 07/06/2012 9:57:34 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: mylife

It started with the smokers, now the tax bullseye is on the back of the restaurant and bar patrons. Don’t complain when you get taxed by the calorie, or have to pay $20 for a shot of whiskey, or $10 for a bottle of beer. As a smoker, I would vote for just such a tax, just to teach you a lesson in individual rights. You voted for it, and now you have given the government a precedent to exploit it, and exploit it they will.


4 posted on 07/06/2012 10:12:25 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

They never learn.
But I would never vote for a fat tax.


5 posted on 07/06/2012 10:14:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

How about a flat tax?


6 posted on 07/06/2012 10:26:24 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Drango

It doesn’t matter if business is up or down because of the ban. Stats are very flexible and can be twisted to show virtually anything. The improvement is debatable.

What’s more important is liberty. So maybe overall business is up, but what about the owner who wanted to cater to smokers. Is their business down? Shouldn’t they have the right to run their own business how they wish?

You could also pass laws mandating that every business serve only health foods. Let’s say, for sake of argument, that people are healthier as a result. That’s a public good, too, so wouldn’t that law be justified under the same principles of the anti-smoking zealots?

BTW, I’m not a smoker, and I detest cigarette smoke. I just don’t see why that gives me the right to deprive other people of their property rights. Unfortunately, we live in an era where citizens like to bludgeon each other with the law. One of most frightening phrases uttered by Americans (all too often): “There ought to be a law!”


7 posted on 07/06/2012 10:28:31 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: doc1019

You’ll never get a flat tax unless the entire system crumbles.
There are to many people making a living off of the current convoluted tax code.
They won’t go quietly into the night.


8 posted on 07/06/2012 10:33:47 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Drango

so they take credit for good trends but the bad trend of bars and taverns...ahh its been like that for years


9 posted on 07/06/2012 11:52:34 PM PDT by lifeisagame
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To: Drango
They say business has gone up after the ban was in effect. They don't say how much it went down during the transition.

Similar reporting, from ND: 1982, rig count in the region drops from 212 to 54. By 1986, the rig count was down to 2. In the same year a headline proclaimed "Oil drilling activity doubles!" (rig count had gone up to 4).

All sorts of games can be played with statistics and the reporting thereof. How many businesses went under, too?

10 posted on 07/07/2012 12:05:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Drango; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Wisconsin eating out without smoking ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 2:11:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Drango; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...
UP!

Yeah, up your nose with a rubber hose.

Nanny State PING!

12 posted on 07/07/2012 2:24:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Drango

“Based on state tax collection data, Hanson said restaurant and tavern sales overall increased 1% in 2010 and 2% in 2011, mirroring national trends.”

Of course, that 1% couldn’t possibly have anything to do with price increases due to the increased food and oil prices?


13 posted on 07/07/2012 3:26:58 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: factoryrat
So when do they go after all you can eat fish fries or buffets? They could weigh the patrons when they come in and leave to assess a new tax. ;-)
14 posted on 07/07/2012 3:33:37 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Drango

Why post this j/ s crap? Another Saturday am shot to hell.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 3:36:23 AM PDT by damncat
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To: Drango
Conversely, the subcategory of bars and taverns saw around a 4% decrease during that time, but Hanson notes that trend has been ongoing for many years.

Nice spin their Hanson.

No doubt another Nany-State, leftist Bureaucrat who has never held a real job in his life and knows 0 about the restaurant business.

Whereby the avg. profit margin on food is 8 - 14%, the avg profit margins on alcohol is 20 - 30%.

Thus if a restaurant has gross sales of say, $200,000 in food and an equal amount in alcohol, their increased profits of (Whoopee!) 1% in food = a WHOPPING $2,000....

...while their DECREASE of 4% profit in alcohol, = a LOSS of $8,000.

Does not take a math genius to figure out that $8,000 - $1,000 = a NET LOSS of $7,000, but hey, we are saving the chillun's health dontcha know?

16 posted on 07/07/2012 4:11:14 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Drango

>>It’s been great for the health of our employees and customers.” <<

Well that’s based on a lie.


17 posted on 07/07/2012 4:19:50 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Drango

I see you are celebrating the trampling of private property rights. Your ilk brought us Obamacare and you will soon be able to celebrate a long list of liberty trampling activities.

While the death of liberty makes me sick to my stomach, you celebrate. Jefferson had a fine suggestion to resolve this situation.


18 posted on 07/07/2012 5:40:21 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: mylife
They won’t go quietly into the night.

That's why they should be hung in broad daylight. Right after they have been tarred and feathered.

19 posted on 07/07/2012 7:43:15 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 07/07/2012 8:08:35 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CSM

I cant smoke anywhere at work any more, not even in my car in the parking lot.
So I put in an extra hour a day to cover time that I leave the facility for smoke breaks.
Then some ***hole doesn’t like that, and they do a time card audit on me trying to screw me just because I smoke.

I could go to the moon to smoke and some ***hole would complain.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 8:14:28 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Nice spin their Hanson. No doubt another Nany-State, leftist Bureaucrat who has never held a real job in his life and knows 0 about the restaurant business.

Seriously? Hansen is an employee of the Wisconsin Restaurant Association which knows the restaurant business inside and out. He speaks for the 5,000 members of the Association.

22 posted on 07/07/2012 8:54:38 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

DOWN! with statists.


23 posted on 07/07/2012 9:11:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Drango
Hansen is an employee of the Wisconsin Restaurant Association which knows the restaurant business inside and out.

Not necessarily on a first hand basis. I was an employee of and spokesperson for a state Funeral Directors' organization, I was not then or at any time in my lie a Funeral Director.

He speaks for the 5,000 members of the Association.

Once again, not necessarily. The spokesperson for the Delaware Restaurant Association claimed to speak for all of the bars and restaurants in Delaware at the time of the battle over the smoking ban - yet less than 10% of the restaurants in the state belonged - she was actually only speaking for the 2 largest members who happened to be fast food franchise holders. They actually lost membership over the stand in favor of the ban and was offering free lifetime memberships to any owner that would stop vocally opposing it.

So get over yourself - you are just another big government loving liberal and you should open your eyes to the fact it is well known on this site about your statist leanings and hatred of private property rights.

24 posted on 07/07/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

You win and I stand corrected.

These directors of the Wisconsin Restaurant Association are all tools dedicated to destroying their industry and their members bottom line. They hate profits and success. They know squat about the trade and seek only to advance a smoking ban. Not only do they seek to bring ruin to their own members, they seek to cause havoc in all restaurants in the state and to share misery / bankruptcy for all.

http://www.wirestaurant.org/info/boards.php


25 posted on 07/07/2012 10:50:49 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Your reading comprehensions skills rival those of a first grader.

All I said what your comment was not necessarily so, and explained by using the example of what went on in Delaware - of which I have first hand knowledge - something you obviously lack.


26 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:49 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Sure. You were using antidote/innuendo/misdirection to de-legitimize the views of the Wisconsin Restaurant Association.


27 posted on 07/07/2012 2:13:13 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango; Gabz
My circle of friends and acquaintances figured this out fairly early in the game.

We acquired restaurant-quality(or better) cooking, serving and dinnerware equipment; developed sources for superior raw materials and improved our skills to a point that surpasses any restaurant or bar within a 500-mile radius or maybe larger.

We have all eschewed restaurants and bars for each others' homes. There is political discussion, as well as other subjects over fine food, fine drink, fine cigars, fine pipe tobacco and cigarettes - just like in the days of the original American Revolution; which may very well get repeated.

Sorry about your agenda, Drango - it has been defeated by independence and ingenuity.

28 posted on 07/07/2012 2:36:31 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Drango

Antidote? You are the only one that needs one of those - one against your liberal ideals.

You hate private property rights and you have openly admitted it on every one of the smoking threads you have posted upon over the years.

I don’t give a rat’s rear end about the views of the restaurant association as I know for fact how they operate having dealt with numerous ones over the course of the past 20 years.

When you have the same first hand experience in the bar/restaurant business as I do, then you come and tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.

You are the only one with no clue because you are a walking talking statist and do not belong on a site that promotes private property rights.


29 posted on 07/07/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: elkfersupper; Drango

That is what we did in Delaware. In Virginia we believe in private property rights and the restaurant owners make their own decision in regard to permitting smoking or not.

We can always tell a Drango-type when they walk into one of our favorite establishments, they immediately start the fake coughing and hand waving. The really obnoxious ones are usually asked to leave. One really obnoxious Drango-type actually refused to leave when asked by both the manager and the owner who are both women....... but he got real timid when one of the guys who was sitting at a corner table got up and asked him to leave - that guy is about 6’6” and didn’t even have to show his badge.

In Virginia we know how to deal with the Drangos of the world - their statist, liberal ways are unwanted. Although I do sort of feel sorry for them, as they are all apparently illiterate because they are unable to read the signs that clearly state smoking is permitted.


30 posted on 07/07/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Hmmmmm... Who to believe? Tough one.

An association reporting the empirical evidence of their members.
-OR-
An addict saying the restaurant association is cooking the books.

OK. You win. You have more credibility than the Wisconsin Restaurant Association. They are tools.


31 posted on 07/07/2012 3:58:03 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

An addict? You don’t know me (thank goodness) so who are you to call me names? Calling you a statist is not name calling, you have admitted it openly.

I think you need to take a refresher on the rules around here regarding personal insults, newbie.

As i said earlier - restaurant associations are known to lie, nearly all of them have received huge influxes of cash from groups such as RWJF, pharmaceutical companies, and other statist groups pushing these bans. A group of Delaware restaurant owners, who were NOT members of that restaurant association proved their “empirical” evidence was nothing more than book cooking. The restaurant association LIED about business improving after the ban. What the restaurant association did was only take the numbers from bars and restaurants that had outdoor seating and also included take out business - which skyrocketed.

If you want to believe an organization being paid to promote propaganda, be my guest - I prefer to live my life based upon reality. Of course, I’m a conservative, not a big government loving statist.


32 posted on 07/07/2012 4:16:22 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Mears

bfl


33 posted on 07/07/2012 4:55:49 PM PDT by Mears
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To: freeangel

yeah they ALWAYS lie (and that is what it is, a lie) when they pass a smoking ban. Every time the media runs around like a lunatic saying “See I told you so, no smoking and we are busier than ever”

Meanwhile when this started in California when I lived there, in my area, I watched bar and restaurant close one after one, never to re-open.

Its lying, social engineering, and flat out brainwashing when it comes to smoking/.


34 posted on 07/07/2012 5:10:50 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: mylife

I could not imagine working in a place like that, I would be fired in a week just on principle alone. NO ONE tells me what I can do in my vehicle. Also, they would have a hard time tracking me down as I had to walk off property to smoke.

I dont play that game.


35 posted on 07/07/2012 5:13:46 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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