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U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs arenít there
The Washington Post ^ | July 7, 2012 | Brian Vastag

Posted on 07/08/2012 2:26:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Michelle Amaral wanted to be a brain scientist to help cure diseases. She planned a traditional academic science career: PhD, university professorship and, eventually, her own lab.

But three years after earning a doctorate in neuroscience, she gave up trying to find a permanent job...she took an administrative position at her university, experiencing firsthand an economic reality that, at first look, is counterintuitive: There are too many laboratory scientists for too few jobs.

That reality runs counter to messages sent by President Obama and the National Science Foundation and other influential groups, who in recent years have called for U.S. universities to churn out more scientists.

Obama has made science education a priority, launching a White House science fair to get young people interested in the field.

But it’s questionable whether those youths will be able to find work when they get a PhD. Although jobs in some high-tech areas, especially computer and petroleum engineering, seem to be booming, the market is much tighter for lab-bound scientists — those seeking new discoveries in biology, chemistry and medicine.

.....Although the injection of $10 billion in federal stimulus funds to the NIH from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 “created or retained” 50,000 science jobs, according to the NIH, that money is running dry, putting those positions at risk....

....“I’ve listened to this stuff on the news about how we need more scientists and engineers,” she said. “I’m thinking, ‘What are you talking about?’ We’re here. We need something to do besides manual labor for another academic person.”

[Kim] Haas, the former drug company chemist, has even harsher words.....Haas said of her daughter. “She loves chemistry, loves math. I tell her, ‘Don’t go into science.’ I’ve made that very clear to her.”

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KEYWORDS: economy; h1b; jobs; obamadepression; obamanomics; recovery; science; technology
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President fires marshmallow cannon at White House Science Fair - Reuters - February 7, 2012

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April 12, 2012: "The Obama administration’s top science and technology official ["Czar" John P. Holdren, 1968 co-author "The Population Bomb" - who in a 2008 New York Times op-ed, called climate change skeptics "dangerous" members of a "denier fringe."], has argued for the economic de-development of America, warned science students last Friday that the United States cannot expect to be “number one” forever.

“We can’t expect to be number one in everything indefinitely,” Dr. John P. Holdren said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

Holdren is director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and chairs the President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology (PCAST), making him the top science adviser in the administration.

......In a question-and-answer session with students after the talk, one student asked Holdren how the United States could move forward now that it is no longer “the big shiny beacon” where all scientists travel to do their research.

Holdren called it a mixed picture, and said it was not purely bad for the United States that other countries were making gains instead of us."......... White House Science ‘Czar’ Tells Students: U.S. Can’t Expect to Be Number One in Science and Technology Forever

1 posted on 07/08/2012 2:26:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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April 12, 2010: "The Obama administration’s top science and technology official ["Czar" John P. Holdren, 1968 co-author "The Population Bomb" - who in a 2008 New York Times op-ed, called climate change skeptics "dangerous" members of a "denier fringe."], has argued for the economic de-development of America, warned science students last Friday that the United States cannot expect to be “number one” forever."........

2 posted on 07/08/2012 2:40:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Although the injection of $10 billion in federal stimulus funds to the NIH from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 “created or retained” 50,000 science jobs, according to the NIH, that money is running dry, putting those positions at risk....

Sounds like a 10 Billion dollar can-kick to me.

3 posted on 07/08/2012 2:43:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Under ObamaCare, the will be no payments for “expensive therapies”. Hence, no further need for R&D dollars, researchers or sales force. All generic drug product lines will be sold off to third world countries. The US will continue to see widespread drug shortages of simple items.
Good luck getting the necessary meds you need to stay alive.


4 posted on 07/08/2012 2:45:55 AM PDT by Artie
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To: Artie
July 6, 2012: For lack of soap and clean toilets: Cholera kills 15, sickens hundreds in eastern Cuba [security agents clamp down on chaos]
5 posted on 07/08/2012 2:57:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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There are plenty of jobs for engineers. PHd lab rats are nothing but academic whores. They don’t deserve a job just because they have lost of book learning. Tell me you can design hardware or write good code or fix things or devise new insruments or better widgets that can be sold.... then you will have a job. Tell me you want to spend your time researching things that interest you and may or may not be useful??? Those guys are a dime a dozen.


6 posted on 07/08/2012 3:21:24 AM PDT by Nifster
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As a university researcher, educator, and “trainer of scientists” I think the observation is accurate. But..... for any meaninful story, the headline should have read: “Scientisits are not excluded from Obama’s economic disaster. Job prospects among the bleakest in our country’s history.”


7 posted on 07/08/2012 4:17:32 AM PDT by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do not seek a career dependent on government grants.....even a brain science Phd.


8 posted on 07/08/2012 4:23:59 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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“....“I’ve listened to this stuff on the news about how we need more scientists and engineers,” she said. “I’m thinking, ‘What are you talking about?’ We’re here. We need something to do besides manual labor for another academic person.”

Aww, poor thing. She planned to live fat-n-happy off ‘hopey changie’ federal grants the rest of her life, just like those scam solar companies.

9 posted on 07/08/2012 5:01:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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“Obama has made science education a priority, launching a White House science fair to get young people interested in the field.”

I wasn’t aware that was part of the powers of the Executive Branch. Silly me!!!!


10 posted on 07/08/2012 5:15:43 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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Better increase the H1-b quotas. /sarc


11 posted on 07/08/2012 5:16:10 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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In a related story...
Air Conditioning repairmen earning $100/hr. cannot keep up with demand for services.


12 posted on 07/08/2012 5:18:59 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Nifster

There are jobs...I wouldn’t say plenty, for engineers but not for recent graduates. I just tried to help a graduating Lehigh university engineer to get a job, and although I’ve worked for 50 years in the chemocal business, I couldn’t help him.

I’m working still myself at 72 so I guess I’m taking someone’s job. But then they don’t have to pay me benefits and I don’t make as much as I used too, but now there are people with experience like me, available at the full cost of a new hire.

Don’t blame the new graduates. PhD’s are necessary and they were sold out by the system as the article says.


13 posted on 07/08/2012 5:27:01 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is not enough)
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I agree.

For fun, I recently took a course in math - after a 30 year gap. One of the things that struck me was how much of what I was studying existed for the pre-computer days. There were rules for how to anticipate the shape of a graph, or solve the equation, when everyone in the class knew their calculator could do it in 1-2 seconds. If you didn’t want to spend $100 on a calculator, there were online programs that would solve it and do 3-D graphs for free. I enjoyed the class, but it cured me of going back to school for a math degree.

Someone majoring in math would need to go outside of math to find work at anything under the PhD level.

I suspect the same is true of engineering. One engineer who knew what questions to ask and how to frame the problem could do the work of 20 engineers from the slide rule days.

I suspect many of the jobs requiring brains are now being ‘out-sourced’ to computers as well as India. It isn’t that the work has stopped, but that technology now allows one person to do the work of 10-20, which drops the demand way down.


14 posted on 07/08/2012 5:44:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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All those non-union car plants in the country are looking for engineers, software developers, machinists and people who know robotics.

Thousands of jobs waiting to be had at great salaries. Insteal the colleges are turning out literature majors.


15 posted on 07/08/2012 5:45:09 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The WP headline is pretty misleading, as the article purports to be about “scientists” and mentions engineers, but is almost entirely devoted to only one group of fields -bioscience - and one industry - pharmaceuticals.

Not surprising there is a glut in this field as right about now is when all the people who were steered into the field by the biotech frenzy finally have gotten the PhDs only to find out it was a bubble.


16 posted on 07/08/2012 5:46:34 AM PDT by Strategerist
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Under ObamaCare, the will be no payments for “expensive therapies”

This depends on the current definition of expensive. Bandaids. asprin, pain and euthanasia pills are relatively cheap. Everyhing else can become defined as expensive ...


17 posted on 07/08/2012 5:54:30 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Two groups who vote overwhelmingly Democrat: PhDs and unemployed. Get someone to take on a mountain of student debt to get a PhD and then make sure he never gets a job and you’ll have a Democrat for life.

Mission accomplished.


18 posted on 07/08/2012 5:55:05 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Nifster

Yes. Phd is way overrated.


19 posted on 07/08/2012 6:02:51 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Strategerist

The bio-technology boom started in earnest around 2002 (think the anthrax scare just after 9/11) and lasted until about 2005. The government pour HUGE amounts of money into the area, then asked for the results and found none. The academics and government labs were like, “What? You wanted products? We don’t do products!” After that, the industry imploded.


20 posted on 07/08/2012 6:03:51 AM PDT by fuente
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