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Google Sadly Joins The Anti-Gun Brigade
Forbes.com ^ | 7/5/2012 | Frank Miniter

Posted on 07/07/2012 11:42:26 AM PDT by sigzero

Google is censuring information on guns and other products from Google Shopping. Sure, we know they once gave in to the Chinese government, but why are they censoring products used for self-protection by America’s gun owners?

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: google; guns

1 posted on 07/07/2012 11:42:31 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: sigzero
Google Sadly Joins The Anti-Gun Brigade

EGPWS joins the Bing brigade.

2 posted on 07/07/2012 11:45:44 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: sigzero
While I deplore the censorship of information about legal products, in general, the good folks at NSSF seem to have missed a critical point here.

Google "Shopping", unlike Google Search, is a private commercial enterprise. It can display, or not display, shopping results for anything it decides to:

"First, we are starting to transition Google Product Search in the U.S. to a purely commercial model built on Product Listing Ads. This new product discovery experience will be called Google Shopping and the transition will be complete this fall. We believe that having a commercial relationship with merchants will encourage them to keep their product information fresh and up to date."
    -- http://googlecommerce.blogspot.com/2012/05/building-better-shopping-experience.html
A ban on any given product category is annoying as h3ll, given that Google Shopping is widely used. But I don't think that exercising their rights as a private commercial service to not carry firearm info is "censorship" per se, any more than a vegetarian shopping site that doesn't carry information about where to buy meat.

The Google Search results still carry the full range of info on firearms.

So, NSSF should encourage people to use another shopping service -- there are tons of them. Hit Google where it hurts -- their user base.

(This comment of mine copied from similar prior thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2903851/reply?c=11

3 posted on 07/07/2012 11:46:06 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I don’t think your vegetarian scenario flies. I would not expect to get any meat information from a vegan site. I would expect a search on Google shopping to bring back...whatever product I am search for. Though I agree it is their prerogative to do so, it just seems wrong and like you said annoying as h3ll.

I sent Google an email asking why but have not heard anything back.


4 posted on 07/07/2012 11:51:18 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: sigzero
There are a spate of such articles which fail to adequately distinguish between Google Search and Google Shopping.

Google Search is not censoring info on firearms. Google Shopping is a different, commercial service.

This sort of "article" approaches blog-pimping -- it is looking for page hits based on readers' conflating two separate entities and being outraged.

5 posted on 07/07/2012 11:51:18 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: sigzero

I’m a great believer in looking at the personal characteristics of the natural characteristics of the majority stockholders, officers ,directors and managers of the corporations attacking the Second Amendment.


6 posted on 07/07/2012 11:51:35 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: dayglored

Possibly...I can see that angle too.

I just find it odd that Google would not bring back anything on a search for a product like that.

But...I admit, I could be overly paranoid and Google might offer it in the future I guess.


7 posted on 07/07/2012 11:53:33 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: sigzero
From the article:

Ironically, Google’s own policy for “Freedom of Expression” says, “We’ve pressed governments to make combating Internet censorship a top priority in human rights and economic agendas.” And they say, “We regularly assist research efforts like the Open Net Initiative, the premier monitor of global trends on Internet censorship, by providing funds for their work.”

Not if, but when the feral government exercises control over Google's contents and business operations and helps itself to millions in corporate assets, the company's highest level managers will probably be stunned. They shouldn't be: when you take pot shots at one right, you weaken them all.

8 posted on 07/07/2012 11:53:48 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: sigzero
> I sent Google an email asking why but have not heard anything back.

Be sure to also ask why their shopping service "censors" info on vehicles and tobacco, as well as other products.

Truly, this is unfortunate, but hardly a sudden outrage. They get to do as they please.

It is not a Conservative value to try to "force" a private commercial entity to provide something they don't choose to provide. That's what leftists do.

Instead, we get to use another shopping service. Simple. There are a lot of other shopping services.

9 posted on 07/07/2012 11:55:07 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Sigh! I'm totally unable to effectively edit my own writings. I miss having a secretary!

"...at the personal characteristics of the natural characteristics....." should be changed to "...at the personal characteristics of the natural individuals.."

Sigh! SOB! WEEP!

10 posted on 07/07/2012 11:56:35 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: sigzero
Well, Google is a large outfit now, and "Google Search" is only one if its many services.

I trust in the power of the American Free Enterprise system and a free market, to provide alternative services, when others choose to limit themselves and not provide what a segment of the population wants.

This looks to me like an opportunity for a savvy businessman to set up a "Shopping for Firearms" site to fill the gap Google has left.

In fact I'd be surprised if there aren't already such sites....

11 posted on 07/07/2012 11:59:39 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: sigzero
Title is incorrect.

It should say:

Google ENTHUSIASTICALLY Joins The Anti-Gun Brigade

12 posted on 07/07/2012 12:32:47 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: sigzero

Google was liberal from day one.


13 posted on 07/07/2012 12:34:18 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: sigzero
Google seems to think it can toss dog droppings into the side of the punch bowl it dislikes without adversely affecting the punch on the side it claims to care about.

People who think the Bill of Rights is a smörgåsbord they can pick and choose from at no cost are going to be disappointed when they discover the barbarians have seized the restaurant and banished them to the fields with the rest of the serfs.

14 posted on 07/07/2012 12:43:51 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: sigzero
But, thankfully, you can still buy bath salts at Google Shopping...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=shop&q=bath+salts&oq=bath+&gs_l=products-cc.1.0.0l10.9294.15097.0.17536.13.8.2.0.0.1.379.1012.2j2j1j1.6.0...0.0.qBiGAKBjolM

(whether these are the kind that zombieize you...I don't know.)

15 posted on 07/07/2012 12:46:19 PM PDT by moovova (Pandora has left the box.)
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To: EGPWS

The world’s most private search engine:

https://www.ixquick.com/


16 posted on 07/07/2012 12:49:22 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: sigzero

While Google may be the most popular, they are not the only source.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_100_alternative_search_engines.php


17 posted on 07/07/2012 1:34:47 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: sigzero

This is not news. Google is a huge rat supporter.


18 posted on 07/07/2012 1:35:45 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: dayglored
Google Search is not censoring info on firearms. Google Shopping is a different, commercial service.
Nice try. Google is Google and why anyone at FR uses anything related to those Commie loving bastards is beyond me.
19 posted on 07/07/2012 1:49:23 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: lewislynn

“Google is Google and why anyone at FR uses anything related to those Commie loving bastards is beyond me.”

Can say the same thing about Apple. They’re OK, right?
Apple is as bad or worse about privacy. Yet many on FR have no problem with their love of liberalism\socialism.

Hmmm....
My grocery store refuses to sell guns and ammunition.
Blatantly refuses!

They will only advertise\sell certain products and exclude all others. It is their policy to only sell products they wish to, no matter how the community feels.

I no longer support their freedom to run their business how they wish. They must offer all products I’m interested in or they must be destroyed.

Will you join me in boycotting all grocery stores with an anti-gun selling policy?


20 posted on 07/07/2012 2:16:52 PM PDT by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: lewislynn
> Nice try.... why anyone at FR uses anything related to those Commie loving bastards is beyond me.

Okay. Why anyone at FR would complain about one particular vendor of a service (shopping info) when there are plentiful other vendors to choose from is beyond -me-.

Use whatever shopping info site you prefer (or none, if you're like me). Ain't freedom of choice wonderful?

Let's thank God and the Founders that we still have some freedom of choice, despite the Democrats' attempts to limit it or take it away entirely.

21 posted on 07/07/2012 2:20:21 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Gun142
> Will you join me in boycotting all grocery stores with an anti-gun selling policy?

LOL.

I noticed the other that the ads my dentist puts in the paper make no mention of auto mechanics services. I should be able to get my car serviced while I'm having my teeth worked on. Yet that bassturd dentist refuses to install a lift-bay next to the room with the dentist chair! It's an outrage!!

I hold a great hope that now that we have the precedent set with ObamaCare, the federal government can force my dentist to do this. I've got it! They can fine (oops, "tax") every dentist who DOESN'T put in a lift-bay. That sounds constitutional, right?

22 posted on 07/07/2012 2:29:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Gun142
> Apple is as bad or worse about privacy. Yet many on FR have no problem with their love of liberalism\socialism.

Just as a minor point of fact, Microsoft is just as bad as Apple about supporting liberal causes (some years, worse), and their track record on how they actually run their business is certainly no better. They're both entitled to do so, of course, but it's something we all love to complain about...

But with MS's new restrictive (some say draconian) changes with Windows 8, reversing decades of relative openness with regard to how their partners implement their platforms, they've not only taken a few pages from Apple's closed-system book, they've surpassed them.

And the vast majority of FReepers use Windows.... just sayin'... :)

BTW, I'm a Unix-head, but I use both Windows and Apple machines daily at work and home. I don't have a dog in that fight.

23 posted on 07/07/2012 2:42:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: sigzero
My dislike for Google goes all the way back to the days of USAG Gonzales and his databases he wanted on peoples web searches etc. Google literally was saying we'll do it we'll do it rather than fight for it's customers rights too privacy. I use their sites as little as possible and do not click on their ads. When I'm on Firefox where I usually do my searches I keep google adds and snooping domains blocked.

I also seem to recall that when they came up with the idea of Google Earth they thought it fine and dandy to take pictures of persons PRIVATE property and post it on the web without owners consent or even knowledge. I bet the corporate officers estates though are not available. In short Google seems to have an arrogance that just annoys me.

24 posted on 07/07/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: lewislynn

[Google is Google and why anyone at FR uses anything related to those Commie loving bastards is beyond me.]

Well, I use it because Google was started with CIA seed money; and because every search on conservative terms exposes those charged with analyzing searches to conservative American ideals.

 

"...and the Truth will make you FRee"

 


 

25 posted on 08/19/2012 12:38:31 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: OldEarlGray
Well, I use it because Google was started with CIA seed money; and because every search on conservative terms exposes those charged with analyzing searches to conservative American ideals.
Doublespeak or any other idiotic nitwittery doesn't change the fact that Al Gore's Google friends are Commie loving bastards...Now you're becoming more suspicious with each spam post to me.
26 posted on 08/19/2012 3:09:52 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: lewislynn
Well, I use it because Google was started with CIA seed money;
That puts you squarely in the Obama camp of "you didn't build that"...It goes go with your flow though doesn't it?
27 posted on 08/19/2012 3:18:34 PM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: lewislynn
Al Gore the Croney Capitalist Kleptocrat who tried to invent himself a fortune ala Carbon Credit trading?
 
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Al+Gore+Carbon+Credit+scheme
 
That "Commie" loving Al Gore?
 
Commie fleecing perhaps.
 
Al Gore sounds more like someone who ooozed out of a proletariate-fleecing Croney Capitalist Kleptocratic "We'll invent ourselves a fraudulent new religion" mold ( like the one your Magic Rainbow RINO was produced by ) -- than an actual "Commie" lover.
 
And Google are all "Commies'.  LOL.
 
The fact is Google was started with CIA funding.
 
 
 
So,  are the CIA communists all the time in the lewislynnian/kolobian fantasy world - or just when you stop taking those medications?

28 posted on 08/19/2012 3:39:35 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: lewislynn

That puts you squarely in the Obama camp of “you didn’t build that”.

No more so than recognizing the historical Truth about DARPAnet does.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=DARPAnet

Who built that?

What frequency is your Tin Foil tuned to?


29 posted on 08/19/2012 3:46:13 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: lewislynn
That puts you squarely in the Obama camp of "you didn't build that".

No.  No more so than recognizing the historical Truth about DARPAnet does.
 
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=DARPAnet
 
Who built that?
 
What frequency is your Tin Foil tuned to?
 

30 posted on 08/19/2012 3:47:27 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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