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If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
July 7, 2012 | no dems

Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems

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To: no dems
“We still have The Republic of Texas Constitution of 1845. Don’t say it’ outdated.”

Actually, it was replaced by the 1876 Constitution because the earlier constitution was implemented when Texas swore allegiance to the Confederacy—basically, it was a “Confederate Constitution,” enacted when Texas joined the Confederacy. When the Confederacy lost then Texas needed a new constitution to re-join the Union.

Immediately after the Civil War, a new constitution was imposed on Texas when the post-war state military commander intervened at the state constitutional convention to force Gov E.J. Davis, democrat, to reject slavery and accept Republican demands for emancipation.

For most white, ex-confederate Texans, the new constitution represented defeat and humiliation, was regarded as imposed by outside forces, i.e., Radical Republicans. (Radical in the sense they wanted immediate emancipation, not a gradual implementation).

When Democrats gained control of state government in 1872 and 1873, their first priority became to draft a new constitution.

By the fall of 1875, 90 Texans gathered in Austin to finalize a new constitution for the state.

The largest group of delegates at the convention were known as the Grange, an organization of farmers, committed to a slogan of “retrenchment and reform” for state government.

The new constitution favored a restrictive constitution of great length; they returned to the tradition of Jacksonian democracy, reinstating the long ballot and shortening the terms of office for elected officials.

201 posted on 07/07/2012 2:37:36 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: cripplecreek; All

Ref. you map in your Post #92: I’m glad to see that many of the battleground States in the 2012 Election don’t have that many “immigrants”. Obama’s latest “Amnesty” dictate, via Executive Order, so he can get the Mexican vote, won’t help him much in Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Not that many Mexicans there. In Florida, the Cuban vote will offset the Mexican vote. In Texas, the Conservative vote will offset the Mexican vote; same goes for Arizona. California is a lost cause anyhow, let California vote for whomever they want. And in Nevada, the Mexican vote will be offset by the Mormon vote; same goes for Colorado and Utah. So, Obama’s Amnesty won’t help him much on November 6th.


202 posted on 07/07/2012 2:41:28 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Lol, I fly a flag to let people know where I’m living at the moment. There is no Navajo Nation flag, so Arizona it was. After spending the afternoon on this thread, I’m changing it back, just because.


203 posted on 07/07/2012 2:42:33 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: SaxxonWoods

But, just think how much fun it would be to try Saxxon.


204 posted on 07/07/2012 2:47:44 PM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: OneWingedShark

To put it another way. I live in Texas, because I love Texas. I love my little corner of Texas in particular. But whereas nationality is like marriage, state citizenship is like having a mistress.

America is my country. If I were ever to leave America, I’d have to get a divorce before I could remarry, and I’ll go to jail if I have two wives at once.

Texas is home to me, and I do believe it will be my home forever. However, it’s purely voluntary. No divorce is required if I ever decide that Louisiana is sexier. And, there is no law that says I can’t have two mistresses.


205 posted on 07/07/2012 2:51:00 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: OneWingedShark

To put it another way. I live in Texas, because I love Texas. I love my little corner of Texas in particular. But whereas nationality is like marriage, state citizenship is like having a mistress.

America is my country. If I were ever to leave America, I’d have to get a divorce before I could remarry, and I’ll go to jail if I have two wives at once.

Texas is home to me, and I do believe it will be my home forever. However, it’s purely voluntary. No divorce is required if I ever decide that Louisiana is sexier. And, there is no law that says I can’t have two mistresses.


206 posted on 07/07/2012 2:51:00 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

You can put a sentence on your home page telling people where you temporarily reside. Your flag should be the Lone Star.

I’m glad you changed it. Otherwise, I’d to have to harass you ... relentlessly. ;p


207 posted on 07/07/2012 3:06:34 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Melas
Texas is home to me, and I do believe it will be my home forever. However, it’s purely voluntary. No divorce is required if I ever decide that Louisiana is sexier. And, there is no law that says I can’t have two mistresses.

While you are using analogies, did you fail to mention that you and rest of us paying tax payers are bitches of the US Tax code?

Will secession happen? Probably not in the next 25 years, but I for one am sick and tired of this socialist state where the entitlement crowd is firmly entrenched on left hind teat of the tax payer. A conservative country based on God fearing folks who work hard appeals to me. Back in the old days, if you didn't work, you didn't eat. And those who were disabled relyed on their loving families to take care of them. Not the GD US Federal government.

208 posted on 07/07/2012 3:10:16 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: sagar
You are joking right? Texan National Guard protecting ExxonMobile’s contracts in Qatar? And ATT left out of serving rest of the 49 States? It would be those corporations who move OUT of Texas.

Texas could ratify treaties closely aligning itself to United States in defense, much as we do with Canada. As far as watching corporations leave..... Watch what happens when we drop the corporate tax rate by half. They'll be flocking here.

209 posted on 07/07/2012 3:14:59 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: cripplecreek
Not concerned; I just know my fellow Texans... '-)

Believe me, Texans have enough resident firepower to "deport-in-place" any objectionable wetbacks foolish enough to play "Santa Ana" again.

210 posted on 07/07/2012 3:16:25 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Melas

Read what again? Did you not state “Wyoming barely outproduces tiny Vermont”? I can’t find anywhere “I clearly said that Wyoming out produced Vermont”.

I am not about to blow my time looking up Wyoming statistics, but I know its the biggest producer of coal and a significant producer of oil and gas, $12Bil? Maybe like our other FRiend, you misplaced a zero or 2.


211 posted on 07/07/2012 3:20:47 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Melas

I don’t think the marriage analogy works.

Re: the poligamy aspect - Our law permits you to have dual citizenship (in the U.S. and another country.) No divorce required.

Re: the mistress aspect - Our law says you’re a citizen of the state wherein you reside and that you can have only one primary residence.


212 posted on 07/07/2012 3:22:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: X-spurt

I live in San Antonio. Have for over 46 years. And I do not brag. My mama raised me better than that. And my grandmother would have made me cut my own switch.


213 posted on 07/07/2012 3:35:12 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Melas

You can fly any flag you want.


214 posted on 07/07/2012 3:36:03 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Celtic Cross

When was the last time the Mexican military won a battle?

They will never defeat the drug cartels.

Mexican “government” (loosely used term) is so thoroughly corrupt they have ruined all hope of their culture flourishing.

Let me remind you that there are 2+ civilian firearms per man, woman and child in Texas. And the largest US military base plus several Air Force Bases in Texas. And the bomb factory.

Forget Mexico militarily.


215 posted on 07/07/2012 3:45:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: X-spurt

Wyoming’s GDP is $38b. Sorry to disillusion you, but that is it. Which is indeed $12b more than Vermont.


216 posted on 07/07/2012 3:47:25 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
But whereas nationality is like marriage, state citizenship is like having a mistress. [...] And, there is no law that says I can’t have two mistresses.

Really; then I guess somethin like the following is exactly one of the not-benefits of State Citizenship that you don't get/lose upon moving:

NM Constitution, Art XXI, Section 1. [Religious toleration; polygamy.]

Perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured, and no inhabitant of this state shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship. Polygamous or plural marriages and polygamous cohabitation are forever prohibited.

That's about as close to outlawing having mistresses as you can get without allowing some truly creepy big-brother statism.

217 posted on 07/07/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yep, he said Texas. ;^)


218 posted on 07/07/2012 3:53:03 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Did he use a key word their watch list?

Yes. Sec3de
219 posted on 07/07/2012 4:06:46 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: catfish1957

“Texas could ratify treaties closely aligning itself to United States in defense, much as we do with Canada. “

Lol, in reality it would be like the War of 1860 ;) when Texas tried to secede. “Closely aligning”... sure!


220 posted on 07/07/2012 4:12:47 PM PDT by sagar
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To: RC2

If Texas went out—other states would join them. This would happen only if the President disregarded the US Constitution. Then Texas and others could form a new nation—The Constitutional States of America-—using the old USA Constitution around the Government. This would mean Civil War—if Texas seized nuclear arms and threaten to destroy New York or Washington-—It may end as soon as it starts. In any case—the USA would cease to exist.


221 posted on 07/07/2012 4:20:40 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Melas
Don't even get me started on the bias against the educated.

I don't mean to stoke the fires, but just think of our elected "leaders," and where they went for college.

222 posted on 07/07/2012 4:51:14 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: DallasSun

I had to cut my own switch too. Oleander!


223 posted on 07/07/2012 4:54:14 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Melas
If I emigrate from the USA and become a citizen of Singapore, I lose my U.S. citizenship.

Not unless you also choose to renounce your US citizenship.

224 posted on 07/07/2012 5:35:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Melas

The farther we keep going down this road the more your stories and details change. First they were in the dumpster barely equal to VT, then far ahead of VT, now is 38 not 12, what next? The place really ain’t Wyoming?????


225 posted on 07/07/2012 5:43:01 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Sherman Logan
If you look at the data there is a very obvious pattern. Red states tend to be takers, and blue states tend to be payers. Somewhat counter-intuitive.

But you know the feds lie about everything.


226 posted on 07/07/2012 6:04:11 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Melas

The most dependent area in the United States is Washington DC. Those weakling fascist freaks couldn’t take a leak unless someone was holding the pot to piss in. They’re all fat slobs living off the taxpayer teat. Cut off the support and they all die.


227 posted on 07/07/2012 6:23:39 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: Iron Munro

That’s exactly what my friend said when I pointed out that the high numbers of blacks in prison is accounted for not by racism but by their high rate of committing crimes. He claimed the FBI statistics on who the perps were was corrupted, despite it having been gathered from victims. He refused to accept the data because it disagreed with what he believed, instead of changing his belief to fit new facts.

To my mind this is profoundly unconservative. We’re the ones who base our system of belief on facts, not on wishful thinking. What the world is like, not what the world SHOULD be like. When new facts show our beliefs to be incorrect, we change our beliefs. Or at least to my mind we should.

Why are conservative states much more likely to be “takers” and liberal states more likely to be “givers?” Don’t know, though I suspect there are a lot of reasons that could be laid out.

But unless you can come up with a convincing reason why the data is corrupted, I think it is inappropriate to claim it is false simply because you don’t like the conclusion.


228 posted on 07/07/2012 6:25:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: no dems

LOL :D

The one modern convenience I really would not want to live without.

I’d have to find me a cold creek and lay in it all day long, and maybe at night too...


229 posted on 07/07/2012 6:33:18 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Sherman Logan
unless you can come up with a convincing reason why the data is corrupted, I think it is inappropriate to claim it is false simply because you don’t like the conclusion.

I was being more or less facetious in my post #226 when I said "But you know the feds lie about everything".

But I will say this, the days of blindly accepting anything the federal government says at face value are looong gone for me.

In fact, the first things I think of when I read a statement from the federal government is "What are they covering up or spinning?" and "Who benefits from this?"

If there are no unbiased facts to back up a statement or document released by the federal government there is no reason to accept it as valid. The government does not automatically get the benefit of doubt for the simple reason they have done nothing to deserve our trust.


230 posted on 07/07/2012 6:40:03 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Mears

bfl


231 posted on 07/07/2012 6:46:46 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Celtic Cross
"...they'd get wiped slick by the federal government. "

How? What can the Feds DO? Send in the military? Lot's of Texans in the military, not to mention other service members that are not happy with the current chain of command. Texas is also fairly well armed state.

There is NOTHING the feds could do. NOTHING.


232 posted on 07/07/2012 6:49:35 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

If that happens, I would hope that our military honors their oath to defend the Constitution. We have almost come to that point.


233 posted on 07/07/2012 7:01:26 PM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: DRey
You are correct. If 130-150 million people in conservative leaning States left the union, the liberals would be thrilled. The idea of no one holding them back from implementing their liberal utopia would be too great. They could live like feudal kings in the fortress cities over the remaining rural population. Nothing to hold them back from the remainder of the socialist agenda. It would be a peaceful separation for 10 years until the fiscal/business climate rose in one area and cratered in the other. That's when the fighting would start. Jmho. Also IMHO its inevitable. I will not live as a slave to bankster and political class!
234 posted on 07/07/2012 7:12:37 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Melas
I don't have anything personal against you or anyone else here i diverge with as a rule

But i think that you as a mixed race man fail to realize your perspective is just as indicative and perhaps prejudicial as that of a white southern man like myself is purported to be

We all opine as much via what we are as what we believe

235 posted on 07/07/2012 7:15:56 PM PDT by wardaddy (John Roberts collection of Sally Quinn's panties just got a hefty contribution this week..)
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To: Melas

Well, if ya gotta die on vacation, try to get yourself up to Montana.

Hell, you’ll probably figure you’re already in heaven just by showing up!


236 posted on 07/07/2012 7:23:20 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: wardaddy
I don't have anything personal against you or anyone else here i diverge with as a rule

I know you don't. Believe it or not, I think you're one of our best and brightest here on FR.

But i think that you as a mixed race man fail to realize your perspective is just as indicative and perhaps prejudicial as that of a white southern man like myself is purported to be

I think about that. More in that I'm Irish, Scottish, Mexican, and yes, black. Less, in that I've never known a relative who wasn't white, that is to say had any ties outside of white American culture. I'm mixed only insofar as the one drop rule counts. Yet, the stigma is enough that in moments of cowardice on my part, I've lied about it many times. Honestly, I don't even know if I'd reveal the fact that my father took the secret that he was an octaroon (to invoke an ugly word) to his grave, if I weren't the anonymous Melas here. Yet, being nothing but white culturally, I have to question what's wrong with that culture that could compel such secrets. You may disagree, but I find something very unhealthy in that.

237 posted on 07/07/2012 7:58:59 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Cold is my kryptonite. I couldn’t handle Montana for long. Maybe Hawaii.


238 posted on 07/07/2012 8:00:13 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

You are welcome.


240 posted on 07/08/2012 1:02:11 AM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: no dems
Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it's own. (The Republic of Texas.)

And you are wrong. This is an old myth. Get over it. The War Between the States settled that issue with the new Texas Constitution.

241 posted on 07/08/2012 1:12:39 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: Melas
I agree on the bias here against urban constituents.

But it is not groundless insofar as how they vote or think or behave in general.

Not one metro area of population of over 1 million in the US that I can think of is majority GOP or conservative anymore and yes I realize those are two different things.

Even Salt Lake went for Obama by a small margin.

Dallas ...where I think you reside...was in my day as a lad there considered a socially conservative city that went like most of the South from Dixiecrat to GOP in early 70s and had a string of conservative mayors and even a staunch conservative paper then in the Dallas Morning News.

Now that is over all gone with the sands of the Hispanic demographic surge from the south and those who have stayed.

Same for Houston and believe it or not...former conservative city of San Antonio...that close to the border but stayed afloat ideologically...just like San Diego did too once and Orange county.

This is why folks like myself generalize about how folks behave and how that translates for us all.

It's polite to note the exceptions which in Texas is about 1/3rd of Latinos and a handful of blacks.

But I don't base my views on exceptions even if I note them. It's like running a business, if you plan based on exceptions you go broke.

If folks run campaigns or govern like that they will lose elections or power in short order.

i wish race or ethnicity or religion did not matter and folks would just do the right thing that is moral, compassionate and what works best in the context of human nature and we did for a long time with plenty of hiccups

but we have been inundated with peoples who have a whole different mindset and we can see what that has done to our electorate

i know folks eschew the notion that becoming a non white country is an issue but just based on voting alone it most certainly is

everywhere where the white population has shrunk has gone downhill electorally for the GOP and fiscally as an entity

not to mention the social ramifications and that all troubles me for our future

a future likely rather short for me in context at 54 but I have a lot of children

242 posted on 07/08/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by wardaddy (John Roberts collection of Sally Quinn's panties just got a hefty contribution this week..)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Thats a far different attitude than what I grew up with. To me, your state is just where you live.

Of course, Rhode Island and Massachusetts do very little to inspire a sense of pride in your state.

243 posted on 07/08/2012 1:40:46 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Celtic Cross

I wouldn’t expect a non-Texan to understand. (I don’t mean that disrespectfully.)

As an American are you proud of your heritage? Can you imagine not being an American? Would you give up your American citizenship easily? Is it important to you that your children/grandchildren are born on American soil?

If you can understand that, it’s the same for Texans. We’re proud to be Americans, of course. But being Texan is as important.

I think New Yorkers, Alaskans, and Hawaiians have similar fierce pride.


244 posted on 07/08/2012 5:16:27 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Salt cedar switches here....also...ouch!!!!


245 posted on 07/09/2012 11:43:10 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems

Do we need to reconsider this idea?


246 posted on 11/06/2012 10:00:02 PM PST by luckystarmom
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