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If Not Now . . .
Red State ^ | Monday July 9, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/09/2012 9:13:14 AM PDT by Bigtigermike

Despite making clear that I was not advocating a third party, but rather recognizing that one will spring up if the Republican leadership does not pay attention to the state of its own party, many not only assumed wrongly my advocacy, but resorted to the worn out argument of the Republican leaders over several generations — we must fight the Democrats first” or the variant “the top priority is beating Barack Obama.”

The problem with this argument is it never ends. How many more trillion dollars must we add to the national debt before the “wait and focus on the other side first” crowd wakes up to what they have enabled?

When George Bush decided to pass Ted Kennedy’s No Child Left Behind plan as his own, conservatives were told they needed to rally and help the President, given his victory while losing the popular vote. We needed unity.

After steel tariffs for Pennsylvania, “hush,” we were told because we were trying to set the stage for a re-election.

Then came the prescription drug benefit and we better not challenge the President because … 9/11 … patriotism … build the party.

He nominated Harriet Miers and more than half the conservative establishment beclowned themselves standing with him.

Then came immigration reform and those who disagreed from the right were racists. Solidarity!

TARP . . . the General Motors bailout . . . still Republicans told Republicans we couldn’t hold our own side accountable because we needed to fight the left “and oh my goodness litmus tests!!!!!”

Earmarks? “Litmus tests!!!!” and “pshaw, they’re just a little teeny-tiny piece of the budget.”

That was some time around $10 trillion in national debt.

Then the GOP began cutting deals with Barack Obama. “Trust them,” others said, “they have a plan.” The tea party led them to victory and the tea party congressmen started voting just like their leadership. The debt ceiling increased, spending expanded, Pledge to Nowhere pledges were breached, and still we hear “we have to fight the other side first.”

And then there was the Senate variant, “Oh Mitch McConnell had to do that or else Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins and . . . and . . . and . . .”

Friends, at what point do we hold our side accountable? $20 trillion in debt? $50 trillion in debt? Contrary to what some of you want to think, it was not the Democrats who got us to $16 trillion in national debt. It was bipartisan. Some of it legitimate, much of it not, and all to the tune of “let’s focus on the Democrats instead. They’re the real bad guys here.”

The leaders of the GOP give lip service to smaller government but just last week shut down legitimate private businesses to feed the leviathan more tax revenue. Republicans in the House of Representatives are now urging candidates not to sign the ATR tax pledge and Republicans in the Senate are cutting deals that will boost revenue because — deficits. And still they add to the debt.

So if not now, when? Not until we’re all speaking Chinese apparently.

If the conservative movement cannot fight on two fronts, we’re screwed. But some of you will be okay with that as long as its an elephant and not a donkey screwing you.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gopelites; obama; romney; teaparty
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To: Lady Lucky
Are you saying ABR, that is, anyone but Romney?

21 posted on 07/09/2012 10:58:50 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Bigtigermike
So if not now, when? Not until we’re all speaking Chinese apparently.

Actually we're all speaking Greek....
22 posted on 07/09/2012 11:04:13 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Tau Food
Regardless of what you do or don't do either Obama or Romney will be the next POTUS. Who do you prefer it is?

It' a simple and direct question, please don't change its premise.


23 posted on 07/09/2012 11:06:08 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: I see my hands

Neither.


24 posted on 07/09/2012 11:09:40 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Bigtigermike

The GOP-e knows where the power now lies, and they will do anything it takes to share in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxveOb00LaA

We’ve been played, Romney as the nominee and how that was forced on us is all the evidence required to understand this truth.

Obama was not elected a dictator. He was handed everything needed to assume that role by the generous help of those who gave us Romney. The very ones in leadership that somehow a majority of people think is our only salvation to stop Obama.

They’re working together people - the GOP-e AND Obama. The Ruling Class knows where the power is going to lie when this MarxoFascist coup is completed, and they will do - and are doing everything needed to share in it.

You and me - duped into continuing to play their game in order to deceive ourselves from looking at what time it really is.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 11:25:10 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tau Food
Don't be a liar nor pretend to be that stupid.

Regardless of what you do or don't do either Obama or Romney will be the next POTUS. Who do you prefer it is?

It' a simple and direct question, please don't change its premise.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 11:26:21 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Bigtigermike
But some of you will be okay with that as long as its an elephant and not a donkey screwing you.

Yup. That's right.

A year from now after Obama's been reelected the same folks whining about Republicans will still be whining about the EPA run amok, Bammy bypassing the constitution, a complicit media, blah, blah, blah. He's right. It never ends. Some folks are just stuck on stupid.

27 posted on 07/09/2012 11:31:54 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Perdogg

This is what Mark Levin said about a third party last Tuesday,

Listen at the 1hr30min to 1hr43min mark

That’s why he’s the Great One....


28 posted on 07/09/2012 11:58:06 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: I see my hands

let’s rephrase this little question of yours...

do you back socialism?

do you support socialism?

simple questions, yes or no answer is all that is required.


29 posted on 07/09/2012 12:23:25 PM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Bigtigermike

You have to also win an election. If you can’t even find a candidate who can win in the Republican party I guess all you’re left with is a clean concience. Find a winner in the Republican party is still the best bet.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 12:29:29 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: joe fonebone
No. No. Now answer mine.

Don't give me a "then..." and tell me all the things that are wrong with Romney. I already know as does everyone on this board. You have no special knowledge. You have no unique insight.

Regardless of what you do or don't do either Obama or Romney will be the next POTUS. Who do you prefer it is?

It' a simple and direct question, please don't change its premise.


31 posted on 07/09/2012 12:45:00 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Perdogg
This woman actually was better than even Levin . She guest hosted on Hannity. Amazing monologue:

http://www.hannity.com/videos/?uri=channels/400391/1681628

32 posted on 07/09/2012 12:48:09 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Bigtigermike

Never.

Like the OWS crowd , we’d rather bitch about the status then create change.

We will never build a 3rd party.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 2:48:42 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: joe fonebone

Dole Rejects a Party Plank
August 24, 1996

Publicly repudiating a portion of his party’s platform for the first time since the Republican National Convention, Bob Dole told a convention of black journalists here today that he would not support a constitutional amendment to deny automatic citizenship for children who are born in this country to illegal immigrants.

Mr. Dole, who made no secret at the convention that he had not yet read the entire platform, implied today that he had now given it a more thorough review and did not like everything he saw, including the proposed immigration amendment.

‘’I have due respect for the platform,’’ Mr. Dole said. ‘’I read a lot of parts that I thought were essential. I approved of a lot of parts that I thought were essential. That was not one of them.’’

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/24/us/dole-rejects-a-party-plank.html


34 posted on 07/09/2012 2:53:16 PM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: I see my hands

OK... I’ll bite on your question..

If it is going to be either “A” or “B”, I choose “C”

None of the above

a legitimate answer to a legitimate question..

Now, do you support socialism, yes or no..


35 posted on 07/10/2012 4:19:06 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: I see my hands

OK... I’ll bite on your question..

If it is going to be either “A” or “B”, I choose “C”

None of the above

a legitimate answer to a legitimate question..


36 posted on 07/10/2012 4:19:27 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: joe fonebone
It will be Romney or Obama, there is no 'none of the above', fool.

37 posted on 07/10/2012 8:27:22 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: jessduntno
I created this graphic based on your assessment:

38 posted on 07/10/2012 9:01:23 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: I see my hands

I guess i have to yell...

I SUPPORT NEITHER ONE... I WILL NOT CAST MY BALLOT FOR A SOCIALIST, NOT NOW, NOT EVER... I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN WHAT LETTER COMES AFTER THEIR NAME.. SOCIALISM IS THE ENEMY OF THE REPUBLIC... IF YOU SUPPORT EITHER ONE YOU SUPPORT SOCIALISM... PERIOD..

now comes the part where you tell me your socialist is better than their socialist..

I am not a fool and do not appreciate the name calling.. now take your alinsky tactics elsewhere..


39 posted on 07/10/2012 9:20:30 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: joe fonebone
Not telling you who to vote for or whether to vote or not. I didn't even post to you, you insinuated yourself and asked me questions I answered.

Either Romney or Obama will be the next POTUS, who do you prefer it be?


40 posted on 07/10/2012 9:26:33 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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