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Devastating: Michael Behenna's Conviction Upheld
Diana West ^ | July 06, 2012 | Diana West

Posted on 07/07/2012 4:03:21 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah

By a 3-2 majority, the highest military appeals court has upheld Army Ranger 1st  Lt. Michael Behenna's conviction for the unpremediated murder of a detainee and al-Qaeda-operative in Iraq named Ali Mansur. While Michael still could receive clemency, his legal appeals are now officially exhausted. Barring clemency, Michael will remain at Leavenworth military prison until 2024.

What a blow. What a disgrace.

I just finished reading the majority opinion. It is a chilling document. It contains analysis of whether Michael had "the right to act in self-defense" when the detainee he was questioning about IED attacks that had recently killed two men in his platoon, suddenly lunged for Michael's gun, and Michael shot and killed him.

This was one of several issues before the court. As the "initial aggressor" for engaging in an unauthorized interrogation of a naked detainee, Michael, the court upheld, had lost his right to self-defense. Under consideration was whether at any point in the split seconds during which the detainee hurled a piece of concrete at Michael and rushed for his gun, and Michael fired in return at the detainee, Michael ever regained it. Three judges in the calm of their chambers in Washington, D.C., determined that he did not.

Or, as they wrote: "Even assuming for a moment that Mansur could have escalated the level of force, we conclude that a naked and unarmed individual in the desert does not escalate the level of force when he throws a piece of concrete at the initial aggressor in full battle attire, armed with a loaded pistol, and lunges for his pistol."

Oh yeah? Maybe it's simplistic of me, but I'd like to see them step into Michael's combat boots and see how it felt out there in the night, after a hard day's "catch-and-release," after military intelligence shockingly set Mansur free and ordered Michael to drive him home -- the very man Michael suspected of knowing all about the attacks that had recently killed two of his men. Michael thought he could get the necessary evidence in one more interrogation, just him and Mansur. But it didn't work out as Michael hoped.

The majority:

Ultimately, even if we assume that Mansur lunged for Appellant's pistol and Appellant feared that Mansur would use the pistol if he was able to seize it, because Appellant was the initial aggressor, and because there was no evidence to support a finding of escalation or withdrawal, a rational member [juror] could have come to no other conclusion than that Appellant lost the right to act in self-defense and did not regain it.

I'm afraid that this court's idea of a "rational member" also could have come to no other conclusion than that Michael, "initial aggressor," bereft of the "right" to self-defense, should have permitted Mansur to snatch his gun from him and then shoot him dead.

Maybe then the three judges would have sighed with a satisfied kind of regret over the poor lieutenant who had given his all for their, frankly, demonic reading of the law. Instead, for having defended himself, for not having sacrificed himself to a charging terrorist, Michael and his family pay the price of Michael's freedom.

America: Is that justice?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; armyranger; iraq; justice; michaelbehenna; military; ranger
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1 posted on 07/07/2012 4:03:36 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah; michael savage; 09Patriot; abigail2; Avoiding_Sulla; BellStar; b4its2late; ...

Damn. Savage related ping as Doc S. is a big supporter of Behenna


2 posted on 07/07/2012 4:08:01 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Ooh-Ah

As insane as this is and as bad as I feel for soldiers railroaded by PC in the military, I see only one solution. These men and their families have to set up a run for office for them and get them into Congress and the senate, if not into the presidency once they get out.

And then let them get their justice by gutting the system that so thoroughly screwed them.


3 posted on 07/07/2012 4:08:18 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Ooh-Ah

Wonder how we would have done against Japan/Germany with the current administration and military establishment.

Given the moronic manner in which our best and brightest kids are treated - asinine rules of engagement, PC feminist baloney, homosexuals serving openly and so on - it’ll be a miracle if we have any combat-capable military in another five years.

It’s a shame.

The military, being the only government branch which actually has anything important to do, has heretofore more or less escaped PC destruction.

Looks like that’s changing, however.


4 posted on 07/07/2012 4:08:57 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Ooh-Ah

I don’t know much about this case, but I would not advise anyone to join our military. It is another institution the Left has won, like the media, ABA, academia, etc. It is Diversity Bender-Gender Inc.


5 posted on 07/07/2012 4:15:59 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Ooh-Ah

...the term “initial aggressor,” is puzzling...when do things initialize?


6 posted on 07/07/2012 4:18:35 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Ooh-Ah

Frag time...


7 posted on 07/07/2012 4:23:21 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Things not mentioned in the story.

“...while returning the prisoner to a checkpoint as ordered, Behenna and his platoon stopped at a bridge and, with the help of his Iraqi interpreter nicknamed “Harry”, tried to question Mansur on the April 21st attacks.”

“According to the interpreter, “Lieutenant Behenna started talking with Ali Mansur and Sergeant Warner followed them. Behenna and Warner started taking off Ali Mansur’s clothes with their knives. They then cut his handcuffs.”

“Behenna ordered the detainee to sit, the interpreter said, adding that Behenna seemed to be keen to get information from the detainee regarding the IED attack on U.S. troops in April. Behenna asked the detainee several times: “What do you know you have to tell me.” “Ali Mansur said I will talk to you but Lieutenant Behenna pulled trigger and killed him,” the interpreter said, speaking in English.”

A very different story than self defense.

“Before we started the patrol, Lieutenant Behenna told Ali Mansur ‘I will kill you’. I thought Lieutenant Behenna was trying to scare him. I did not think he would go through (with it),” the interpreter added.”

“I was standing 10 metres (yards) back during the shooting — I could see everything even if it was getting dark — and Sergeant Warner was next to me.”

“Warner then “took the grenade from his pocket, pulled the safety ring, walked around and put the grenade under Ali Mansur’s head. “Then they hid his clothes, and Behenna and Warner went back.”

“Two U.S. soldiers from the same battalion as the accused also testified against Warner. Corporal Cody Atkinson said that Behenna and Warner, armed with a grenade, took Mohammed out of the vehicle and under the bridge.”

“...the next day local villagers found Mansur’s naked, burned body in the culvert. On July 31 of 2008 Behenna was relieved of his command and charged with the premeditated murder of Ali Mansur Mohamed.”


8 posted on 07/07/2012 4:26:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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What are the names of these three “judges”? What are their backgrounds? Where do they live? They need to be identified and shunned by all decent people.


9 posted on 07/07/2012 4:35:06 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Ooh-Ah

Same Obamalogic that instructed Border Patrol agents to hide out and call the cops in any emergency situation.


10 posted on 07/07/2012 4:35:45 PM PDT by norton
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To: Godwin1

What are the names of these three “judges”? What are their backgrounds? Where do they live? They need to be identified and shunned by all decent people.
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Agreed.... and held up to ridicule in blogs.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: Ooh-Ah

WTF????? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


12 posted on 07/07/2012 4:41:08 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And we believe the interpreter because?----they have never lied about events?----they, as Iraquis and Muslims, are placed above our soldiers?----

Sorry, I don't buy it.

vaudine

13 posted on 07/07/2012 4:55:42 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Whatever occurred it does sound like a trifle more than just a question of a split second decision under panic. There was a very risky situation being deliberately built up here.


14 posted on 07/07/2012 4:56:21 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: vaudine

I’m sure the defense cross examined the witness.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 4:57:45 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: vaudine

And why did Mansur’s body end up being burned? Shouldn’t it have been hauled in as is for forensics sake? I guess if you’re a ditz in Florida you get away with destroying evidence and go scot free, but for a troop, that might be frowned on a tad more.


16 posted on 07/07/2012 5:00:22 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Lets see now, the chief witness against OUR man is the interpreter.
You almost have to go back to WWII when the CO of a Japanese Submarine was called to testify AGAINST the CO of the USS INDIANAPOLIS (CA-35) in the sinking of the Cruiser. Capt McVay eventually committed suicide and I think the only thing that kept him out of Leavenworth was the public outcry and a couple of Pols going to bat for him.
They also tried to ‘railroad’ LCDR Lloyd BUCHER, CO USS PUEBLO (AGER2) and like in the McVay situation, the majority of his crew and Senior Naval Officers stood behind him.

On the other hand, we can take some REMF Army Major, shoot up Ft Hood and we don’t want to embarrass anyone so he remains untouched.

When it comes to granting a full pardon, whom do you think BO will release?


17 posted on 07/07/2012 5:01:25 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn

Has this interpreter been tagged as Muslim? Some of them are Arab Christians.


18 posted on 07/07/2012 5:04:47 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Some of them are Arab Christians.
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I really don’t care if the interpreter is a practicing Catholic or Jew.
Also, I am sorry if I led you to believe that I tagged him with being a Muslim - it was strictly unintentional.

When we start convicting our people with the ‘star witness’ being ‘one of them’, we have a problem.
Of course our people will ID this gentleman and alert his Government when we ‘send him home’ and they will take care of him.

There used to be a ‘joke’ back in the 50/60’s that every time the Russians arrested an American for spying, America arrested 5 Americans for spying.


19 posted on 07/07/2012 5:26:08 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are crapping in it")
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To: kreitzer

Sadly, this is what I’m advising my kids. At least for now, steer clear of the US military.


20 posted on 07/07/2012 5:31:55 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Ooh-Ah

We should not have to follow UN rules of engagement.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 5:34:29 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Another reason not to trust American institutiona and “we the people” for that matter. More injustice: there is no end in sight!


22 posted on 07/07/2012 5:36:47 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
sad, upsetting news....

we have very few real men of character and righteousness in the military officer corp....and its diminishing as we write...

this is what happens when you throw a Clinton in there, and then an bamey .....

23 posted on 07/07/2012 5:39:18 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I agree...they have skin in the game...unlike the fat cats that are just taking up space.


24 posted on 07/07/2012 5:46:17 PM PDT by marmar ((Although, I may look different then you....my blood still runs..RED, WHITE, & BLUE. RETIRED USAF))
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To: Ooh-Ah
As the "initial aggressor" for engaging in an unauthorized interrogation of a naked detainee, Michael, the court upheld, had lost his right to self-defense. Under consideration was whether at any point in the split seconds during which the detainee hurled a piece of concrete at Michael and rushed for his gun, and Michael fired in return at the detainee, Michael ever regained it.

I would think that our military justice system would give the benefit of the doubt to our soldiers. Perhaps the judges are afraid that they will somehow offend the current administration, so they give the benefit of the doubt to the enemy.

So they lock up an American hero once in awhile, but they please their superiors and preserve their opportunities for advancement. I find fault with the current administration for creating such an atmosphere. It is another example of trickle down tyranny.

25 posted on 07/07/2012 5:47:15 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Ooh-Ah
A disgrace!

Clearly, in the military you aren't allowed 'to stand your ground' but must allow someone to shoot you first.

26 posted on 07/07/2012 5:52:40 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Ooh-Ah

How odd. In NYC when a sword wielding naked guy THREW AWAY his weapon and rushed a girl cop she sprayed around enough lead to hit other cop or cops. She was held up the next day in public as a paragon of courage and police virtue by none other than the idiot Bloomberg. I believe she got a medal. This poor soldier was patroling the wrong damn place, it seems, or he his the wrong gender...or something.


27 posted on 07/07/2012 6:04:38 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Give ‘em an honorable battlefield death...even if these jihadists don’t deserve one - and be done with them.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 6:10:43 PM PDT by citizen (It's no longer Obamacare. It's Robertscare now. He wanted it, he bought it, he owns it.)
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To: TalBlack
As the "initial aggressor" for engaging in an unauthorized interrogation of a naked detainee, Michael, the court upheld, had lost his right to self-defense. Under consideration was whether at any point in the split seconds during which the detainee hurled a piece of concrete at Michael and rushed for his gun, and Michael fired in return at the detainee, Michael ever regained it.

My first thought here was that I wished we had the same standard for law enforcement in this country with regards to their behavior toward our own people that we have for our troops' behavior toward an enemy populace. Imagine any cop getting convicted for shooting a suspect who "lunged for his gun". It wouldn't even make the news. But let a guy in a combat zone shoot an enemy combatant, who had previously blown up a few of this guy's fellow troops, who was lunging for his gun and suddenly we have to determine whether the right to self defense was re-acquired.

Sometimes I get the feeling that we sent our troops off to the middle east, but WE are the ones who ended up living in occupied territory.
29 posted on 07/07/2012 6:57:48 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The prosecution’s own forensic expert concluded Behenna’s version of events was not just plausible, but was “the only explanation” for his assessment of the evidence. He conveyed this to the prosecutor, who proceeded to bury it until after the trial. I’d trust him before the interpreter.

Behenna likely wanted to do an unauthorized field interrogation. But that doesn’t mean he then had no right to fight off an attack, to save himself. Bang him for the interrogation, but don’t imply he was then had a legal obligation to let himself be killed.

The bottom line is Behenna should have at least had a new trial.


30 posted on 07/07/2012 7:55:42 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Friday, July 06, 2012

Shame on the nation: American Hero Michael Behenna Loses Final Appeal

There is something horribly wrong in America when a soldier is jailed for killing the enemy. The criminalization of our heroes is the liberal wet dream and the goal of the enemy, Islamic supremacists. Indeed, they make common cause of their hatred of the good.

Lt. Behenna shot a known al qaeda killer on the battlefield, a terrorist the Army had actually issued a kill/capture order for before they realized he was already dead.

His mother wrote here:

... we will not give up the fight. It is our hope that Congress will hold hearings on the Army’s Catch and Release policy and the current ROE’s that limit our soldiers and Marines ability to defend themselves sometime this fall...... I have come to believe that the only way the Army will release Michael from prison is for the American public to demand it. In that regard I am once again asking for your help. The Savage Nation has been so supportive of Michael, helping us with his legal expenses, and writing letters of encouragement to him. Now I need their voice. I need the voice of the American public to demand his release.

Michael is an exceptional young man and would never have been involved in the criminal justice system but for his attempt to interrogate Mansur. Michael’s character and professionalism has shown through even through this difficult time. When he was pending charges of premeditated murder he was never placed in pre-trial confinement. He continued to work in Iraq and when he redeployed with the 101st Airborne Division in November 2008, he lived off post in Clarksville, reporting to work every day at Ft. Campbell. One of his assignments during that time was to work on President Bush’s security detail when President Bush visited the 101st Airborne Division just before Thanksgiving of 2008.

Read the rest.

Michael Behenna Loses Final Appeal Bob McCartey

Short of a presidential pardon, which isn’t likely in this day and age, it appears Army Ranger 1LT Michael C. Behenna will remain behind bars at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., until he turns 40 years old. The Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces in Washington, D.C., has upheld the 29-year-old Edmond, Okla., native’s conviction stemming from a May 16, 2008, shooting in Iraq of Ali Mansur, a known Al-Qaeda operative.

Clockwise from upper left: Michael’s family; Michael; Michael as a youngster; and Michael and his girlfriend, Shannon.

The sad news arrived shortly after 6 p.m. Central Thursday, almost 11 weeks after the five-member CAAF panel heard Lieutenant Behenna’s final appeal of the verdict that found him guilty of unpremeditated murder in the shooting death of Ali Mansur, a known Al-Qaeda operative in Iraq.

It is beyond comprehension how multiple levels of the military justice system were able to reconcile the lieutenant’s conviction with the fact that the government’s own expert witness reached the conclusion that the lieutenant acted in self defense — see this post and this post for more details — but they did. And by a 3-2 margin.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/shame-on-the-nation-american-hero-.html


31 posted on 07/08/2012 6:19:42 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: M1911A1

“Sadly, this is what I’m advising my kids. At least for now, steer clear of the US military.”
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I could not in good conscience recommend the military to any young person now. Fifty years ago today I was about half way through Navy basic training and there was plenty of injustice in the military even then but it was perfection compared to now.


32 posted on 07/08/2012 2:05:53 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: KeyLargo; bevperl; All
WE WILL NOT ABANDON MICHAEL BEHENNA!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/pardon-behenna-write-romney.html

33 posted on 07/08/2012 4:15:48 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Please send the link where you got this information. List your source!


34 posted on 07/08/2012 5:18:18 PM PDT by bevperl (Support our Troops!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Please send the link where you got this information. List your source!


35 posted on 07/08/2012 5:18:38 PM PDT by bevperl (Support our Troops!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Please send the link where you got this information. List your source!


36 posted on 07/08/2012 5:18:51 PM PDT by bevperl (Support our Troops!)
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To: bevperl

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hxttv8obWP1hPI7P-xY_fUMRMvag

parts 1 and 2 of the story:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-killing13-2009sep13,0,6346810.story

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-killing14-2009sep14,0,7133244.story


37 posted on 07/08/2012 6:59:19 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Well I suggest YOU read the first link and the next two again!

None of the nonsense reported in the first link is reported in the following links. None of first link was ever introduced at trial! AND if you read Part 1 and 2 of the those links the story certainly doesn't jive with the first link you posted.

Let me guess, you don't like the military.

Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers

38 posted on 07/08/2012 8:47:46 PM PDT by bevperl (Support our Troops!)
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To: bevperl

No, let me guess. You have never sat on a military court martial board, yet you assume they are not only corrupt morons, but will unflinchingly obey orders to convict or acquit.

The truth is that lawyer razzle-dazzle, hired gun expert witnesses, and lots of other corruptions of the legal system are found in civilians courts. But military trials are the best bet for acquittal if you are innocent or have mitigating circumstances; and they are the very worst if you are guilty and attempt to deceive them.

You assume I hate the military because, now that he is convicted and his appeal denied, I do not take the side of a war criminal murderer. Because with conviction, that is now what he is, though you refuse to accept that idea.

He is no longer an officer and a gentleman. He is a private and a prisoner.


39 posted on 07/08/2012 10:04:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Are you STILL saying your version about what actually happened in your post #8 is from the trial record? If so, PLEASE show your trial record source.

I have friends who attended the trial and hearings and shared your post #8 with them. They said what you posted was not in the trial record.


40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:52:03 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

I did not assert that it was from the trial record. But that it is not is even more damning, as that court martial board found against him even in the absence of that information.

Court martial boards are very objective, as they are composed of officers selected at random. With permission from the president of the board, individual board members may ask questions of *anyone* involved, including the prosecutor and the defense counsel, and any witnesses. As such, the most hazardous thing to do is to try and b.s. them.

In this case, my first serious heartburn is not with the former Lieutenant. It is with the G-2, who stupidly turned a detainee over to the unit that had arrested him, with orders to drive him home. Whoever ordered that should be relieved.

The former Lieutenant ended his career immediately when he did not take the Iraqi home. Had anything at all happened to that Iraqi, he would have been held responsible, both under the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions as to rules governing the treatment of detainees.

Under such circumstances there is no self-defense exception. If the detainee attacked him with a rock, it proves that his restraints had been indeed cut, something that should not have been the case until they arrived at the required destination.

Just with bare bones evidence the conviction stands.


41 posted on 07/09/2012 10:18:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: seekthetruth
I hope folks who see this post will read here too!

http://theclappermemo.com/?p=532

42 posted on 07/12/2012 4:41:02 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth
For those who are interested. PLEASE listen to this show all the way to the end. This is in support of Michael. Also in support of all our young military heroes in Leavenworth.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/holger-awakens/2012/07/15/the-awakening—free-michael-behenna

43 posted on 07/17/2012 9:00:47 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; Yulee; ..
Another hero unjustly charged!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2011/08/02/Eating-Our-Own—Another-Soldier-Convicted-For-Actions-In-Afghanistan

44 posted on 07/17/2012 1:05:19 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I couldn’t care less what actions were taken by this soldier in the course of war. My maternal grandfather served in WWII. My paternal grandfather served in Korea. I have 4 uncles who served in Vietnam. I have three cousins and six friends, 5 of whom lost their lives, who served in Iraq/Afghanistan. I have heard stories from every last one of them that would make the hair on your neck stand on end. I have heard stories of bravery, stories of sacrifice, stories of valor, and stories of pride. I’ve heard stories of shame.

War destroys the man and leaves behind a husk. It turns on its ear the very notion of morality and ethics. It makes men out of boys. It turns cowards into heroes. It kills those who would sacrifice everything. War, put simply and succinctly, is HELL.

Put yourself in Behenna’s shoes. Imagine you’re out with a bunch of friends doing a job. You’re a lineman for a phone company or a cable rat for a satellite installer. You’re an electrician or a plumber. You hook up your phone, your line tester, your ammeter, or your a flow meter, and BOOM! Just like that, every man in your crew is dead or injured. You’re alive but barely, and you see a bunch of slimy assholes running from you laughing. I don’t know about you, if I lived to see it, I would hunt down every last one of them and ensure they died the most horrific deaths they could possibly ever imagine.

My best friend Alan killed himself just 8 days after returning from Iraq. In those 8 days, he told me things that made me cry. He told me things that gave me pride being an American. He told me things that made me question who I was and what it meant to be alive. The last thing he ever told me was over a beer at a local Winghouse. He said, “Never let war come to these shores. Never let it infect you. Never let it turn you into what I’ve become.”

It destroys the humanity in a person. I don’t blame Behenna for what he did, regardless of the actual events. He was fighting in a war and did what war makes a man do: react. God bless him and may he be pardoned at some point before his release. I’d be there to shake his hand.


45 posted on 07/17/2012 4:40:32 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia; All
Thank you for your post! I agree totally.

Please go to the link below and listen to the interview with Michael Behenna’s girlfriend, Shannon, that took place this evening. The show archive should be posted soon.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow

46 posted on 07/17/2012 7:33:23 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth; All
Heroes Vote Initiative: http://www.heroesvote.org/

We all know our heroes in Leavenworth will not get to vote since they lost that right with their convictions. It is important that we make sure all our veterans get to vote and those who are deployed receive their ballots on time in order to cast their votes in our upcoming elections.

Look at the first link below and see the states that are on the All Star List. The states in dark blue are those who have made great gains in making sure our military members are receiving their absentee ballots on time and able to cast their vote in elections. If you know folks who are living in states that are not on the list, let them know that they need to get active with their County Supervisor of elections to make sure all military members from your county receive information on time so they can cast their votes in our upcoming elections.

http://www.heroesvote.org/all-star-states/

Happy to say, our Sunshine State is on the All Star List!

http://www.heroesvote.org/all-star-states/florida/

47 posted on 07/17/2012 8:42:42 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: rarestia

“God bless him and may he be pardoned at some point before his release.”

Since what he did was almost certainly due to brain injury, he cannot be pardoned, for the sole reason that he is not guilty. However, he can no more be released than can a man with severe bleeding be turned out from a hospital.

Thus what he needs is not pardon, but commutation; not release, but what amounts to confinement for medical care.

This means recognition that his is a medical case, not a criminal one; but a medical case so severe that he might not ever be allowed to walk free. That, for as yet undetermined reasons, he still represents a severe threat to himself and others.

Mental illness can be a truly horrifying thing, because a victim is no longer in the realm of reason. It is frightening to a person of reason that a person with mental illness make look fine, or even appear rational, but there is no real communication. It creates apprehension difficult to describe.

Few people can stand being around such people for any length of time. Society shuns them, because they are seen as an existential threat to reality itself. Even discussing their care in uncomfortable for most people.

But they cannot be ignored. And they cannot be free, for they can no longer function within society. And it is not their fault. They are tragedy personified.

And this is his fate.

If there is injustice, he will be put in confinement in a military prison. But in turn this may exacerbate his condition until even they realize that he does not belong there.


48 posted on 07/18/2012 6:07:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; ...
IMPORTANT MESSAGE! From Beverly Perlson of The Band Of Mothers:

The news last week that lst Lt Michael Behenna’s conviction was upheld was devastating to Michael, his devoted girlfriend Shannon, his family, and all of you folks who have stood by Michael and supported him. I was heartbroken for Michael and Shannon and his family, but frankly, I was not surprised. I have made it known that a Chief of Staff on the hill had told me last year that I would not like the eventual outcome for the guys in Leavenworth. As much as I hated his remark and fought in every way I knew how to prove him wrong, in the back of my mind I feared he knew something I didn't. Turns out, he knew what he was talking about.

Now we can rant and rave about the injustice of this decision, but I am laser focused on what we can do now to help secure Mike's release and those of the Leavenworth 10.

So...I called the Chief of Staff who knew the outcome for Mike and asked him, what is the best way to help Michael and the guys in Leavenworth now? His answer did not surprise me and I had already begun to work in this direction 6 months ago. His answer was simple and sensible, appeal to Mitt Romney. If he wins the election in November he is the man who holds the key to the doors of Leavenworth. Write him, get close to him if you can, and speak about the injustice our Soldiers have endured under this administration's current Roe's and catch and release policies.

So...I have written a letter to Anne and Mitt Romney. They are both parents who love their children and love this country. I write to them as a mother whose son served 4 deployments in this war. My letter is below. I ask you to use the info in my letter to write your own, or just use my letter. You can post your letter at Romney's website under Issues: http://www.mittromney.com/forms/site-issues

I do not have an address on the Romneys yet so if any of you out there do, please email it to me. Send your letter to the Romney campaign manger in your state and send it to Congressmen/Senators you might know who will pass this to the Romneys. Send anywhere you think it will do some good. AND most important, whether you print my letter or write your own, carry it with you. If you are at a fundraiser for Romney, pass it to the most senior person you can. I passed a letter to Paul Ryan a couple of months ago regarding Michael Behenna and the insane policies of this war. He listened in earnest and he took my information.

Please engage in this campaign to help these Warriors. We need your help desperately now. All of us together all across this nation can make a tremendous difference for Michael and all our Troops! Please remember, these young men in Leavenworth were living a happy wonderful life until one day they decided they would risk their life for you, to keep you and your family safe. Michael Behenna did just that until the day he was charged for killing a terrorist. I heard Michael's mother say recently that when Michael heard the news that his conviction was upheld, he said he was okay; he was in a “good place” within himself. I believe Michael endures with his soul intact because he knows if Ali Mansur had made it back to his village, he would have killed more of Michael's men, more of our American Sons. He knows he saved the lives of his Soldiers and he helped send them home to their families. Now we need to do everything we can to send Michael home too.

In the meantime, please pray for Mike and the Leavenworth 10. Please pray for Green Beret Kelly Stewart, awaiting his decision any day now, and lst Sgt Walter Taylor, (Purple Heart Recipient and the worst victim of military injustice yet) who is waiting to see if he is on his way to Leavenworth. AND Derrick Miller, who received a life sentence for protecting his unit from an attack. And his unit was attacked that night!!

I believe we are on the precipice of justice for these Soldiers and I believe it is only possible with the election of Mitt Romney. Thanks to all of you for your devoted support of our Soldiers. It means the world to them! And please be sure to vote to elect Mitt Romney on November 6th!

My letter is below.

Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers
http://www.thebandofmothers.com
http://www.defendmichael.com
http://www.savethissoldier.com

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Romney,

It is my belief that you will be the next President and First Lady of these great United States! I hope this is the case as I do not believe our country nor her brave defenders can endure another four years under this administration. I write this letter to be certain you are aware of the grave difficulties our military and their families are enduring under the war policies of the Obama administration. My heartfelt request for your consideration is at the end of this letter.

As the daughter of a WWII Navy Veteran, the sister of a Marine, Vietnam, and the mother of a Son who served 4 deployments with the 82nd Airborne, Bronze Star recipient in this WAR ON TERROR, I write to you with much anger, disappointment and a very heavy heart. We currently have Soldiers incarcerated at Leavenworth for serving their country and protecting their Brothers. Meanwhile, captured terrorists are released to their families by this administration on a “Pledge” promising they won't return to the battlefield. I refer you to the article, dated May 23rd, 2010 in the New York Times entitled “US Tries to Reintegrate Taliban Soldiers.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/world/asia/24reconcile.html?src=mv.

So the terrorists go home while our Soldiers continue to sit in Leavenworth! Our mothers, American mothers, cry themselves to sleep at night while Iraq and Afghan mothers rejoice! What is even worse is that the entire trial for the terrorist takes 30 minutes while our Soldiers and their families accrue enormous legal fees and travel expenses trying to defend their Hero! This is an outrage! Our Brave Warriors in Leavenworth should be given the same Pledge and released to their families!! What is good enough for the terrorists should certainly be good enough for American Sons! This double standard and cruel injustice needs to stop!

But the practice continues and when questioned in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee just last year , Admiral McRaven testified that we continue to release terrorists: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obamas-terrorist-catch-and-release-policy/2011/07/06/gIQALpxb0H_blog.html

Time and time again we see the devastating effects on our Troops as a result of this administration's dangerous and reckless catch and release policy. Just recently Col West sent a letter to President Obama regarding the release of a most dangerous terrorist, Daqduq, who killed five of our Soldiers and tortured four of them before he murdered them:

http://west.house.gov/images/stories/Letter_to_President_Obama_re_Daqduq_-_16_MAY_2012.pdf

The case of lst Lt Michael Behenna is just one tragic example of the fallout of the dangerous catch and release policy:

lst Lt Michael Behenna is currently serving a 15 year sentence for killing a known Al Qaeda terrorist, Ali Mansur. Last week, we received word from the CAAF court that Michael's conviction was upheld and he will now serve 15 years in Leavenworth. This is his last appeal. Ali Mansur was suspected of planting roadside bombs that killed two of Mike's men and when picked up and interrogated, Mansur was referred to Bucca for further interrogation. However, someone in the chain of command ordered Mansur released and unbelievably, Mike was ordered to take him home. Michael had caught the terrorist, brought him in for questioning, and then he was ordered to release him! Although Ali Mansur wore an Iraqi police uniform, Mike had gathered intelligence that Ali was planting IEDs along the routes our forces took. In the end, Mansur never made it home and I will always believe Michael held the welfare and safety of his men in his heart that fateful day. I heard Michael's mother say recently that when Michael heard the news that his conviction was upheld, he said he was okay; he was in a “good place” within himself. I believe Michael endures with his soul intact because he knows if Ali Mansur had made it back to his village, he would have killed more of Michael's men, more of our American Sons. He knows he saved the lives of his Soldiers and he helped send them home to their families

Recently, a Purple heart recipient was charged for his actions on the battlefield. We currently wait to hear whether Sgt Walter Taylor will be the next Soldier heading to Leavenworth. Sgt Taylor's attorney, James Culp, described a morbid and life threatening reality that is occurring among our brave Warriors on the battlefield: “forced hesitation through intimidation.” This administration's prosecution of brave Soldiers for their actions on the battlefield is intimidating them and the end result is their hesitation to defend themselves and their brothers for fear of prosecution and incarceration! I have no doubt this has caused the escalation in the deaths and loss of limbs of our brave Warriors! This is no way to treat our noble defenders and this is no way to fight a war!

Marcus Luttrell is the Brave and Noble Lone Survivor of Seal Team 10, Operation RedWing, who lost his beloved Brothers because they all feared murder charges and convictions from their actions during their mission. His words sum up best the tragic results of “forced hesitation through intimidation”:

“Look at me, right now in my story. Helpless, tortured, shot, blown up, my best buddies all dead, and all because we were afraid of the liberals back home, afraid to do what was necessary to save our own lives. Afraid of American civilian lawyers. I have only one piece of advice for what it's worth: if you don't want to get into a war where things go wrong, where the wrong people sometimes get killed, where innocent people sometimes have to die, then stay the hell out of it in the first place.”

I believe that most Americans would be shocked to know that this administration has released terrorists ever since they took office and yet they prosecute our Soldiers and send them to prison for doing their job. I ask you please, Mr. Romney, to call upon the Obama administration to stop releasing terrorists immediately. Further, when you take office, I ask that you please review and reverse the policies of this war so that our Soldiers can actually fight, defend themselves and their brothers, and win this war, once and for all!

Lastly and most important, please do not forget our brave Soldiers in Leavenworth. When you take office I implore you to take each Leavenworth case under review and grant pardons to those who are deserving. Michael Behenna is certainly deserving of a pardon.

God Bless You and Your Family and God Bless The United States Military!

With A Mother's Heart,

Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers
http://www.thebandofmothers.com
http://www.defendmichael.com
http://www.savethissoldier.com

49 posted on 07/21/2012 8:39:32 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth
I'll just bump the thread. If I post what I think, well...

5.56mm

50 posted on 07/21/2012 8:49:35 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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