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Maybe We Really Do Need a Third Party
Red State ^ | 7/9/2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/09/2012 1:20:40 PM PDT by IbJensen

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The entire political situation is sickening. The lack of intestinal fortitude on the part of the damned Repblicans is enough to make honest conservatives want to puke.

Mitch McConnell stands in front of the cameras and microphones to state that the 2,700 page death edict known as Obozocare is too big to bring down. I aave said before that firing every employee whose job it is to implement this garbage, tear out their phones, take away their cell phones, ipads and credit cards, sell the furnishings and declare this monstrosity dead before it finishes the job of killing the nation and its inhabitants.

1 posted on 07/09/2012 1:20:47 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I’d settle for a distinct second party.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: IbJensen

I think Ann Coulter got it right (again) when she was talking about one of the underhanded things the democrats were doing. She said, “The Democrats are evil, but they’re not stupid. That’s us.”


3 posted on 07/09/2012 1:27:35 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: IbJensen

I’m more inclined to think the Democrats need to split into two parties. The other one could be called the Occupy Party.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 1:28:24 PM PDT by pallis
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To: IbJensen

The rate things are going, the GOP will be a third party.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 1:29:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: null and void

“I’d settle for a distinct second party.”

Well said....er...written.


6 posted on 07/09/2012 1:30:15 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: IbJensen

We cannot have one until a real majority is required for election.


7 posted on 07/09/2012 1:31:42 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: IbJensen

The First American Republic is dead. Died some time ago. It will take CWII to establish a Second American Republic.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 1:31:53 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: IbJensen

Agreed!


9 posted on 07/09/2012 1:32:21 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Noumenon

“The First American Republic is dead. Died some time ago. It will take CWII to establish a Second American Republic.”

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Agreed!


10 posted on 07/09/2012 1:34:46 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: IbJensen

The silent majority need only take over one of the parties and allow the country club rinos go away with cristine todd whitman into her third party.

I agree though that there is a serious lack of AMERICAN leadership in the republic party. We only have managers and manipulators, no leaders.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 1:35:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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12 posted on 07/09/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: longtermmemmory

” - - - The silent majority need only take over one of the parties and allow the country club rinos go away - - - “

That is the plan.

Third parties cannot win as long as the winner is determined by a plurality.

If the laws were changed so that 50 % plus one vote determined the winner then the third party would have a chance.

Thus, it is much more effective to just boot out the RINOs and run the Republican Party the way it should be run, come 2014.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 1:46:58 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: longtermmemmory

You say: “The silent majority need only take over one of the parties and allow the country club rinos go away....”

So are you a precinct delegate? I am but sadly not enough TEA partiers took action on this logical solution in my opinion.


14 posted on 07/09/2012 1:47:24 PM PDT by tunedin
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To: longtermmemmory
All the major parties (there are 2 of them) are made up of various interest groups and segments of society and the economy. They are coalitions. Their purpose is to compete to win elections in single member districts.

In examining the Republican party it started out as a pretty clear coalition of Liberty Interests and Business Interests.

The Civil War came along. They won. The coalitions reassembled themselves and once Grant's Administration was passed on into history, we start with "modern times".

Currently two new interest groups ~ one called the Mittbots and another called the GoP-e have consorted together to subvert the Republican party and take it away from its historic bottom up control structure.

It is our job to stop them, and then REMOVE them from the Republican party. They are better off among their own kind in the Democrat party ~

15 posted on 07/09/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tunedin

We need one but not THIS election...

(Look for someone to try and use the old “divide and conquer” strategy though—financed by the other side...)


16 posted on 07/09/2012 1:49:11 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: IbJensen

This episode PERFECTLY illustrates EVERYTHING that the people have come to loathe and detest about Congress.

- Important change affecting many people slipped-in quietly at the last minute and attached to an unrelated bill on a Friday heading into a holiday.

- Change has never been subject to a full debate or public comment period.

- Powerful interests with vested financial interests are involved in actually writing the bill as well as lobbying for it.

- Details contained within the bill itself are at a Monty Python level of absurd (customers who sit and roll their own smokes on a borrowed machine are MANUFACTURERS???)

- Bill it is attached to is loaded with so much pork it attracts votes from all sides of the aisle.

- Congressional weasel who pulled this off WILL NOT EVEN RETURN PHONE CALLS seeking comment (quoted in many news accounts).

- Small businessmen put out of business, some financially ruined, by what Congress has done.

If smokers don’t spend every last dime they can spare to defeat Max Baucus the next time his seat is up then they deserve whatever is headed their way next.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 1:51:46 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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If you live in a solidly Blue state, you should vote for the Green Party candidate.

If the first third party to gain credence is a leftwing one, then that will siphon votes away from the Democrats.

If the Green Party gets big enough, we can then think about starting a bonafide conservative party to threaten the Republicans with similar ballot box competition if they refuse to abide by their platform.

18 posted on 07/09/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: IbJensen; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; MEG33; ...

When both parties run abortionist/homosexualist statists, we have NO choice at all. It’s like a communist state one party election! Soros must be very pleased. Damn the statist parties!!

When the Chief Justice of the United States formally throws out the constitutional limits on government, we no longer have a constitutional republic!!

And this guy is supposedly a constitutionalist conservative appointed by a Republican president.

When we have a godless abortionist/homosexualist STATIST sitting in the White House and a godless abortionist/homosexualist STATIST congress under Reid and Pelosi throwing out all the longstanding congressional rules and ramming blatantly unconstitutional STATIST programs through congress over the objections of we the people and then we have the Chief Justice of the United States stamp his approval on it, we, my friends are in seriously deep doo-doo.

Our constitutional republic has been effectively dissolved before our very eyes and effectively dissolved by our own supposedly conservative Republican party!!

And now our supposedly conservative Republican party chooses to run a blatantly abortionist/homosexualist STATIST candidate for president??

C’mon, folks, give me a break!! Romney is the STATIST idiot who rammed the STATIST RomneyCare program through in Massachusetts and that directly morphed into ObamaCare and then Chief Justice Roberts knifed us all in the back and single-handily brought down our constitutional Republic!!

All of our enemies and the communists over the years could not conquer America by war or threat of war but the enemy within brought us down. And we are now being asked to sanction with our sacred vote the very STATIST idiot who made the loss of our beloved Republic possible?

NOT ON MY WATCH!!

FUMR!! FUKR!! FUGOP-e!! FUBO!! (FU = freep you)

No way in hell will I ever cast my vote for a known STATIST idiot like Romney!!

Statism - the theory or practice of concentrating economic and political power in the state, resulting in a weak position for the individual or community with respect to the government

Long live the grass roots tea party rebellion!! Long live the Republic!! Long live Liberty!!


19 posted on 07/09/2012 1:54:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Graewoulf
Doesn't matter how you do the cut off for winners, eventually you need to have 50%+1 to win, and that's what the parties get organized around.

Think about this ~ let's say you set winning at 35% ~ and a coalition party was formed around the idea they could get 35% and they'd win, and this other coalition formed around the idea they could get 36% and they'd win, now what do you think is going to happen?

Obviously you have to regularly have 50%+1 victories, but not too much more than that or you end up getting a surplus of losers in your coalition, and you'll find yourself fighting bygone policy battles forever ~ just listen to the Democrats in the NE. They haven't had a new idea in 75 years!

20 posted on 07/09/2012 1:57:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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