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If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
July 7, 2012 | no dems

Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems

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To: DallasSun
That’s a clown suggestion, bro.

You're the clown "bro". There are a great many of us who are tired subsidizing this federal socialist state. I pay this freakin government $60K a year in federal income taxes, and the bastards still get $3T more in debt.

Keep up the go government mantra "bro". The punk POTUS and his entitlement minions in this country appreciate it. I for one wholeheartedly support secession.

51 posted on 07/07/2012 11:34:31 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: calex59

Your scale has the Ol butcher’s thumb on it. Don’t think 500 MILLION died in the War of Northern Aggression or we’d all be gone.


52 posted on 07/07/2012 11:34:45 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: sagar
Tens of millions of people would flock to Texas in just a few weeks. The number would probably be around 100 mil US citizens in short order. With that many people seeking liberty, there would be no shortage of homes because a lot of homes could be built that many people very quickly, even if they have no previous experience.

I also don't think the petroleum companies would be lacking for physical security, because the people there would protect them as if those companies are their own family. It would also add more strain on the FEDgov once shipments of oil from those companies stop going around the country, because every other state would be pressuring the government to stop going after TX, if they go after them in any way. The one could easily lead the other 49, albeit in a crude (no pun intended) manner.

I'm all for it.

53 posted on 07/07/2012 11:35:30 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Marathoner

If you guys succeed, will you accept refugees from the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois?
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Hell yeah. Git yo a** down here.


54 posted on 07/07/2012 11:35:30 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: catfish1957

Excuse me?


55 posted on 07/07/2012 11:36:09 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

Granted. I don’t think a lot of the yahoos realize just how much of the state is cosmopolitan, or just how big the slice of the population pie resides in the metro areas of a handful of Texas cities. Secession is never going to happen, but I resent the idea none-the-less.


56 posted on 07/07/2012 11:36:22 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: DRey

Just Damn!!!


57 posted on 07/07/2012 11:36:47 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: no dems
I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession

Personally I doubt your numbers. I suspect you couldn't get 20% of Texans to actually vote for secession, as opposed to venting about it out of frustration.

However, let's take your numbers as accurate.

How do you run a government of the people, by the people and for the people when 40% of those people are adamantly opposed to your government?

They presumably would refuse to respect its legitimacy. To what lengths would your secessionist government go to enforce its authority? At what point does this turn into suppression of dissent?

IOW, how can you maintain a free system of government when a very large minority are violently opposed to it? I contend it can't be done. You can run a dictatorship or a monarchy/tyranny on such a basis, but not a civil society or republic.

YMMV

58 posted on 07/07/2012 11:37:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: cripplecreek

I think Texas is already part of Mexico again.
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LOL.... You ain’t right cripplecreek. You just ain’t right!


59 posted on 07/07/2012 11:38:23 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: null and void
What would happen if all 57 states seceded?

I'm confused but could Hawaii, Asia secede? Oh, silly me, the islands would obviously have to remain part of Asia.

60 posted on 07/07/2012 11:38:33 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Texas Fossil

There ya go. Why do we have to be the ones to leave?!? Let them leave or rot in jail.


61 posted on 07/07/2012 11:39:43 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Signalman

“Kelly’s Heroes”! Great flick!


62 posted on 07/07/2012 11:40:52 AM PDT by GoDuke
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To: Sherman Logan

People are paid thousands of dollars to live in Alaska.


63 posted on 07/07/2012 11:40:52 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mnehring
Just be careful of many secession movements out there like the Republic of Texas movement. Most are scams to sell fake land grants or bogus currency.

As if American courts aren't giving Texas ranches to illegals and just how much soon to be bogus currency is D.C. printing these days.

64 posted on 07/07/2012 11:42:23 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Sherman Logan
If you look at the data there is a very obvious pattern. Red states tend to be takers, and blue states tend to be payers.

Actually, it makes sense if you think in terms of population density. I don't know exactly what they include in the "pay" side, but if personal and corporate income taxes are included, for example, then the fed would derive far more income from heavily industrialized and populated states. California, as an example, is chock full of welfare leeches, but there are still a number of very powerful industries here (Silicon Valley-type stuff, for example) as well as a huge tax base. If CA received a million dollar grant from the feds for an interstate, it would be a drop in the bucket compared to the overall amount of money flowing in and out. If North Dakota received the same amount of money, it would appear as a relatively significant amount.
65 posted on 07/07/2012 11:42:26 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Melas

I agree with you. I sometimes think there ae some who do not take into consideration the cities of Dallas, Houston and San Antonio...and Austin. We would never get the votes to secede. You make an excellent point.


66 posted on 07/07/2012 11:43:56 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: bgill

Just because fedgov is doing it doesn’t mean that some guy in his mom’s basement setting up a website and radio program doing it is any better.


67 posted on 07/07/2012 11:44:17 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: DallasSun
And you know this by what method?

Perry is probably the most “Texas Rights” Governor we have had. Would you prefer Gov. White or Gov. KayBailey or let me guess Gov. Debra?

68 posted on 07/07/2012 11:44:42 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Sherman Logan

What does the number of wealthy people in Texas look like compared to, say, New York, or anywhere in New England (a lot of old money). If you have a lot of people that don’t have a job that enables them to retire well before retirement age, then they’re going to get more back under federal law. Whereas with families in New England, who have linage that goes back to Revolutionary times, have been growing their trust funds since those times.


69 posted on 07/07/2012 11:44:42 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: bgill

We have always been at war with Eastasia...


70 posted on 07/07/2012 11:45:18 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: DallasSun
You are so correct. But we can fly our Texas flag the same height as the U.S. Flag.

That is a myth. Any flag can be flown at equal height as the US flag. The US flag simply has to be in the position of honor, it's own right. (on US soil)

71 posted on 07/07/2012 11:45:55 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: X-spurt

I know it because Perry said it. Repeatedly after he realized some had actually taken him seriously.


72 posted on 07/07/2012 11:46:25 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Yashcheritsiy

I do believe that civil disobedience and State disobedience is part of the formula for change.

The other part that I see as part of the solution is, as Yashcheritsiy would say, separate means of information dissemination.

Another part that I think is critical is a political home for full conservatives, meaning those who are both fiscally and socially conservative.

Another part is a sincere connection to Christianity and to the churches of Christianity from all denomination. Much of America’s problem is spiritual, and without a Great Awakening, there will be no recovery.

The world will not end again with a flood. The rainbow is God’s promise of that. It will instead end with fire.

A precursor to that final fire is this judgment:

“7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.”

Anything that reminds us of Fire and a Burned Up Earth should push us to include God in any plans for renewal. If this will not be a Christian nation, then it will not be any kind of free nation at all.


73 posted on 07/07/2012 11:46:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Celtic Cross

I’ll remain kind with “you know nothing of what you speak”.


74 posted on 07/07/2012 11:46:45 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Celtic Cross

How about Texas being able to defend itself with 80 million people? Because that’s around how many (armed) Americans would end up living there.


75 posted on 07/07/2012 11:48:19 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Texas Fossil
I want no part of talk of secession. I want it all back and the Commie Bastards who are ruining the nation in Jail.

Agreed. Besides, secession is what globalists like Soros and the UN want. Its why they always side with breakaways and break ups of nations.
77 posted on 07/07/2012 11:51:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Melas

In Wyoming’s case, maybe its because a great percentage of her oil, gas and coal are on Fed land, not to mention Yellow Stone would come under Federal expenditure within the State?


78 posted on 07/07/2012 11:51:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: KoRn

Alaska could never secede without the assistance of a foreign power. The continental U.S. could cripple a secessionist Alaska by embargo alone.

Self sufficient? Really? How much dairy is made in Alaska? What medicines are produced in Alaska? What dry goods are made in Alaska? What industrial products are made in Alaska? Vegetables, wheat, rice, corn, sugar? The average Alaskan would subsist on the eskimo diet for all of a week before begging to be let back into the union.

I have visited family in Alaska many times when I still had family there, and Alaskans are extremely dependent on the daily influx of cargo planes which explains in part the extremely high cost of living.


79 posted on 07/07/2012 11:52:22 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Sherman Logan
How do you run a government of the people, by the people and for the people when 40% of those people are adamantly opposed to your government?

Dunno, ask Obama...

80 posted on 07/07/2012 11:52:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

oh dear...I know this...I should have used /sarc. Sorry for the confusion.


81 posted on 07/07/2012 11:55:01 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems; cripplecreek
I think Texas is already part of Mexico again.

LOL.... You ain’t right cripplecreek. You just ain’t right!

Oh, he's right...

In fact, ya got Illegals are dropping about 1000 anchor babies per month at Parkland Hospital in Dallas..It's the #1 hospital in the country, for illegal alien births.

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82 posted on 07/07/2012 11:55:29 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: chris37
Texas is really hot though

Remember what Ben Franklin said, "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither."

83 posted on 07/07/2012 11:56:16 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Sherman Logan

That’s the dirty secret we never mention in conservative circles. Although your source is different than mine, and more than a decade more current, so thank you for that.


84 posted on 07/07/2012 11:56:23 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

We resent Arizona resenting our ideas.


85 posted on 07/07/2012 11:57:29 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: null and void

Not many conservatives are violently opposed to the American government. We’re opposed to the present administration.

Big difference.


86 posted on 07/07/2012 12:00:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DallasSun

You need to learn more Texan, “Oh, I was just jokin” don’t make it admission of a mistake. Usually only means “what I said ain’t worth our tusslin over”.


87 posted on 07/07/2012 12:03:15 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt; Sherman Logan

I think the fact that’s it 48th in GDP probably has more to do with it. Despite being comparable in size to Colorado, Wyoming barely outproduces tiny Vermont.

Sherman Logan posted more current information than I have, and although I believe it’s calculated differently (Looks like fed expenditures for fed lands within a state aren’t counted on his) it is probably more accurate for our purposes.


88 posted on 07/07/2012 12:04:50 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: X-spurt

Only here for 3 months. My home is in Texas. Nice try at being snide though.


89 posted on 07/07/2012 12:07:07 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: wastedyears

“How about Texas being able to defend itself with 80 million people? Because that’s around how many (armed) Americans would end up living there.”

They’ll need to bring their own water lol.


90 posted on 07/07/2012 12:07:24 PM PDT by snarkybob (')
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To: no dems

Why would Texas want to secede?

If a few of the states or even part of a single state, infected with incurable worthless communists, do not want to be loyal to the Republic and uphold the Constitution, they should be the ones to go, not us.

They can take all their commie crap right along with them.

Oh, BTW, since they are all against a powerful military, all military assets inside a secession zone will be physically reclaimed by the loyal capitalist States. Same thing with any national heritage artifact or resources.

Any capitalist citizens loyal to the Republic should be assisted in exiting the session zones.

Any attempt to confiscate or tax their possessions will be countered by force from the Republic.

Same with private sector businesses.

Then, A.M.F.

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91 posted on 07/07/2012 12:08:03 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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92 posted on 07/07/2012 12:08:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: X-spurt

I am a third generation Texan. My grandson...fifth generation Texan. Husband also third generation Texan....Ever heard...Don’t ever corner anything meaner ‘en you?????


93 posted on 07/07/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems

Actually Texas could separate from the union until the civil war when that promise was legislated away.


94 posted on 07/07/2012 12:12:11 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think Texas is already part of Mexico again.

You win the internets today!

95 posted on 07/07/2012 12:14:01 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (LOL!.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Contrary to popular opinion, none of them have any language that would allow for secession.”

So? Who cares? We have immigration laws and gun running laws and the Feds don’t follow these either.

If Texas goes, I’m moving to Texas.


96 posted on 07/07/2012 12:15:40 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Celtic Cross

“Don’t you think we are all on the list, just for being on FR to begin with?”

Pretty much.


97 posted on 07/07/2012 12:18:00 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Melas
I think the fact that’s it 48th in GDP probably has more to do with it. Despite being comparable in size to Colorado, Wyoming barely outproduces tiny Vermont.

WY being 48th in GDP probably has a lot to do with its being 50th in population.

Vermont is 49th, with about 60k more people than WY.

98 posted on 07/07/2012 12:18:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: P-Marlowe
Arizona is on the cutting edge of potential Civil Disobedience and Sheriff Arpaio should be considered the George Washington or the Samuel Adams of the peaceful revolution.

YOU BETCHA!

99 posted on 07/07/2012 12:18:40 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: DallasSun

Yep. Out of staters especially don’t realize that the Texas population is more than 4/5 urban. Hell, I even have a friend in East Texas recently call me out when I said that 6 million people life in the metroplex, so it’s not just out of staters. Turns out I was wrong, 2012 is projected to be much closer to 7 million.


100 posted on 07/07/2012 12:20:44 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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