Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems
Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it's own. (The Republic of Texas.)
Now, someone help me out here: Is that a fact? If so, I'm calling on all Texas FReepers to join me in laying the groundwork to make it happen if Barack Obama is reelected. What do we need to do to start a Secession Movement, and where do we begin? If you're not a Texan, you don't understand the Texas mind-set. If BHO is reelected, I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession. Even Governor Perry has talked about Texas seceding. LET'S FRIGGIN' DO IT!!!
A Texan, yes. A native, no. I’ve been here for close to 20 years, and barring a vacation death, this is where I’ll die.
“Bring arms manufacturing to TX, and I’m talking about heavy duty stuff.”
You mean like Lockheed-Martin (the builders of the F-35 and F-16), or Triumph Aerostructures (Vought Aircraft Division), Goodrich (ejection seat manufacturer). . .those sorts of guys?
;-)
the federal government....would bring massive firepower to bear against Texas.....And Texas alone would not be able to defend itself successfully.
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Do you have any idea how many Army Posts, Air Force Bases and Coast Guard Bases we have in Texas?
In the past six months, I’ve seen more “Secede” bumper stickers here in Texas than Obama or Romney stickers.
It’s always been a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposition, but after the past few months of Obama’s lawlessness on illegal aliens, the faggotization of the military, and the recent Obamacare ruling turning citizens into serfs of the government... in which America is obviously in total and accelerating decay, well, I’m starting to look at secession as a very, very valid option.
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Hell yeah. Don’t Mess With Texas!!!
Then you’re a Texan. So stop flyin’ Arizona’s flag or I’m gonna start callin’ ya a traitor.
I’ll move there......Texas is really hot though
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That’s why God, on the 8th Day, created Air Conditioners.
Many, don’t have the number at hand.
Most all are federal troops, and if the federal government (president) nationalizes the Guard and Reserve, they would all be federal troops.
And the logistics, support and supply-train that is necessary to field a modern army/air force is enormous and if interrupted, the troops would be slowed, if not stopped, within days.
Happy to hear it! Now get away from Dallas once in a while to replentish the Texas thinking.
Don’t mean to pee on your parade, but its pretty common understanding that anytime someone has to brag about how mean they are its just brag, no fact.
Ref. your Post #51: You go Catfish!! Hell yeah!
Great minds and all ...
And on the 9th day he created Salt Lick (http://www.saltlickbbq.com/)
A Texan, yes. A native, no. I’ve been here for close to 20 years, and barring a vacation death, this is where I’ll die.
Yes they are; the Articles of Confederation expressly state that the States are Sovereign States. The Articles, furthermore are part of the organic law of the United States; but if that isn't enough read the 10th amendment. The right of secession is not denied to the States by the Constitution, nor is it given to the federal government to prevent such secession, therefore it must remain with the States themselves or the people. (See the cites in this paper.)
My father served in the United States Army in WWII. My brother served in the United States Air Force in Viet Nam. I served in the United States Navy during peacetime. We are or were as the case may be, Americans.
By virtue of being citizens of your State, and your State being a member of the United States, yes. No one here is saying differently.
One must emigrate from Germany to France. It's quite a process that involves dissolving prior allegiances and swearing to new ones, with a host of other legalities and responsibilities thrown in just because.
Ah, and when you move, changing States, you don't have to re-register your voting location? Re-license your vehicles? Just because our system's streamlined it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (Just because you don't have to do it right away doesn't mean you don't have to do it.)
It's a mobile American population, and state citizenship means little. That's just a fact of the 21st century. Love it or hate it, it's a fact.
And like I said, that's precisely the problem. You equate 'mobile' with "state citizenship means little."
In so doing you demean the State and align yourself with the Federal.
Read it again. I clearly said that Wyoming out produced Vermont. I will retract my statement that it barely out produced Vermont. It does so by a solid $12b. Initially it just didn’t seem like much on the chart dominated by states with trillion dollar economies.
1) Texas must defer to the U.S. regarding all questions of foreign policy, immigation and national defense; and
2) All Texas citizens must continue to pay U.S taxes.
You can run a dictatorship or a monarchy/tyranny on such a basis, but not a civil society or republic.
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We still have The Republic of Texas Constitution of 1845. Don’t say it’ outdated. It’s not as “old” as the Constitution of the United States.
Why do we have to be the ones to leave?!? Let them leave or rot in jail.
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Your comment would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic. Let “them” rot in jail??? Bulls**t. We can’t even get rid of a crooked, racist, lying, Communist, nefarious Attorney General.
It's still not even remotely comparable. If I emigrate from the USA and become a citizen of Singapore, I lose my U.S. citizenship. It's gone, and I'm unlikely to ever get it back. Hell, looking at recent headlines, the USA may not ever even allow me to re-enter the country for a visit. I can go back to Colorado and become a citizen any time I wish. I can become a brand new citizen of Alabama, or California on a whim.
State citizenship, unlike national citizenship carries absolutely no requirements of allegiance. Nothing is surrendered moving from state to state, and nothing special is granted. The same cannot be said when expatriating.
You are joking right? Texan National Guard protecting ExxonMobile’s contracts in Qatar? And ATT left out of serving rest of the 49 States? It would be those corporations who move OUT of Texas.
Forget outdated. It's null and void. It's the legal equivalent of the Articles of Confederation that bound the U.S. states between 1781 and 1789 when it was replaced with the United States Constitution. The 1845 became null and void when it was replaced by the constitution of 1861. Which was replaced by the constitution of 1866, which was replaced by the constitution 1869, which itself was replaced with the current constitution in 1876. Sorry, the most recent constitution is the binding one, and there is just no getting around that.
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