Skip to comments.The Issue of 2012: The people will judge in November. (Obamacare)
Posted on 07/08/2012 6:02:07 PM PDT by neverdem
Conservatives are engaged in an interesting intramural debate over National Federation of Independent Business, et al. v. Sebeliusthe Obama-care case. But whether they think Chief Justice Roberts deserves hearty praise or contemptuous blame or any of the countless permutations in between, whether they love the Obama-care ruling or hate it, heres the key short-term fact: Conservatives are now set up for a political triumph far sweeter than any contentious win in the courts. The path forward is clear, and conservatives can surely unite behind the indispensable next step: win this election, and repeal Obama-care through the political process.
And of course this wont be merely a short-term victory. Not only is Obama-care the most important issue in the upcoming election, its survival or repeal is crucial to the fate of freedom and prosperity in the decades to come.
The good news is that Obama-care is the issue that most benefits Mitt Romney. Seemingly sensing his weakness on this crucial point, President Obama has tried to suggest to the American people that the matter is no longer theirs to decide. With no shortage of hubris, he declared a week after the ruling that the law I passednote the first personis here to stay. When asked a few days earlier by Chris Wallace whether Obama-care must clear another hurdle in the November election (which of course it must), the presidents chief of staff Jack Lew replied, You know, Chris, one thing thats great about our system is that when the Supreme Court rules, we have a final answer.
But the Court explicitly reaffirms in its opinion that policy judgments . . . are entrusted to our Nations elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It also declares that, when it comes to the wisdom of Obama-care, that judgment is reserved to the people.
The people will have their chance to render that judgment on November 6, as Romney should repeatedly remind them. The evidence strongly suggests that it wont favor Obamas signature legislationor Obama. In 99 consecutive polls, Rasmussen Reports has found that likely voters favor the repeal of Obama-care. In 37 consecutive polls (dating back to spring 2011), likely voters have favored repeal by double-digit margins. A CNN poll taken after the Obama-care ruling shows that voters in battleground states favor repealing Obama-care by a margin of 60 to 38 percent. The CNN poll also shows that, nationwide, independents support repeal even more than voters as a whole doand it shows that repeal is favored in every region but the Northeast, and by a 19-point margin (59 to 40 percent) in the all-important Midwest.
But its not just that voters want repeal; they also regard health care as Obamas weakest suit. A Newsweek/Daily Beast poll taken after the Courts ruling asked likely voters how they rate Obama on five central issues. Voters gave Obama by far his worst ratings on health care. They gave him middling net approval ratings of -2 points on the economy (47 percent approved and 49 percent disapproved) and -6 points on creating jobs (46 to 52 percent). On health care, they gave him an abysmal net approval rating of -21 points (37 to 58 percent). (Obamas second-worst rating was on the federal budget deficit, -10 points, 44 to 54 percent.)
All of this is a reminder that Republicans didnt win 63 House seats in 2010 by running mostly on the economy. Exit polling showed that voters then blamed both Bush and Wall Street more on that point than they blamed Obama. Republicans won because they ran against Obama-care and everything it represents: big government, big deficits, lousy health care, politicized everything, and a loss of liberty.
Two years later, the politics and circumstances look remarkably similar. Polls continue to show that voters ascribe more of the blame for the economy to Bush than to Obama. The economy isnt noticeably better, and it isnt noticeably worse. The issue on which Obama is most vulnerable continues to be the issue that he has made the centerpiece of his presidencybut which he would now like no one, least of all his opponent, to talk about.
The American people knew what this election was about even before the Supreme Court drove the point home for them. Its a referendum on Obama-care, and hence on two distinctly different visions for Americas futureone being a vision of liberty and prosperity, the other being a vision of coercion and decline. The more Romney emphasizes thisthe more powerfully he highlights Obama-cares staggering faults and offers up a vision of real reformthe more likely he is to reach the White House.
Since I’m not very happy with our nominee, I’ve started looking at November as Americans (R) vs. the freeriding, freeloaders (D). It’s working out great so far.
What if...... “the People”.... are corrupt?..
And the givernment is exactly a mirror of the people...
Can the people(generally) become corrupted?..
A question never or almost never asked...
You know like the soviets boasted they would do to America and the western world.. and it seems like they probably did..
But Robert's ruling still stands.
Which is perfectly fine, because we can trust Republicans.
Because they're not, like, politicians or anything, right? And it's not like the Rats will ever get back into office again. Right?
Roberts offered America instructions on how to pull the ripcord on the parachute. But he can't pull the ripcord for us.
And we're not in the plane anymore, Toto...
I'm 60. Maybe not in the White House in my lifetime. They are hemorrhaging working class whites. That's the soul of their party.
P.S. If we keep the House, which is almost a sure bet, and take the Senate and the White House, the next thing to do after repealing Obamacare is repeal the hate whitey Immigration Act of 1965. It makes no sense witth the Great Recession still going strong.
I’m not just judging Obamacare, I’m judging his total failure as a president and human being. He has apologized for America, tanked the economy, strangled our military, and shoved obamacare down our throats.
He is a corrupt socialist liar who puts his needs above the American people. He is selfish, egotistical, arrogant and would serve himself better if he went back to being a community organizer....uh...maybe not, he failed at that too.
“The Issue of 2012: The people will judge in November. (Obamacare)”
How did those same people “judge” back in 2008?
Should that give me reason for optimism?
A few months ago, the idea that the Supreme Court would hand dictatorial powers to the government was laughable to me. Now, after what happened with Obamacare, I’m not so confident on the election.
Should that give me reason for optimism?
According to stories about exit poll results, especially the one posted by me, imdependents and/or moderates swung against the GOP in 2006 and 2008. In 2010, they swung back against the rats with a vengance. In all of the current polling, indies don't like Obamacare.
This year, my bet is about 60 percent of them vote against Obama. It varies by state a lot, but nationally, indies average close to 40 percent of the electorate. I'll try to post the exit pol under 2012exitpoll because I think the hate whitey party should go down in a landslide, IMHO.
Our system is efficient in the sense that elected officials generally reflect the values of the population at large. Or the lowest common denominator. So I guess you can make the argument that the political class is merely a reflection of the corrupt state of society at large.
But the devil is in the details. A lot of what your values are depend on where you live. Obviously, the culture and values in NYC are a lot different from those in say Alabama. That’s part of the reason why I think in the medium to long term, a political divorce is coming.
” - - - Republicans won because they ran against Obama-care and everything it represents: big government, big deficits, lousy health care, politicized everything, and a loss of liberty.”
Yes, but let’s say that the dems go down in much deserved defeat. Then what? The gop might, and I emphasize the word MIGHT, reverse some of the worst excesses of the current regime. But then what? We all know they’ll be back in the not too distant future. Are we to perpetually have to deal with 4 to 8 years of socialist excess followed by a few years of mild correction....if we’re lucky?
We all need to pray AND fast............alot!
In comment# 7 I wrote, "I'm 60. Maybe not in the White House in my lifetime. They are hemorrhaging working class whites. That's the soul of their party.
"P.S. If we keep the House, which is almost a sure bet, and take the Senate and the White House, the next thing to do after repealing Obamacare is repeal the hate whitey Immigration Act of 1965. It makes no sense witth the Great Recession still going strong."
It's no mystery why the rats are hemorrhaging working class whites. Obama has said he wants expensive energy. He's trying to kill energy from coal, oil and natural gas. He can kiss most of the working class whites and Jacksonian Democrats goodbye.
The dems may be losing working class whites....but in the not so distant future, anglos will be in the minority.
In any case, I’ve come to view federal politics as a game of political three card monte. And we’re the suckers. Change, to the extent there is any, will be driven by actions or inactions at the state and local level.
According to Limbaugh, the Democrats got rid of the working class Whites In the planning stages of their 2012 campaign. He mentioned it sometime in 2011. The problem is that the working class Whites have not gotten rid of the Democrat Party. Like the abused spouse, they tuck their tails between their legs and come cowering each election day to vote for them. It works the same way with the Blacks.
Nothing is inevetable. Immigration laws can change. More Mexicans are going back to Mexico, i.e. self deporting, than coming here now. Mexico's GDP is growing at 5 percent per year, IIRC.
We have a glut of unskilled labor.
LOL! The dems could sure learn something from the gop about treating their constituencies like battered wives. To wit, the treatment of conservatives by the gop.
In any case, I think that the dems are refining their strategy to exclude the working middle class. The exclusion being of those who work more than those who are middle class. I also don’t think that from our (conservative) perspective it much matters. Federal politics is a rigged game.
Yes, our immigration laws could change. Its not very likely, though. The gop-e and dem-e both favor relatively unrestricted immigration.
With the dem-e abandoning working class whites, who are they going to vote for? The vast majority are rats because their parents were. Once they join the GOP, the GOPe will have to change or be voted out of office. The Great Recession won't be over any time soon. Recessions due to financial crises from bad debt take a long time to unwind all that leverage. Look at the Great Depression. Unemployment was almost 20 percent before World War II.
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