Skip to comments.What constitutes suspicious activity?
Posted on 07/09/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by LibWhacker
Hi... Sorry to post this here but something strange just happened and I need some Freeper advice.
I was sitting at the computer about 7:15AM this morning reading FreeRepublic when the doorbell rang. Really? At 7:15AM? Most likely, it could only be one of two things. My friends and relatives wouldn't show up unannounced at that hour. It had to be those skinny religious dudes in white shirts and black ties, or... Our house was being cased!
From our master bedroom, I hear my wife asking, "Who is it?" Don't know, I tell her, pausing, straining to hear. Then the doorbell rings again, this time four or five times, rapidly, impatiently.
Okay, gotta see who it is now. I get up and approach the front door. Through the little frosted pane on the inner door I see a large, very dark shadow, looming, shifting from side to side, with the head almost pressed up against the outer security gate, trying to peer inside. Dammit, I'm an idiot for not grabbing my gun!
I open the door and there standing before me is this skinny black guy with dreadlocks, in his late teens. He's got on a dark stretchy psychedelic t-shirt and both of his arms are inside the shirt, out of view. But you can see they are moving around a lot inside the shirt, wrapped around his thin frame. Like he's simultaneously hugging himself and scratching himself all over at the same time. Holy crap, that's weird right there. I can't see his hands. Does he have a gun?
"Is JAZZmeen home?"
Jasmine? Do I look like I have a daughter named Jasmine? Or Shemika? Or Qwanisha? NO! Maybe Amber or Victoria. JAZZmeen ain't happening. Ridiculous even to ask, and he'd know that if he wasn't on drugs and stupid.
"No, you've got the wrong address."
He turns and goes. I go to the side window and look out. He's with another tall skinny black guy now. They don't stop at my neighbor's house, but walk to the corner, turn right and disappear from view.
Okay, what should I have done? The police say you should report suspicious activity. But what did I see? Some guy rang my doorbell at seven o'clock in the morning. Okay, maybe he was an itchy crack addict in dreadlocks. But so what?
OTOH, I KNOW we were being cased and by not reporting it I may have contributed to one of my neighbors getting ripped off, or worse.
So here I sit, with my 1911 locked and loaded one foot from my right hand, wondering... should you report something like that as being "suspicious?"
Suspicious.......Yes, Illegal.........No. Keep your eyes open and your gun handy.
...or he is just an innocent guy who was coming by to give his friend a ride to work and got the wrong house.
Maybe someone going around the ‘hood collecting used lead for recycling?
they were walking the neighborhood probably ringing bells to see who works and who is at home. Thank the lord mostly people always at home where I live.
That being said, why o earth did you open up? Just say “what?” through the glass to someone you don’t know or aren’t expecting.
I’m sure you already know this, but next time you answer your door, do it w/ gun in hand......with a bellowing WTF do you want?
Also, I would contact my neighbors and tell them what happened.
I’d report it. And not because of the weirdo’s race.
It is totally out of the ordinary for a stranger to ring your bell at 7:15 am. His behavior with his shirt/arms is also weird. Suppose you had been a frail old lady or a young mom at home and answered the door?
Also, it is obvious they were not looking for “Jasmine.”
Your report may help them to get a description going if any burglaries or worse occur in the area.
then why did he ask for Jasmine, genius
YES! The police are good for a few things and this is one of them.
They can patrol and find these two, ask them who & where this “Jasmin” person is, her last name, her purported address, and otherwise collect ID and run a warrants check.
If correct answers are not forthcoming I think things would get a bit edgy right there
Because that was the person he was looking for to give a ride to, genius.
The old ploy goes something like this: They ring the doorbell to make sure nobody is home. If someone answers, they ask if someone is home. You say the person doesn’t live there and they leave. But if nobody answers they break in and rob you.
MarkTwain has posted a lot of articles about armed people who don’t answer the door and then when thy guys break in they get shot and/or killed.
considering that they *walked* away I consider that rather unlikely...
He should have never opened the door completely to talk to a stranger. He could have been rushed, robbed, or worse. It was most likely a test run to see if anyone was home, before a break-in ensued. Many people go to work early. Letting the neighbors know what is going on and putting in a call to the police are prudent things to do.
another GUY met up with him
you are kookoo
Sadly, I can’t advise you on that except to recommend you install a perimeter fence and a lock so no one can come ring your doorbell ever again.
For the last 10 years I haven’t lived where anyone could approach the front door. We also have large dogs (XTRA LARGE GREAT DANES) and a yappy little hound mutt to bark like nuts if someone even tries the gate.
Any area that is open to public to walk up to, is too easy a target. 1911 aside, that is a later layer of defense of the home in this day and age.
Next time it happens, don’t answer the door but go down with your 1911 aimed at the door. When they break in, ensure they never come back.
oh, AND THEY WERE WLAKING
sheesh, wouldn’t want to rely on you for anything
Standard Operating Procedure for me and my wife.
Good point. Yeah, I always worry about doing that. But I figure if he's going to shoot me, he can do it through the closed door as easily as through the open door. The outer door is a heavy wrought iron security gate. I didn't open that one.
LOL, I should’ve.
It certainly does look suspicious and they were probably up to no good.
I guess it is possible they were looking for Jasmine but I would guess not.
we get people sometimes, police included. I always say “what” through the glass, and if the police want to talk about something I say just a minute and go out the back to meet them in the front. If it’s someone selling magazines or whatever I just say no. I have kids who I have modeled this for and they think I am embarrassing or mean, but at least they don’t open the door for some fool they don’t know
I’m so sorry I didn’t do that now. Next time. Been here 20 years and this kind of thing has only happened twice. Both times it really creeped me out.
You should have shot him and told police he attacked you.
Had that happen to me once. Figured the guy was casing as well. So when he asked for “Jasmine” or whoever, I changed the name up on on him. I said “Are you sure you have the right address? Where does Yolanda live, maybe I can point you to the right house. Or just tell me the address you are looking for.” He basicly said no thanks and turned to leave. I told him that I would be happy to go down to my friends house who was a deputy - I’m sure that he would know where their address was located or at the very least I could go down to the neighborhood watch block captain and he would know.
Of course the guy passed and got into his car and left the neigborhood rather quickly.
Maybe Jasmine was the friend?
I like that idea. A lot.
I like that, the deputy..lol
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I always carry a loaded 1911 to the front door when answering the doorbell. It don’t care if it’s a preacher or the mailman.
Years ago, at about 11:30 PM I was awakened by the door bell. There were four boys there outside asking if my daughter was there....boy, I’ll tell you I screamed so many obscenities and told them if I opened the door, they’d better be outrunning some lead. I then told them to “get the f@ck out of my yard” Had the 1911, had the mad and I would have shot someone at the first sign of trouble.
I quizzed my daughter - didn’t know them, so she said. I told her one or more would get dead if they did it again.
Months later I woke up on a Saturday morning. Driveway (500 feet long) was TP’d up in the trees in the first 200 ft from the road. They didn’t dare try it where I could see them.
you are kookoo too
HE WAS WALKING
Riiight, and he and his black male friend parked down the street and around the corner.
He could have invited him in, then shot him.
"Crazy" Joe Devola (Seinfeld) said he never locked his doors - liked to "encourage" intruders....
My neighbors tell me that when this house was new, burglars used a pickup truck as a battering ram to crash through the front door. So the owner had that gate installed and it’s a pretty amazing one.
I’ve always wanted security cameras. I just can’t find the right brand/model that would both fit in the tight space at the front of the house and not be easy to steal. I guess I should call in some professionals to do the job.
Police don’t need even mere suspicion to initiate a consensual stop. It’s just “hey there, how’s it going?”
If he says “fine, thanks” and keeps walking, then you just hang out and watch him. If he takes off running, then you chase him down and detain him (Illinois v. Wardlow).
one time some cops knocked on the door looking for some girl that THEY SAID my son knew.
I don’t open the door for police without a warrant (not that they have ever come with a warrant) But I know, from my work, that cops can stick their foot in the door etc and that cops are dangerous. If they are going to shoot me on MY OWN PROPERTY FOR WALKING OUT MY OWN BACK DOOR, fine, at least my kids are safe inside and I would gladly give my life to protect my kids anyway.
I said what through the glass, they said they wanted to talk to my son, I said I would be there in a minute and went around. Sure enough, there was another one lurking by the hedge where you couldn’t see him. I spoke with them, asked if he had a card, said I would talk with my son and if we had anything to tell them, we would call.
I live in a neighborhood with a well funded police dept and nothing for them to do so they get excited and hepped up about the slightest thing.
The other day, my kid’s friend parked on the circle above our house and cut down the back yard to visit my kid. Well, the neighbor got all excited and called the police. The police came walking down the yard and said hey guys and the kids said hey and came inside and shut the door.
I mean, they are dangerous and have nothing to do here. I want no law enforcement contact. We make darn sure our cars are in perfect repair and follow all traffic rules. The police are on steroids and shouldn’t be called unless you want someone arrested or beat.
If someone knocks on my door and I don’t know who it is.....I don’t open it.
I have a sign by my door that says:
Our S-10 truck is not for sale
We mow our own yard
We do not buy anything from anyone who knocks on our door
We don’t wish to list our house with a realtor
We’re not converting to another Religious Denomination
Gues I need to add:
We don’t know anyone named Jasmine
Also, if someone I don’t know still knocks, I open the door with my left hand, while holding object with Hornady Critical Defense in my right. That object is obscured from sight by the partially open door.
I live in a mid size Texas Town, yet the other day, a teen, home alone, heard someone open the front door, and walk into the living room. When he went to investigate, he got shot in the leg by a stranger who must’ve been checking houses for unlocked doors to rob them.
LOL, that was the first thing that occurred to me. I could’ve grabbed my gun, jumped in my pickup and followed them through the neighborhood while putting in a call to the cops. Then I remembered George Zimmerman. FreeRepublic could’ve had it’s own Trayvon Martin case!
If they’re giving Zimmerman a hard time, can you imagine what they’d do to a California Freeper? They’d roast me alive. Even if it was self-defense and I had a dozen witnesses.
I didn’t get the idea he wanted to commit a murder, he wanted to say that there were people casing the neighborhood. What is your problem
Rule #1: Do not talk to the police without your lawyer present.
Rule #2: Never lie to the police. Because your lie WILL be exposed, sooner or later.
Last time I did that, it was a county Sheriff Deputy telling me someone had run over my mailbox. I "excused" myself by telling her that I needed to put pants on.
“You should have shot him and told police he attacked you.”
Understand these people are NOT looking to shoot anyone. they don’t want burglars casing their neighborhoods pretending to look for “Jazmine”.
You are a freak. What is your problem. How would you have handled it?