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Obama's Administration Killed a 16-Year-Old American, Didn't Say Anything About It. This Is Justice?
Esquire ^ | July 9. 2012 | Tom Junod

Posted on 07/09/2012 4:13:25 PM PDT by lbryce

In the August issue, Tom Junod examines an entirely new application of power on the part of the president — the targeted killing of individuals deemed to be threats to the country. So far, thousands have been killed, most prominent among them Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki. The decisions to target are made and the lethal missions are carried out without any public accountability, even when those targeted are Americans and even when, on one occasion, one of those Americans was a teenager. Over the course of this week, Junod considers five of the larger implications of his story on The Politics Blog. —Eds.

He was just a boy.

Let's start there. He was an American boy, born in America. Though he'd lived in Yemen since he was about seven, he was still an American citizen, which should have made it harder for the United States to kill him.

It didn't.

It should at the very least have made it necessary for the United States to say why it killed him.

It didn't.

His name was Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and he was 16 years old when he died — when he was killed by a drone strike in Yemen, by the light of the moon. He was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who was also born in America, who was also an American citizen, and who was killed by drone two weeks before his son was, along with another American citizen named Samir Khan. Of course, both Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were, at the very least, traitors to their country — they had both gone to Yemen and taken up with Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and al-Awlaki had proven himself an expert inciter of those with murderous designs against America and Americans:

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012election; alawlaki; alawlakison; citizens; dictatorship; election2012; esquire; freedomlovers; kenyanbornmuzzie; killings; mittromney; obama; terrorists; uscitizens
What are you? Some political newby? Just graduated some online journalism school? Don't you know how things work in a dictatorship?
1 posted on 07/09/2012 4:13:32 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
His name was Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and he was 16 years old when he died

And not a moment too soon.

2 posted on 07/09/2012 4:16:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

“And not a moment too soon. “

Right on! The little muzzie bastard didn’t have any time to reproduce.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 4:21:16 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: lbryce

First of all, Obama probably had nothing to do with killing the Jr. Raghead, just as he had nothing to do with the killing of Obama...


4 posted on 07/09/2012 4:21:48 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: lbryce

Interesting. If this same 16-year-old wandered into an American school and shot to death several students and teachers, he couldn’t get the death penalty.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 4:22:33 PM PDT by lazypadawan
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To: lbryce

Traitors are fair game. Bleeding heart liberals can kiss my butt.


6 posted on 07/09/2012 4:24:42 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: lazypadawan

Interesting. If this same 16-year-old wandered into an American school and shot to death several students and teachers, he couldn’t get the death penalty
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I was thinking the same.

If they can do it to those we dislike, they can do it to us.


7 posted on 07/09/2012 4:24:57 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: lbryce

Once a person turns to the dark side and plots to kill Americans I don’t care what passport they carry while overseas.

Now if our government started dropping JDAMs on folks out behind the Daytona Mall then I expect me and a whole lot of other Americans would get upset.

Just like we’re upset with no-knock searches and dog shootings by the local Gestapo.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: fish hawk

I’m sure a presidential “Americans To Assassinate” list (as opposed to those who’ve been found guilty in a court and sentenced to death) will start with such notoriously evil personages as this. What I’m not so sure about is whether it will finish that way.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 4:29:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: lbryce

I hope he wasn’t holding a book entitled, “Dreams From My Father”.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 4:29:55 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: vette6387; All
“And not a moment too soon. “ Right on! The little muzzie bastard didn’t have any time to reproduce.

just playing a hunch here...troll from DU, right?

11 posted on 07/09/2012 4:30:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: lbryce

It’s okay for Obama to assassinate U.S. citizens as long as he doesn’t water board anyone because that would be wrong.


12 posted on 07/09/2012 4:41:52 PM PDT by kennedy (No relation to those other Kennedys.)
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To: vette6387; The Invisible Hand
Vette, let me play this back: you like the idea of Barack Obama having the personal power and self-vested authority to kill anybody he wants to, American or not, combatant or not, guilty or not, without charges, without evidence, without judicial oversight, without scrutiny and without possibility of redress. All OK with you. As long it's somebody you want dead.

Do I have that about right?

13 posted on 07/09/2012 4:44:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: kennedy

Has the Special Prosecutor in the Zimmerman lynching been informed about this latest murder of an unarmed teenager?


14 posted on 07/09/2012 4:46:43 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: BenLurkin

I for one, have no sympathy for al-Awlaki. He deserved to die in the worst way possible. He was an enemy of every American who loves liberty. That his son was a collateral casualty doesn’t bother me much either.

Just remember, if guys like these have their way they would come and kill everybody they have to until they have us living in a sharia pit of hell.

Islam is a POS!


15 posted on 07/09/2012 4:51:22 PM PDT by Bullish (Liars aren't always thieves but thieves are ALWAYS liars)
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To: lbryce

“Citizen” sadly means very little these days. After all, any illegal alien female who crosses the Rio Grande and plops out a baby on our side, produces a so-called “citizen”.


16 posted on 07/09/2012 4:58:00 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Irenic; lazypadawan

They’re moving the goalposts every day:

http://terrornewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2012/07/american-freedom-lovers-now-labeled.html


17 posted on 07/09/2012 5:00:02 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: lbryce
By Section 110 of Article III. of the Constitution of the United States, it is declared that:

"Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason."

In 1790, the Congress of the United States enacted that:

"If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere, and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH; and that if any person or persons, having knowledge of the commission of any of the treasons aforesaid, shall conceal, and not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President of the United States, or some one of the Judges thereof, or to the President or Governor of a particular State, or some one of the Judges or Justices thereof, such person or persons, on conviction, shall be adjudged guilty of misprision of treason, and shall be imprisoned not exceeding seven years, and fined not exceeding one thousand dollars."

Treason Against the United States

18 posted on 07/09/2012 5:10:10 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: lbryce

If Obama had a son it would look like Abdulrahman...


19 posted on 07/09/2012 5:19:03 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: fish hawk

Traitors are fair game. Bleeding heart liberals can kiss my butt.


Depends on how you define ‘traitor.’ Homeland inSecurity has classified all the Left’s social and political enemies as domestic terrorists. This includes, second amendment activists, those who are attached to constitutional liberity, those who are against abortion, Iraq vets, those against globalism/UN governance, Christians, preppers, and more.

Domestic terrorists are traitors, so you might want to reconsider your mindless rah rahing his power to murder citizens without due process since you are hanging with traitors at FR. I don’t trust any man with this much power which is why I support the constitution of the United States.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 5:34:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: lbryce
If you want to see this liberal's head spin around so fast that he gets whiplash, ask him what he thinks will happen when Sarah Palin gets her hands on the button.

Cheers!

21 posted on 07/09/2012 5:34:16 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: lbryce

Sorry, but I have a hard time giving a damn about some America hating Muzzie who would gladly murder you and me and our children, even if he is an “American”.


22 posted on 07/09/2012 5:38:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: BenLurkin

Where does the POTUS get the power to assasinate 16 year old American citizens wanted for nothing? You people are freaking nuts if you think one person should have that power in the US.


23 posted on 07/09/2012 5:42:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Bratch

“If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere, and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH; and that if any person or persons, having knowledge of the commission of any of the treasons aforesaid, shall conceal, and not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President of the United States, or some one of the Judges thereof, or to the President or Governor of a particular State, or some one of the Judges or Justices thereof, such person or persons, on conviction, shall be adjudged guilty of misprision of treason, and shall be imprisoned not exceeding seven years, and fined not exceeding one thousand dollars.”


Let it be known that I am not hiding the fact that the President of the US is engaged in treason per the above defination. For one thing, he has made alliances with and turned whole Nations over to a radical Mulsim group called the Mulsim Brotherhood while we are at war with radical Islam. In addition, he has orchestrated this group to infiltrate our military and other government offices.

He has kept our borders open to invasion by jihadists and WMDs. He has harassed and blocked state officias and the NYPD who have attempted to fulfill their duties to protect the people of their State via investigating jihadist organizations and individuals in New York.


24 posted on 07/09/2012 5:45:47 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I’m pretty sure that most if not all that read my post got my meaning that “traitor” as the Constitution defines it not how a Foreign born, American hating president defines it.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 5:52:23 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: vette6387

When one sows the wind, they should not complain when they and theirs reaps the whirlwind.

Many claim to passionately believe in constitutional rights, but for some only when it applies to their rights.

If constitutional protection is not applicable for all Americans, then there is no constitutional protection for any American.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 5:55:57 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: Robwin

If Obama had a son he would look like Abdulrahman.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 6:08:33 PM PDT by kennedy (No relation to those other Kennedys.)
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To: jwalsh07

What no one is commenting on that I find amazing is...

where is code Pink?? cindy Sheehan?

If this was Bush, this would be front page headlines in the NYT...”Bush lied, teenagers died.”

the Lib hypocrisy lives on!


28 posted on 07/09/2012 6:15:20 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: lbryce

If you believe in the White house insider stuff at all it is said that O picks the names of those who are going to killed by drone. After the attack then Video’s are delivered to him. He watches them over an over and is obsessed by them. Even his own people are freaked by it.


29 posted on 07/09/2012 6:17:09 PM PDT by Revel
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To: fish hawk

I understood what you meant. However, the guy with the killing power thinks differently than you and I. Which is why we can not afford to put so much power in a president’s hands.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 6:32:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Statists are inherently hypocritical bastards. Conservatives conserve nothing when they applaud the murder of US citizens because their father’s religion is one they don’t like.


31 posted on 07/09/2012 6:38:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: SaraJohnson
"I don’t trust any man with this much power which is why I support the constitution of the United States."

Well said.

I have been with Free Republic since 1998, when I posted on my husband's account. I have seen posters with lots of good sense, and posters who were borderline morons. But I have never, until now, seen FReepers who openly supported a leftist tyrant's prerogative to kill anybody he chooses.

32 posted on 07/09/2012 6:52:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: jwalsh07

agree.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 6:59:56 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: SaraJohnson
I agree with that, whether it is Obama or someome we trust. It could always get out of hand later on. I read a quote statement from Hitler the other day that went sort of like this: he said, “ Germany will go down in history as the first civilized nation in the world to have full gun registration for the safty of its citizens.” we know where that went.
34 posted on 07/09/2012 7:11:43 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: lbryce

Perhaps you think muslim terroists should be left alone?


35 posted on 07/09/2012 7:31:52 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Irenic

that’s right but noly if the government is at war with us. Are you suggestung that the government has decided to kill citizens on its own soil that have done nothing? I think not. A muslim terroist gets what he deserves. If you equate me with that shame on you. Your logic leads to pacifism... we shouldn’t hurt anyone


36 posted on 07/09/2012 7:34:44 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SaraJohnson

If yiu trust no man with the power to deal with traitors then surrender now. Apparently you do np think there is anything such as war. Your time in the gulag ought to be enjoyable... no one fights there


37 posted on 07/09/2012 7:38:08 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good point.


38 posted on 07/09/2012 7:41:05 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: fish hawk

So who else should due process be suspended for?


39 posted on 07/09/2012 7:41:55 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; jwalsh07

Add me to the agree list.


40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:10:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: Nifster
that’s right but noly if the government is at war with us. Are you suggestung that the government has decided to kill citizens on its own soil that have done nothing? I think not. A muslim terroist gets what he deserves. If you equate me with that shame on you. Your logic leads to pacifism... we shouldn’t hurt anyone

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I don't think I equated you to anything, you took offense to my post.

As far as the rest...I don't trust our government. I want our government to stay within the constitution and I believe they are starting to push the envelope. That isn't pacifism, that is treating government with suspicion.

FBI Director Mueller unclear on targeted killing rule within the US

Senator Rand Paul: I am concerned about one person deciding the life or death of not only foreigners but U.S. citizens around the world. And the chance that one person could make a mistake, you know, is a possibility. So having the president decide who he's going to kill concerns me. I would rather it go through a court, and there are actually secret courts, the FISA court investigates intelligence information. And most of these decisions aren't made like this. They make the decision over weeks and months. They target people and go after them. I see no reason why there couldn't be some sort of court preceding, even a secret court preceding, to allow some protection. I mean even in the United States where we have the best due process probably in the world, we have probably executed people wrongfully for the death penalty. They have found out through DNA testing, many people on death row are there inaccurately. And even Republicans have pulled back their beliefs some on death penalty. So I think when we decide to kill someone, that's obviously the ultimate punishment. We need to be very, very certain that what we're doing is not in error.

41 posted on 07/09/2012 8:23:05 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

“FBI Director Robert Mueller on Wednesday said he would have to go back and check with the Department of Justice whether Attorney General Eric Holder’s “three criteria” for the targeted killing of Americans also applied to Americans inside the U.S.

Pressed by House lawmakers about a recent speech in which Holder described the legal justification for assassination, Mueller, who was attending a hearing on his agency’s budget, did not say without qualification that the three criteria could not be applied inside the U.S.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/mueller-have-to-check-with-holder-whether-targeted-killing-rule-is-outside-us/

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1496349721001/fbi-unclear-on-targeted-killing-rule-within-us/


42 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:42 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But I have never, until now, seen FReepers who openly supported a leftist tyrant's prerogative to kill anybody he chooses.

Since its been my experience that at least 85% of Freepers totally ignore the procedural requirements for a Constitutional Declaration of War, the cheering for a blatant violation of the Right to Due Process probably shouldn't come as such a surprise. :-(

43 posted on 07/10/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: fish hawk; SaraJohnson
"I’m pretty sure that most if not all that read my post got my meaning that “traitor” as the Constitution defines it not how a Foreign born, American hating president defines it."

"Your" meaning? Really? You think "your" meaning is the defining meaning of the word "traitor" when we're speaking of a head of state's claim to the unchallengeable power to order a killing anywhere in the world?

Question: is a limited government with enumerated powers under a written Constitution a new or problematic concept for American conservatives?

What you're defending is what Barack Obama did --- that's what this thread is about, that's what you read at the top oif the thread --- and Barack Obama IS ... you know very well what he is.

A good man wouldn't want this power.

A bad man will never let it go.

44 posted on 07/10/2012 6:02:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: lbryce

Obama killed his own son?!


45 posted on 07/10/2012 6:06:44 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Bratch

Yep. Dad was traitor; kid was a citizen “in name only.” Hate to say it to Obama, but “Good shootin’, Tex.”


46 posted on 07/10/2012 6:20:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: MamaTexan; SaraJohnson

I’m afraid that some FReepeers’ sense of right and wrong is basically what you could find in a madrassa.


47 posted on 07/10/2012 7:35:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m afraid that some FReepeers’ sense of right and wrong is basically what you could find in a madrassa.


More like the USSR.


48 posted on 07/10/2012 6:11:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Nifster

If yiu trust no man with the power to deal with traitors then surrender now.


You already surrendered. I’m not going with your treasonous ass.


49 posted on 07/10/2012 6:13:37 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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