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Despite Delays, Chair Lifts Coming To Public Pools
NPR ^ | July 6, 2012 | by Gigi Douban

Posted on 07/08/2012 7:07:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Pools open to the public were supposed to have chair lifts installed for people with disabilities in time for this summer, but after a wave of protests, the federal order was delayed until January.

Still, some of the country's 300,000 or so pools at hotels, parks and gyms continue to fight the requirement.

Vestavia Hills pool near Birmingham, Ala., is one of thousands of pools that scrambled to get a chair lift installed by May.

At first glance, it looks like a lifeguard chair, only low to the ground. It's meant to help people with disabilities get in and out of the water.

"It goes really, really slow," says Candia Cole, Vestavia's pool supervisor."

May was the second installation deadline set by the U.S. Justice Department as part of a new provision of the Americans with Disabilities Act. But then many owners of the affected pools complained. Each chair lift costs as much as $8,000. And most hotel pools don't have lifeguards to operate them.

The elderly, people with arthritis or someone who is missing a limb could benefit from the chair lift, but Cole says so far no one's asked to use it.

"If it's used or not, you know, it's here, so we got it — ready to go," she says. "Come on down! The water's fine!"

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KEYWORDS: disability; regulations
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1 posted on 07/08/2012 7:07:12 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ok, so I have a question. Is a lifeguard required now for all public pools? What if a disabled person, who is disabled enough not to be able to get into the pool, gets into trouble when in said pool? Will the owners of the public pool be sued? I think the person should sue the Gov’t for requiring these $10,000 lifts at EVERY pool. Another expense that small business owners (think Motel 6) cannot afford. The Democrats will completely destroy this economy if they get 4 more years.
2 posted on 07/08/2012 7:12:01 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But having to ask someone to operate the lift for you is stigmatizing. It has to be operable by the physically challenged person themselves - more lawsuits. Kids will use it, someone will get hurt - more lawsuits. The device just sitting there with no one using it will need periodic testing and certification - like an elevator - more cost, regulations, and staff. The nanny state is expensive.


3 posted on 07/08/2012 7:16:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Who gave us the Americans with Disabilities Act? George HW Bush. He also gave us David Souter and, read my lips, a massive tax increase.

Nixon gave us the EPA and Title IX.

But, surely, Mitt Romney will be different and another Ronald Reagan...Just look at his record as governor!

4 posted on 07/08/2012 7:19:03 AM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Good. They can double as dunking chairs to be used for visiting politicians.


5 posted on 07/08/2012 7:20:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

6 posted on 07/08/2012 7:24:29 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Kazan
But, surely, Mitt Romney will be different and another Ronald Reagan...Just look at his record as governor!

Vote for obama then, he'll be so much better, eh?

Prolly your guy anyway

7 posted on 07/08/2012 7:28:46 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Anybody else out there getting pretty darn sick of entitled disabled people?

How about we require that each such pool needs an at-the-ready “Companion Dolphin” to swim around in the pool with said disabled person?

I myself cannot keep food down whenever I happen to see or hear Obama. Finding a lawyer and a doctor to get this declared a disability should be a piece of cake. I demand an electronic device that superimposes Stalin’s face and Bugs Bunny’s voice whenever the O appears. Certainly would make my life better.


8 posted on 07/08/2012 7:28:46 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kazan
Who gave us the Americans with Disabilities Act? George HW Bush. He also gave us David Souter and, read my lips, a massive tax increase.

Nixon gave us the EPA and Title IX.

And Reagan gave us Sandra Day O'Connor, Amnesty and the 21-year old drinking age.

But, surely, Mitt Romney will be different and another Ronald Reagan...Just look at his record as governor!

You might not want to look at Reagan's record as governor too closely.

9 posted on 07/08/2012 7:30:52 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have no problem with reasonable efforts to accommodate the handcapped when it comes to things such as access to public buildings, access to facilities within the building, etc. I’ve also known disbaled people who are able to operate a car with the use of specially installed controls. As long as they can demonstarte that they can operate the vehicle safely, again, no problem. This, however, makes no sense to me. If a person’s physical abilities are limited to the point where they cannot get in and out of a pool without this type of device, they should not be using the pool. All this does is put them at great risk.


10 posted on 07/08/2012 7:33:02 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You should read the comments at the main npr site. The liberals’ feathers are highly ruffled that the writer put such a realistic face on the law and its effects. Stupid law. The DOJ lawyer sounds like a fool, too.


11 posted on 07/08/2012 7:35:30 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: dagogo redux

“How about we require that each such pool needs an at-the-ready ‘Companion Dolphin’ to swim around in the pool with said disabled person?”

Quit giving them ideas! ;)


12 posted on 07/08/2012 7:36:38 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: dagogo redux

“Anybody else out there getting pretty darn sick of entitled disabled people”?

...our neighborhood “Kroger” grocery store has about 20 handicapped parking spaces. I go there at least 3 x’s a week and never are there more than 2 in use. I took my visiting 88 year old Mother in law there and parked in one. I don’t have a pass but she’s 88 and it was 100 degrees so I had to park closely. I got scolded by some passer by. Stayed there anyway and got nasty stares all the way through the store. Only 1 other space was in use. So yeah, I’m sick of it.


13 posted on 07/08/2012 7:36:49 AM PDT by albie
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To: Kazan
Who gave us the Americans with Disabilities Act? George HW Bush. He also gave us David Souter and, read my lips, a massive tax increase. Nixon gave us the EPA and Title IX. But, surely, Mitt Romney will be different and another Ronald Reagan...Just look at his record as governor!

If your only purpose in life is to get Obama re-elected, then you are surely wasting your life.

14 posted on 07/08/2012 7:38:30 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

When does accidently splashing one of them become a hate crime and open one to a huge lawsuit becuase a 5-year old didn’t observe the nosplashing within 100 feet of a disabled person rule when diving into a pool?


15 posted on 07/08/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: GodfearingTexan
You should read the comments at the main npr site. The liberals’ feathers are highly ruffled that the writer put such a realistic face on the law and its effects. Stupid law.

I sometimes listen to NPR in the car and a few months back they were doing a series on small businesses being wiped out due to government over-regulation. I was surprised to be hearing this on NPR, given their reputation.

Honestly, I think NPR is more "fair and balanced" than most of the network and cable news stations.

16 posted on 07/08/2012 7:48:18 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Kazan

As governor, Ragan signed tax increases and a gun control law. Just saying


17 posted on 07/08/2012 7:52:34 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Drew68

Dear Godfearing Texan: You don’t listen enough to NPR. It is the voice of communism in the US.

They must be defunded as priority one next year.


18 posted on 07/08/2012 7:53:36 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: muir_redwoods

The moochie nation just became fatter without pools.


19 posted on 07/08/2012 7:55:22 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: kjo
You don’t listen enough to NPR. It is the voice of communism in the US.

That's why they're publishing articles like this one and airing reports on crippling government over-regulation?

20 posted on 07/08/2012 7:59:30 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: albie

My husband and I went to a hotel....there were a LINE of about 10 handicapped spaces available along the building...the parking lot was very full, and our dog was in our vehicle for the night....soooo...we parked IN a handicapped one (right below our room)....like WHO is going to come and monitor a hotel parking lot for handicapped violations, esp. when they are empty? Course, don’t get me started on “compact” parking spaces....


21 posted on 07/08/2012 8:01:00 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My “public pool” is evaluating their options. First option is about $8000 to comply with the law. Second option is to become a “private pool”. We have checked with lawyers, and it looks like we can legally deny access to people who used to use the pool and then not have to install the chair lift. “Equal access” doesn’t always result in greater access.


22 posted on 07/08/2012 8:04:59 AM PDT by LostPassword
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Each chair lift costs as much as $8,000.

Ok who gave Obama money and votes?.


23 posted on 07/08/2012 8:05:32 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: GreenHornet

I have mixed feelings about this. I’m visualizing a small town with one pool and limited resources. They should be exempt. I’m thinking of my community though which has multiple pools. One at least could have one of these devices and those special stairs for getting in and out (I’ve actually used those on days when I’m a bit stiff). My fitness center has three pools. One of them has this device and the stairs. It’s the indoor pool. I saw a young man in a wheel chair though who had the upper body strength to swing himself out of the chair and into the water and back out again - no legs. But in another 20 years, what will he do. Motel 6, nope. Small one pool towns nope. Maybe local option and market forces but not federal government. That’s what I’m thinking.


24 posted on 07/08/2012 8:07:55 AM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: muir_redwoods

As governor, Ragan signed tax increases and a gun control law. Just saying.....

When was that ?? over a half century ago???????? Even God changes his mind now and then.


25 posted on 07/08/2012 8:27:37 AM PDT by RightLady (Take out the trash the first Tues after the first Monday in Nov)
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To: LostPassword

If so, motels could concession their pool to a private company and guests would have to pay in order to use the pool, making it a “private” pool. To me, a motel pool seems like it is a private pool anyway, but apparently not.


26 posted on 07/08/2012 8:34:49 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: LostPassword

If so, motels could concession their pool to a private company and guests would have to pay in order to use the pool, making it a “private” pool. To me, a motel pool seems like it is a private pool anyway, but apparently not.


27 posted on 07/08/2012 8:34:59 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Anima Mundi

If we require “membership” or charge for use, we would be considered “public”. Because of the way our HOA is organized, we have about 500 “owners” of the pool. Individual “owners” can give access to individual “guests”. But, the HOA cannot give access to anyone (for a fee or not), and individuals cannot give access to a group (e.g. scout pack) or we’d be considered public.
I may have things a little off but the end result is that we need to tell about 75 people they can no longer use the pool because there’s no way we can set up a membership or fee and not be “public”.


28 posted on 07/08/2012 8:49:54 AM PDT by LostPassword
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To: albie

“...our neighborhood “Kroger” grocery store has about 20 handicapped parking spaces”

In my area, members of the entitled class simply park in the fire lanes.


29 posted on 07/08/2012 8:57:59 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Drew68

Yep....that’s why.

A little misdirection...with selected industries/pet projects.


30 posted on 07/08/2012 9:26:14 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Anyone who complies with the regulation is enabling the tyrants.

Every business with a pool should shut it down and hang a sign on it saying "Closed by order of the US Department of Justice."

Respond to every tyrannical edict in like manner, and eventually the tyrants will be overthrown.

31 posted on 07/08/2012 9:40:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes, well, let’s elect Mitt Romney and hopefully THAT ill advised federal intrusion will be nullified, too.

I really really really HATE Washington D.C. bureaucrats forcing their rules upon us...it is totally anathema to why we became the United States.


32 posted on 07/08/2012 9:50:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Not an easy one to be sure. For those who balk at the motel providing handicap accessible pool, what about handicap acceptable room?

And, for pools that are owned and operated using tax money, the handicapped are usually tax-payers, just as non-handicapped swimmers.

As to the safety issue, one who has mobility issues on dry-land often find those issues removed in the water.

And, our private membership pol installed a chair lift more than 10 years ago. So it is not out of realm to plan and install one.

And, it is a free-market consideration. If those who do not wish to bring up the pools to code can close them and compete with the motels who chose to keep them open at a higher cost. There are times that i travel and do not have time for a pool, so that is not a factor in where I stay. Other times I do want to. Ate use of a pool, and will choose accordingly.


33 posted on 07/08/2012 9:55:24 AM PDT by ace2u_in_MD (You missed something...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
At great expense the city put up a wheelchair playground in the park near us. Never has it been used in 10 years.
34 posted on 07/08/2012 10:03:59 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Drew68

I sometimes listen to it. 9/10 there’s a whiney tone to the correspondent’s voice about this injustice or that. If they did indeed do a story about the over-burdened small business, then good for them.


35 posted on 07/08/2012 10:06:06 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: Vince Ferrer

My grandchildren wil grow not knowing what a public pool was.


36 posted on 07/08/2012 10:06:49 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Vince Ferrer

My grandchildren wlil grow up not knowing what a public pool was.


37 posted on 07/08/2012 10:07:31 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Vince Ferrer

My grandchildren wlil grow up not knowing what a public pool was.


38 posted on 07/08/2012 10:07:47 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Every business with a pool should shut it down

we've already filled in 2 of the 3 pools that we have at our various apartment buildings. They simply were not worth the hassle and cost.

39 posted on 07/08/2012 10:14:34 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

M/M Lifeguard.... could you carry me up to the high dive, I need to practice my swan dive....


40 posted on 07/08/2012 10:17:28 AM PDT by Kenika (Dum de dum dum)
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To: SoFloFreeper
All those who constantly rant that the hate DC bureaucrats who are imposing all extraneous regulations on us have totally misdirected their anger. Bureaucrats initiate almost nothing on their own, they enact policies put in place by ELECTED OFFICIALS!. I will say it again in case no one is paying any attention! Bureaucrats execute policies put in place by ELECTED OFFICIALS! This is true for bureaucrats in DC, state, county or city government. We keep electing the same fools to Congress and particularly state legislature, county & city positions. And let me even defend these “elected fools” a bit! Whenever the “activist class” trot out a sob story in the full glare of the media for “elected fools&rdquo to solve; they usually cave into the “activists” demands! And why do they cave in, because a significant percentage of the “voting public” does also (maybe even a majority!) The “elected fools” know that so it's in their best interest to cave in! Much of this is simple media manipulation; People need to think past the initial warm glow of “the elected official cares” moment and see what the true cost over time will be! Of course if you do that be prepared to be thought of as a heartless racist conservative meanie!

We do this to ourselves! The true source is for this is us!

41 posted on 07/08/2012 10:36:53 AM PDT by Reily
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To: originalbuckeye

Expect to find that a lot of pools that were in the smaller hotels and vacation places you have gone to will no longer be there. I expect a lot will be filled and cemented over and made into exercise or public areas. A government rule made for the benefit of less than 1% of the public will cause 100% to lose access to public pools.


42 posted on 07/08/2012 10:40:00 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Kazan
Who gave us the Americans with Disabilities Act? George HW Bush. He also gave us David Souter and, read my lips, a massive tax increase.

Nixon gave us the EPA and Title IX.

Don't forget the Earned Income Tax Credit! Proposed by Nixon, signed into law by Ford and increased under every administration since, without exception. A fine piece of pure communist garbage.

43 posted on 07/08/2012 10:42:41 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Kazan

And W gave us Judas Roberts.


44 posted on 07/08/2012 10:44:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: originalbuckeye

The Democrats will completely destroy this economy if they get 4 more years.

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Then they will be able to declare victory, as that is one of their goals. Destruction of our economy is essential to their ultimate goal of replacing our system with a soviet style one.


45 posted on 07/08/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ummmm, how about install a ramp after the pool is closed for the season. No moving parts - can’t break down.

in my obervations, I have noticed that most new pools have a zero entry end - which eliminates the need for a chair.


46 posted on 07/08/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: RightLady

So you allow for Romney to change for the better as well?


47 posted on 07/08/2012 1:26:15 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: Kenika
M/M Lifeguard.... could you carry me up to the high dive, I need to practice my swan dive....

Good luck even finding a pool with a diving board these days. Those things were yanked out years ago.

I remember as a child summoning every ounce of courage I had to jump off the high dive into the 14' deep end. Nowadays, most public pools are about 6' deep max and no diving boards to speak of.

48 posted on 07/08/2012 1:41:06 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Mercat

Maybe such laws shouldn’t be retroactive, or, ex post facto, but apply to new construction only.

As an example, an older home might have exposed knob and post wiring for electricity. Generally it is OK to maintain the components, from an electrical code perspective but no new home construction may be constructed this way.


49 posted on 07/08/2012 2:10:07 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: GreenHornet

“If a person’s physical abilities are limited to the point where they cannot get in and out of a pool without this type of device, they should not be using the pool. All this does is put them at great risk.”


NO. NO. and NO. It ain’t necessarily so. There was a time when I had membership at the Kroc Center in San Diego (an EXCELLENT facility btw, a rec. pool with 5 lanes or so - deepest part about 4 feet. The more ‘serious’ pool — 11 lanes, all deep water 9-12 feet or so. And a therapy pool-this last indoors. Therapy pool about chest high. MANY elderly people used it, along with those of us with aches/pains etc. They had 2 of the chairlifts — one for indoors and the other stationed outdoors at the ‘serious’ pool — it was made good use of by those who needed it. Handicapped people aren’t all the same! Not really easy to haul yourself in and out of pool if you’re missing a leg or an arm — but otherwise they swim quite well and manage — that’s HOW they manage to stay in shape - they are in no danger of drowning any more than the average swimmer. The Kroc center was HUGE and could afford it — I’d be loath to require Motel Six to do it!


50 posted on 07/08/2012 2:12:55 PM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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