Skip to comments.Civil Disobedience: Dallas Gay Couple Arrested after being denied marriage license
Posted on 07/09/2012 7:24:54 AM PDT by scottjewell
An image that could easily be mistaken for coming out of St. Petersburg, Russia has emerged from Dallas, Texas, where a couple was arrested for attempting to obtain a marriage license. Details follow.
Mark "Major" Jiminez and Beau Chandler were lead out of the Dallas County Clerk's Office on Thursday in handcuffs. The couple applied for a marriage license and refused to leave the office after being denied based on their sexual orientation.
The Dallas Voice reports:
Once in the license bureau on Thursday afternoon, Chandler and Jiminez filled out the paperwork. Chandler crossed out the word bride and wrote not applicable.
Before being called to the counter, the couple sat waiting next to a straight couple also applying for a license. Jiminez explained to them why they were there, and the couple wished them luck.
God bless you, Regina Johnson said to Jiminez and Chandler. Good luck. Youre in our prayers.
Clerks assistant Melinda Saavedra called Jiminez and Chandler and asked for their IDs. She checked to make sure one wasnt there as a proxy.
We pointed out subsection B that invalidates all marriages, Chandler said. He was referring to the constitutional amendment that bans same-sex marriage in Texas. She got teary-eyed when I said we love each other and want to get married.
The couple then handcuffed themselves to each other and took a seat on the floor of the office where the reminded journalists about the many rights heterosexual couples receive with marriage that are denied to same-sex couples.
"This is about not being treated equal," Jiminez told reporters on hand.
The couple was then lead out of the office by police and arrested.
While the exact charges the men face are unclear, if prosecuted for criminal trespassing they risk 180 days in jail and a hefty fine.
(Source, video and image: Dallas Voice)
I have no doubt in my mind that this is an orchestrated strategic campaign which will be aped by many in the months to come.
I don’t think they were denied a marriage license on the basis of their sexual orientation, but rather because they were both men.
If a lesbian and a male homosexual had turned up wanting to marry each other for whatever reason, say so she could get on his health care coverage or vice-versa, Texas would surely have let them wed.
This is the equivalent of a ten year old going to the DMV and demanding a license. Your request is not within the limits of the law. If you don’t like the limits of the law, go to the legislature and get it changed, put pressure on your representatives to change it. This is how laws are amended and repealed in a republic, the same way they were made.
According to the story, they put the handcuffs on themselves. When you first read it it sounds like the police must have handcuffed them - journalistic "lying by omission".
they were not denied because of their personal sex fetish behaivior. They were denied because of genetics.
I bet this was a tresspass arrest.
whatever organization set this up should also be charged.
Who are you and why do you post this crap here?
They were not denied based on "sexual" orientation. If either one of them had brought along a willing bride as required by Texas law then they could have been married. It's that simple. Any adult may get married in the USA, including homosexuals, they just have to follow the law.
Excellent comments, all; and what is so INFURIATING about this very strategic and carefully crafted photo and press opportunity, is that it will in fact tug at the heart strings and “sense of decency” of many dim witted Americans, who cannot think for themselves and have never heard of a con job.
Yes, similar to a 10 year old - or how about a 95 year old partially blind person - demanding their “right” to a driver’s license, and then being led out of DMV by police.
I find the culture war over same sex marriage and the latter’s agenda to be extremely relevant and important to the cultural and social direction of this nation. My purview sees effects for youth and coming generations, and for the damage which can be done on a far broader level, with its far reaching implications, and consequences which are not easily undone. I think social conservatism will still do much in the coming years regarding change and reversal. Or do you think its not an important issue, or that ignoring it is the best response?
But to liberals, laws are NOT made that way. To liberals, any law or policy they consider unjust should be changed because, well, just because.
What sort of babble are you peddling. You post some non-story, printed in a queer publication and that’s supposed to somehow elevate discourse?
They were not arrested for “trying to get a marriage license”, they were arrested for criminal trespass after they handcuffed THEMSELVES to the chairs and refused to leave.
I hope they serve the full 180 days
I believe that most States have laws against interfering with official business. That & a disorderly conduct charge would be the most likely way that this silliness would be handled in Ohio.
See, for more on the subject, Cloud Dancing Revisited.
If this was merely an isolated case of two very, very mixed up individuals making a delusional statement, it would indeed by a "non-story." But placed into the context of what is going on all over the Western World, it is something quite different.
“...a couple was arrested for attempting to obtain a marriage license.”
Not true. They were arrested for their disorderly conduct after their unlawful petition was politely denied.
I do not believe it is a “non story”; I think it is a tendency or trending development: It is to be taken within the broader context of other stories posted. And yes, queer publications are often the best place to look for stories which pertain to the same sex marriage agenda. As a writer I receive new stories from subscriptions from far right, conservative, Christian, Libertarian, neo-conservative, liberal, and gay publications on my news feed as a matter of course.
Yes, the point is to facilitate discourse, which it has in fact done. If you find it meaningless, then simply ignore it.
“Pointing out examples of the breakdown, not only in social values, but even in the perception of what is acceptable or rational discourse, is significant in encouraging analytic thought. Frankly, if nothing else, this illustrates what I have referred to as a “spreading contagion” from the Leftist propensity to pursue cloud or airborne wish lists.
See, for more on the subject, Cloud Dancing Revisited.
If this was merely an isolated case of two very, very mixed up individuals making a delusional statement, it would indeed by a “non-story.” But placed into the context of what is going on all over the Western World, it is something quite different.
Thank you for that, William; I have gone to that link in the past and find the writings extremely informative and provocative. I agree that to ignore this agenda and its social implications is to remain willfully blind and willfully uninformed.
If you paid attention to my own feedback and to the remarks of others, the point of posting this piece is to make social conservatives aware of what strategies the homosexual agenda is using, and how they are effecting the general culture. Not exactly meaningless, and I think this forum is certainly a place for such.
“Not true. They were arrested for their disorderly conduct after their unlawful petition was politely denied.”
Excellent observation, excellently stated.
Not just angry, but shrewd and stealthy and on a public mission to sway media and public opinion.
Yes, that is my point: We ignore this sort of tactic at our own peril, because it has in fact been extremely effective in swaying a large part of the population. The story about Google’s massive global pro-same sex marriage campaign attests to the fact that sheer force of numbers continues to be at work here.
Moreover, this piece did appear in other publications, notwithstanding that I was directed to it via a gay publication. To take information only from one’s own side is to come up short much of the time. Peter LeBarbara of AFTAH (Americans for Truth About Homosexuality) has come up with some of his best commentary pieces by trawling through the most radical pro-gay publications.
In any case, I expect what this couple did in Dallas to become “all the rage” with gay couples who are bent on pushing same sex marriage through “by any means necessary.”
Pic and play on words muchly appreciated. ;)
The “civil disobedience” tactic employed here - no matter how phony or transparent - is dangerous precisely because it has such deep roots in the American tradition. Something to be on guard about, certainly.
I thought it was Nathan Bedford, but search shows it's wku man who appends "Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!" to all his posts.
What the hell does that mean if not "Go out and engage the enemy!?!?"
Is FR supposed to be a campfire where we all sit around and bury our heads in the sand? (Sorry for the mixed metaphor.)
Zen question: Which is louder - the FR echo chamber or the sound of one hand zotting?
Dallas was on the top ten list of gay cities a couple days ago.
Important point, beautifully and eloquently made. Thanks muchly.
Yes, the list of top gay cities grows ever... and they have their eyes on the suburban and rural areas too. Their master plan has been nothing if not successful.
@ old school:
it seems that because the piece as written including headline and text was from a very decidedly PRO-gay perspective, you assumed that I posted it in the same vein. But it is sometimes the most pro-gay pieces which need to be posted to those who will view them from a truer and more perceptive and critical perspective. (as are true of many Pro-Obama pieces which for that very reason belong here for examination and criticizing). On FR, it is not the pieces which are posted but rather the discourse, reaction and feedback which follow which are important.
The bigger problem are the so-called "Christians" like this.
“The bigger problem are the so-called “Christians” like this.”
You said it, brother - and this is exactly the sort of “Christian” mercy and tenderness which gay advocates are banking on when they very strategically orchestrate events such as this arrest in Dallas.
Further proof that this is a part of a bigger plan, from the Daily Kos’ coverage of the incident:
“These arrests could be the first step in a lawsuit in the Lone Star State to achieve marriage equality for all citizens of Texas, or at the very least get Texas’ very poorly worded and highly unconstitutional anti-marriage amendment struck down.”
This forum has the potential to be a profound influence on America's political culture. It can only fulfill that potential if it lives its conservatism as well as preaches it. That means that we must never be afraid to confront liberal ideas with real conservative principles.
Every time we veer off onto a jihad of ZOT we are effectively telling the world we are afraid to contest liberal lies with our conservative principles. We must never duck the contest of ideas.
One can only hope that we have learned something from our recent experience.
Yes, as you are aware, you have the wrong poster, my handle says:
"Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey
Bravo, and twice over.
Sir or Madame, I fear that it's attitudes like yours that have lead us to this world-wide vile situation. "Who cares? What business is this of ours? I know nice gays and you're just a hater. Why post this drivel? Aren't there more important things to talk about?"
Many “old schoolers” understand and even some of us “new schoolers” do as well. A bunch of “old schoolers” let this happen by sticking their collective heads in the sand, ignoring the free-love movement, militant feminism, codified political correctness, institutionalized misandry/misogyny/heterophobia, no-fault divorces, drive-through quickie marriages, the government being the daddy for millions of children born out-of-wedlock or abandoned by their parents, homo-adoptions and civil unions/same-sex "marriage".
It's going to get worse. Legalized polygamy? Lowering the sexual age of consent to 12? It's coming and more.
This world hasn't hit bottom yet, but we have to at least be informed and try to fight cultural decay.
It's a darned shame that so many on this site don't care about social issues. Money, money, money is what many people are concerned about, yet who can blame them with this terrible economy? But some Freepers do get it right on issues of constitutional liberties and the like, and this is one of those important issues!
It's just unfortunate that threads on say, abortion, rarely gather more than 50 posts, but put up an article on Danica Patrick or some young, hot teacher banging a 15 year old, and posts run into the hundreds.
Ever since Mary Cheney's "immaculate conceptions" and her phony marriage to an older woman who groomed her from youth, a lot of Freepers shrugged and posted nary a word. Most just said, "I'm so happy for them. Oh bless them, they're so wealthy, their kids will be fine. And besides, with the great Dick Cheney as a father figure the kids will be all right."
It's obvious where the wind blows on this issue. People don't care because as long as it doesn't affect them personally, what the big deal?
My dad's youngest brother destroyed his life through homosexuality, left his family and children, engaged in casual sex, died of AIDS and broke his poor mother's heart, for she loved him dearly as he was her baby boy. Is that what people want for their loved ones? But hey, legalizing same-sex marriage will get rid of all those problems, of course, so why worry?
This issue affects everyone. Politically from hate crime laws to adoptions to taxation, to reorganizing the military, to Human Rights Tribunals, to forcing religious institutions to contradict their beliefs, to brainwashing young children into believing sex is not concrete but fluid "gender", to sexual abuse of youth, to re-creating society as we know it.
But hey, it's just crap to you. Thanks scottjewell for posting this.
And thank you very kindly, for a forceful and well-executed defense of social conservatism. God bless you for caring as you do.
“mission to sway media and public opinion.”
When perverted homosexuals can reproduce. Then they will be equal to heterosexuals! Even one cell organisms can reproduce. Yet nature made it impossible for perverted homosexuals to reproduce. So let the perverts get angry!