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Posted on 07/08/2012 1:15:07 PM PDT by wintertime

Things are looking grim for teachers unions. The National Education Association (NEA) membership has declined by more than 100,000 since 2010, and the union’s own projections indicate that within two more years it could have lost a total of 308,000 full-time teachers and other workers. This would represent a 16% drop in membership from 2010.

It’s not simply member numbers at stake, but the dues each member provides. If projections are correct, then the NEA budget will decline 18% and they’ll have $65 million less to work with.

Greg Toppo of USA Today reports that the NEA explains the unprecedented membership losses on a combination of long-term factors such as the expansion of online learning and changing teacher demographics. While they acknowledge things are unlikely to ever return to the way they were, the NEA remains unbowed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nea; teachersunion; uniondecline
Could this decline in NEA membership be partly due a decrease in the number of government school students due to the loss of the legitimacy of government schooling in the minds of Americans and the decline in respect for government teachers and their unions? Greg Toppo mentions on-line learning in the article but fails to account for the increased number of homeschoolers ( now at 4% of the school-age population), charters, and vouchers.

Large and intractable institutions can lose their legitimacy and public acceptance seemingly overnight. Government schooling is not an exception. Other examples include the Catholic Church and the Reformation, the American Revolution, slavery, and Jim Crow.

Hopefully, Americans, and their government representatives, are becoming aware of the following:

--Fundamentally, government schools can NOT be religiously neutral.

--Fundamentally, government schools will establish the religious worldview of the most powerful political faction ( currently godless).

--Fundamentally, citizens are under police and court threat to pay taxes for a non-neutral religious, political, and cultural worldveiw they may find abhorrent.

--Fundamentally, unless a parent can ransom their children by way of private schooling or home schooling their child will be indoctrinated in the government established religious. political, and cultural worldview.

--Fundamentally, government schools are a compulsory, single-payer, and socialist entitlement.

--Fundamentally, government schooling is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

--Fundamentally, children who attend government schools will learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom. How could it be otherwise? And...They risk learning to be comfortable with government compulsion and socialism. Why? Answer: Because any voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of free stuff and force them to use it.

1 posted on 07/08/2012 1:15:12 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
“When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll start representing the interests of school children.”
~Albert Shanker, President of the United Federation of Teachers from 1964 to 1984 as well as President of the American Federation of Teachers from 1974 to 1997
2 posted on 07/08/2012 1:19:14 PM PDT by South40 ("Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance." Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: wintertime

Unions are toast, they heralded the revolution for equality, and since that is a cruel joke upon man they are the next to be blamed for failure. Done


3 posted on 07/08/2012 1:26:26 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: wintertime

I’ll bet there are still a lot of teachers in this country who would rather teach the kids than to indoctrinate them for the DNC. I met one of them from New Mexico while standing in a line at a recent NASCAR race. She said she retired because she just couldn’t put up with the BS anymore. She reminded me of one of the teachers I had when I was a kid many, many moons ago.


4 posted on 07/08/2012 1:26:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help reduce voter fraud in America! If you see something, say something!)
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To: wintertime
membership has declined by more than 100,000 since 2010

I don't know.

Does that match the total in prison for molesting their students?

5 posted on 07/08/2012 1:29:23 PM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: wintertime

People keep sending their children to Government schools and you propogate more of the liberal garbage. Even private and Religious schools need to be investigated for liberal taint. But the decline of NEA Union membership is a positive step.

I admire those that home school, it is a difficult but it helps society as well as your children.


6 posted on 07/08/2012 1:32:30 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org)
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To: King_Corey
..and you propogate more of the liberal garbage....
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How am I doing that? Did you mean to say this?

7 posted on 07/08/2012 1:37:05 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

They are declining because they have served their purpose. They have done the damage needed to allow the marxists to win...and they have. There is only one step in the marxist takeover remaining, where people like us get visited between 3 and 4 in the morning and exterminated.


8 posted on 07/08/2012 1:44:52 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
They are declining because they have served their purpose. They have done the damage needed to allow the marxists to win...and they have. There is only one step in the marxist takeover remaining, where people like us get visited between 3 and 4 in the morning and exterminated.

They would kill us if they could. They just can't get away with it ...( yet.)

9 posted on 07/08/2012 1:48:22 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Sorry, not >you< but the general populace that support the government schools by sending their child to the public schools.

People in general are supporting public schools, in the fantasy that their public school is different, and not like the bad ones that push liberal thought into kids heads.

Please excuse my prior direction of the personal pronoun, and exchange it for a general admonition of persons whom have and do send their child off to the public indoctorination centers we know as public school.


10 posted on 07/08/2012 1:49:40 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org)
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To: wintertime

“They would kill us if they could. They just can’t get away with it ...( yet.)”

...never, if we protect ourselves and our 2nd Amendment rights (NOT priviledges, RIGHTS!)

It is time to keep our powder dry...


11 posted on 07/08/2012 1:51:37 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: South40

Wells, yes, But ironically Al did give a damn about students, and cared much less about the fortunes of democratic politicians. Today’s union leaders are more interested lobbying politicians for greater expenditures on the public schools, and paying themselves very large salaries, commensurate, of course, with the very large salaries of their true peers, school administrators.


12 posted on 07/08/2012 1:54:33 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime
Could this decline in NEA membership be partly due a decrease in the number of government school students

No, I don't believe there has been any decline in the number of public school students. It's due, in part, to states like Wisconsin that have stopped collecting union dues thus making them voluntary.

13 posted on 07/08/2012 1:56:49 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: King_Corey

Even well-educated parents have only a passing interest in their public schools. Once their own kids are through, they pay almost no attention to what goes on.


14 posted on 07/08/2012 1:57:35 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: King_Corey
Ok. I understand.

Personally, I can read the mind of God, but I expect he is mightily angry with American Christians for doing three things:

— Allowing abortion to continue ( both voters and representatives) .

— Sending Christian children into godless schools where 85% will not be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from high school.

— Christian teachers who WILLINGLY seek work in, cooperate with, and establish the godless government school worldview every day that they teach there. These so-called Christians are willing teaching children to think and reason godlessly!

15 posted on 07/08/2012 2:04:08 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: King_Corey

That should read: Can NOT read the mind of God.


16 posted on 07/08/2012 2:04:58 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: RobbyS
Even well-educated parents
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Well....What are they? In a coma?

In some states the school taxes on home property are in the FIVE FIGURES! That should interest them.

The true cost of godless socialist-entitlment government schooling: ( A powerful video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE

17 posted on 07/08/2012 2:10:16 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Could this decline in NEA membership be partly due a decrease in the number of government school students ...

I doubt it. It's possible that government school usage as a percentage of total students has fallen somewhat, but I think headcounts are still increasing in the aggregate. I believe the union membership statistics reflect, as the article indicates, that more states are allowing teachers to avoid union membership. There may also be some geographic trends regarding AFT vs. NEA, rather like SAT vs. ACT.

18 posted on 07/08/2012 2:15:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Moslem ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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To: wintertime

Poor teachers are grossly overpaid and good teachers grossly underpaid. - Milton Friedman

19 posted on 07/08/2012 2:21:11 PM PDT by Zakeet (Like Barack said, "We can't be broke cause we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: wintertime

They’ve bought the myth that the public schools are the foundation of our prosperity. BESIDES, property taxes are much less than the price of a private school. , and their own kids are able to isolate themselves from most of the negativity by taking the right classes and engaging in the right activities. In addition to that, many schools are virtual palaces, with all the luxuries of private colleges. They tolerate the taxes because it helps keep up property values in their district.


20 posted on 07/08/2012 2:23:33 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: King_Corey

Home schooling father of 5. Married 27 years. Can’t say I’m proud of all my children and their choices in life but they were schooled well by Mom and I.


21 posted on 07/08/2012 2:27:32 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: RobbyS; wintertime
property taxes are much less than the price of a private school

My property taxes are in the $1,500 per year range. Up a bit since we moved here almost 10 years ago, but not much.

I have *seven* "school-aged" children, eight if we got Francisco into early pre-kindergarten. If we lowballed the average per-pupil cost at $6,000 each - the average is more, and I could claim at least three as "Exceptional Students," because "insanely smart" equals "autism spectrum" - that's $42,000 to $48,000 that we're saving the county/state by teaching our children at home.

I like to think that our county taxes all go to the Sheriff's department, because we like them, and our state taxes go to state parks! But anyway, we get some school-benefit when the kids go to community college, because that's county/state subsidized even if we pay the tuition in cash.

22 posted on 07/08/2012 2:30:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Moslem ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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To: Tax-chick
If we lowballed the average per-pupil cost at $6,000 each - the average is more, and I could claim at least three as “Exceptional Students,” because “insanely smart” equals “autism spectrum” - that's $42,000 to $48,000 that we're saving the county/state by teaching our children at home.
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“The True Cost of Public Education”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE

Hm?....I homeschooled three children:

$15,000 x3x13 years= $585,000

If the states really wanted to balance their budgets they would pay parents to keep their kids out of school.

23 posted on 07/08/2012 2:40:36 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: South40

‘The stated mission of the National Education Association is “to advocate for education professionals and to unite our members and the nation to fulfill the promise of public education to prepare every student to succeed in a diverse and interdependent world,”[4] as well as concerning itself with the wage and working condition issues common to other labor unions.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association

Teachers first, skrool baby goats second.


24 posted on 07/08/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Tax-chick

You are lucky they let you keep your kinds. Seriously, some PC zealots think you are ruining their lives. that YOU are the nut. But if one thinks about it, the factory system make no sense. In a second grade class, you have kids almost a year apart in age, which helps a young, bright kid. But what about the less swift? And what happens when they get to the sixth grade and the older girls are beginning to bud while the younger ones are still immature. But, here they are, marching through the same lessons. A colleague of mine attended a one room school house, where forty youngsters, ages six to fourteen were in the same room. The older and smarter kids took care of the younger and slower. The teacher ran the thing as if it were one large family, and it being a farm community with the parents fully supportive, it worked wonderfully. Most of the kids did famously when they went to high school, although some went their own way in the much larger school. he told me the story about this one guy, who had been friends with this girl in the elementary schools, a very pretty girl. He ended up marrying another girl, and my friend later on asked him why, and the guy confessed that if he had married his childhood sweetheart it would have been too much like marrying his sister. Not many years afterwards, they consolidated and closed the old school, in part because the farmers were moving to town.


25 posted on 07/08/2012 2:50:45 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime

If the states wanted to save money, they wouldn’t run them like factories or government agencies, with all this top down management. And they would do like Finland does and train their teachers better.


26 posted on 07/08/2012 2:54:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime

At one time in America you couldn’t tax a man’s land nor his labor.


27 posted on 07/08/2012 2:54:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Every time I read about the NEA and unionization of teachers, I recall my high school days in Virginia back in the late 60s. That was about the time teachers were talking about unionizing. One of the arguments I heard from a teacher against unionization was that doing so was unprofessional. Afterall, engineers, doctors, accountants and lawyers (other professionals) didn’t join a union. I’m sure there were other concerns. Low and behold, student performance has fallen every year, since. In fact, it’s gotten so bad that they have been forced to “dumbdown” college ACT and SAT tests!


28 posted on 07/08/2012 3:13:36 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: cpa4you

Unions had that much of a bad rep back then?


29 posted on 07/08/2012 3:56:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Zakeet

Is that a teacher holding that semi-literate sign?


30 posted on 07/08/2012 4:27:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Thud

FYI


31 posted on 07/08/2012 4:28:54 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: RobbyS
What's needed is choice and the best model would win.

When our Founding Fathers promoted the importance of education they likely had their **own** educations in mind. They likely would be **horrified** to see the prison-like environment in which our nation's children are imprisoned today. So? What did our Founding Father's enjoy?

—homeschooling
—private tutoring
—dame schools in the homes of neighbors
—one room schools organized by neighbors
—private residential academies in the homes of tutors to prepare the brightest for entrance into college as very young teens
—apprenticeships
—Sunday schools

The “Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin” is very interesting.

What if:

What if individual teachers were to run schools in their homes?
What if the zoning and health requirements of these “dame schools” were no more than home-based day care?
What if parents were to get to together and hire a teacher for a one room school as some faithful Catholics families are now doing?
What if there were tutoring centers that supervised on-line schooling?
What if homeschoolers were to take in an extra child or two?

**What if parents voluntarily abandoned the prison-like Prussian model that dots the landscape like minimum security prisons?

32 posted on 07/08/2012 5:17:16 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: RobbyS

Finland has vouchers. The money follows the child. Finland went from being last in standardized testing in Europe to first soon after vouchers were introduced. Vouchers are solidly backed by both the conservatives and liberals in that nation.


33 posted on 07/08/2012 5:19:29 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Fascinating to relate the downfall of American education and its unions, the successes of home schooling, with the actions of George Washington.

Way back when, in the late 1700’s, Americans that could afford to do so, would send their children to British schools. This did NOT go over well with George Washington, who saw the need for the youth to understand and appreciate the new Republican form of government, especially as necessary for the future well being of the American society. GW’s vision was for American schools that would teach American Republican political values, the values of the American Revolution, to the young and future leaders. GW’s extensive last will and testament gave huge sums for the establishment of school(s? might have been more than 1) for this purpose.

How the tables have turned in our public education system. Our American schools are actively fomenting our destruction.


34 posted on 07/08/2012 6:22:21 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: wintertime
Unions have given teachers a bad name.

Teaching - even 30 years ago - was seen as an honorable. Most folks looked up to teachers. It's not that way now. Seems unionizing was was a high price to pay to safeguard the jobs of the creeps who came on to students, teachers who cheated to get better evaluations, and those who were arrested but still got to keep their jobs...

Unions served the creeps well - but they let down the old fashioned hard working teachers of old...

Who's lost the most respect in the last few years? Teachers or the press?

35 posted on 07/08/2012 7:02:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies - to ignorance. Speak honesty to corruption . Stand-up to liberal elite liars..)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I don’t know about other places, but we’d just been through violent demonstrations at the Newport News Shipyard. Riots, shootings, police car burned, just typical union thuggery!


36 posted on 07/08/2012 7:24:58 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: wintertime
If projections are correct, then the NEA budget will decline 18% and they’ll have $65 million less to work with...

...help the Democrats shove more communism and homosexuals down America's throat.

37 posted on 07/08/2012 7:31:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: C210N

My bet is that George Washington would be horrified to see the prison-like schools that our nation’s children endure, today.

How many of the nation’s founders had their pre-college education in England?


38 posted on 07/08/2012 8:19:23 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: C210N
Our modern government school system since its beginnings ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) has **always** been a destructive threat. They have always been a socialist-entitlement and compulsory. What do the children risk in these schools? They risk learning to be comfortable with socialism and government compulsion.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was not an accident. All it took was one to three generations of socialist-entitlment and compulsory schooling.

Re: GW’s endowment for schooling

Perhaps if socialist-entitlement schools had not been instituted **private** education endowments would now be providing tuition-free **private** schooling for our nation's children.

39 posted on 07/08/2012 8:28:00 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
No only vouchers. Finland has very high requirements for entry into teaching and its training standards are much higher. Teacher education is much neglected this country. Which is one reason why many with a teaching degree never do and why many leave after five years or so. Students in teacher colleges have relatively low SAT scores and take too few academic courses. Much of their college career is taken up with vacuous education classes and they acquire little taste for books and further learning. A famous statistic is that the average teacher reads but one book a year unrelated to their jobs, that the master’s decree courses are generally lacking in substance.
40 posted on 07/08/2012 8:37:30 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime
How many of the nation’s founders had their pre-college education in England?

Pre-college? I think making the 3000 mile 3-4 week trek was mostly reserved for college years or the whole educational she-bang.

Here are some Declaration signers educated in Europe... most were sent, but some just were born and raised. Looks like more of the Southerners were sent to European educations than Northerners:

Francis Lewis, NY delegate, educated in Scotland and England before coming to America.

That's 11 out of 56 signers. John Witherspoon, NJ delegate, educated at U of Edinburgh.

James Wilson, PA delegate.

Charles Carroll, MD, school in France, then law school in England.

William Paca, MD, London.

Richard Henry Lee, VA, sent to England for his education.

Thomas Nelson, VA, sent to England...

Thomas Lynch, SC, sent to London...

Arthur Middleton, SC, sent to London..

Thomas Heyward, SC, sent to London...

Edward Rutledge, SC, sent to London...

41 posted on 07/08/2012 8:58:30 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: C210N
All of the Founding Fathers received their pre-college education here in the colonies. It is likely that when they were speaking of education of the young, they had their **own** educations’ in mind. They would likely be HORRIFIED to see how we warehouse our nation's children in prison-like structures and in many ways treat them like prisoners.

So....What types of education did our Founding Fathers enjoy?

— homeschooling
— private tutoring
— one room schooling organized by the parents
—dame schools in the homes of trust neighbors
—apprenticeships
— an “academies” in the homes of respected tutors to prepare the wealthy for entrance into college as young teens.

The next time you pass a government school, please ask, “Does that look like a minimum security prison?”

The next time you see a school bus, please ask, “Does that look like prison work gang transport?”

The next time you see children waiting at a school bus stop, please ask, “Do those children look like day laborers soliciting work?”

42 posted on 07/09/2012 5:31:17 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: RobbyS
Finland has very high requirements for entry into teaching and its training standards are much higher.
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The SAT and ACT scores of all government teachers should be posted online for all to see.

All government teachers should be required to take the GED for high school drop outs every four years. Most would fail the math section. The dismal scores of those who do pass should be posted online for all to see.

43 posted on 07/09/2012 5:35:04 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
The next time you see children waiting at a school bus stop, please ask, “Do those children look like day laborers soliciting work?”

Many, especially boys 12-and-up, would get more out of a day of manual labor than they do out of a day of school. And after spending their early teen years laying asphalt, cleaning bathrooms, or picking squash, they would be willing to spend their own earnings on education and work hard to acquire skills for more agreeable employment.

I recall that Booker T. Washington's Tuskegee Institute not only provided freedmen with a solid practical education, including some lab sciences, but also had them building and maintaining the school, growing food, doing tailoring and shoemaking, and all the necessities of survival.

Work is good for young people. A few are academically driven, but a majority, in my opinion, would benefit more from learning roofing or tailoring than they do from endless hours sitting about.

44 posted on 07/09/2012 9:52:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Moslem ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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To: Tax-chick

I completely agree with every word of your post.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 6:14:10 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I love it when that happens ;-).

They could even listen to college lectures on CD or iThingie while roofing or tailoring!


46 posted on 07/09/2012 6:22:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If I had two dead 'rats, I'd give you one.)
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To: wintertime

“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”—Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”—Josef Stalin

“The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.”—Karl Marx

“The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all: it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.”
H.L. Mencken

“And what is a good citizen? Simply one who never says, does or thinks anything that is unusual. Schools are maintained in order to bring this uniformity up to the highest possible point. A school is a hopper into which children are heaved while they are still young and tender; therein they are pressed into certain standard shapes and covered from head to heels with official rubber-stamps.”
H.L. Mencken


47 posted on 07/09/2012 6:32:45 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Zakeet

LOL! Is that sign supposed to read Unions ARE My Cup of Tea”? If she’s a teacher, she should be ashamed, but something tells me she wouldn’t be.


48 posted on 07/09/2012 8:30:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Bigg Red; SuziQ

Is that a teacher holding that semi-literate sign?

The picture was taken during the occupation of the Wisconsin legislature by the teachers' unions. Given her appearance, attitude, demeanor, and the nature of the event, it's entirely logical to assume that ... yes ... that babe is a teechure.

49 posted on 07/09/2012 9:33:25 PM PDT by Zakeet (Like Barack said, "We can't be broke cause we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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