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10,000 Scientologists Got This E-Mail Today About "Disconnection," ... and a Mysterious Death
The Village Voice ^ | 7/9/12 | Tony Ortega

Posted on 07/09/2012 5:49:58 PM PDT by null and void

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Heber Jentzsch, when he was still allowed to breathe free air
UPDATE: HOLMES-CRUISE DIVORCE SETTLED. So far, looking like how we predicted it in our previous story.

This morning, more than 10,000 Scientologists found an e-mail from Karen de la Carriere in their inboxes, written in jargon that they will understand, and informing them of the controversy surrounding the death of her son Alexander Jentzsch.

As we reported first on Thursday night, de la Carriere learned about the death of her 27-year-old son more than two days after he was found, unresponsive, at the home of his in-laws in Los Angeles. (The manner of his death is still being investigated, but the county coroner says there is no suspicion of foul play.)

She had not been notified that her son had died and was lying in a morgue, and only learned about it through Facebook chatter that eventually was passed to her. In 2010, Karen was excommunicated for speaking out critically about Scientology, and her son had been forced by the the church to "disconnect" from her. Now the church was also keeping her in the dark about his death, and she was barred from the mortuary and could not see his body.

What made the situation even stranger is that Alexander's father is Heber Jentzsch, who since 1982 has been the president of the Church of Scientology International, but who has not been seen in public since about 2004.

According to Mike Rinder, the former top spokesman for the church, Heber has spent much of that time as a prisoner in Scientology's strange office-prison at its international base east of Los Angeles. (Rinder was himself a prisoner in "The Hole," where he saw Heber.) Rinder tells the Voice that Scientology won't hold a memorial service because it doesn't want to produce Heber for a public event.

Taking a page from Debbie Cook, whose New Year's Eve e-mail about problems with Scientology's leader David Miscavige has fueled a growing split in the church, de la Carriere told us she wants to make sure church members learn something about what's going on.

She believes that Heber, 76, may not have even been told that his son has died.

(Several days ago, we e-mailed Scientology attorney Gary Soter, asking if Heber had been notified about the death, and asking about Heber's whereabouts, but we have not received a reply.)

For several days, Karen has been gathering mailing lists of thousands of church members through the help of sympathetic Scientologists. She says that she wrote her letter with the sensibilities of church members in mind, and not for the general public (as will be obvious as you read it).

Here's the text of what she wrote. We've put in some annotations in brackets to help with some of the jargon...

Dear Scientologist,

I am emailing you as a friend and fellow Scientologist to let you know about the mysterious and sudden death of my son Alexander Jentzsch at 27 years of age on July 3, 2012.

Although I am not in the Sea Org right now, I served aboard the Flagship Apollo where I was trained by LRH to the level of Class XII C/S. I am one of only seven Class XII C/S' LRH ever made. [Originally, members of Scientology's hardcore Sea Organization literally sailed the seas with L. Ron Hubbard, and some were trained to be auditors -- counselors -- up to the level of Class XII.]

After LRH took Flag ashore in Clearwater, I met and fell in love with Heber Jentzsch. We married and Heber went on to become the President of the Church of Scientology International. I remained devoted to LRH and to my duties as a Class XII C/S at Flag. I won "Auditor of the Year" at Flag numerous times. [In 1975, tired of running Scientology from his flagship for eight years, Hubbard moved the operation onshore in Clearwater, Florida -- and to this day the place is known as "Flag" to Scientologists.]

In 1984, I gave birth to our son Alexander.

Alexander Jentzsch was born in the Sea Org. He formally joined the Sea Org when he was eight years old. Despite the promises that Sea Org recruiters made to Alexander, he did not receive a proper education. While other children were in school, Alexander was cleaning toilets and mopping floors at Flag. As a child working in the Sea Org, Alexander was made to work long hours and would sometimes sneak away to call me on the phone in tears.

While LRH had made family time a daily requirement in the Sea Org, things radically changed under COB RTC David Miscavige and family time virtually disappeared. Unless there is a death or a PR flap of some kind, Sea Org members are almost never allowed to see their families. Alexander seldom saw his father, Heber. Factually, years would go by between the times Alexander was allowed to see his father. Alexander called himself "The Boy with no Dad". He saw Heber less than 11 times in 14 years. [Hubbard died in 1986 and was succeeded by Miscavige, whose formal title is chairman of the board of the Religious Technology Center, or "COB" of "RTC".]

COB RTC David Miscavige ordered Heber Jentzsch and I to be divorced and has utterly destroyed our 2nd dynamic.

I was suddenly a single mother with a child to support. Heber was unable to pay any child support.

Indeed, Heber could not even support himself on his $50 per week Sea Org pay. I did not protest this as Heber was the President of the Church of Scientology International and I did not want to create a flap for the Church. The Church had me sign affidavits on video camera that I would never ask for child support. [Even high-ranking Sea Org executives make only about $50 a week, despite working 100-hour weeks and helping the church to bring in huge amounts of money from its members. Cheap labor and its tax exemption help explain why Scientology is so flush with cash.]

I was suddenly a single mother with a child to support. Heber was unable to pay any child support. Indeed, Heber could not even support himself on his $50 per week Sea Org pay. I did not protest this as Heber was the President of the Church of Scientology International and I did not want to create a flap for the Church.

I routed out of the Sea Org in 1990 and took many years to pay off my $90,000 Freeloader Debt. I paid my Freeloader Debt so that I could remain a Scientologist in good standing. I knew LRH and knew the Tech worked miracles. [Sea Org members receive counseling and other services at a reduced rate (reflecting their miniscule pay), but if they leave the Sea Org, they are hit with a "freeloader debt" and are asked to pay full price for the discounted services.]

After I left the Sea Org, I remained a loyal member of the Church of Scientology. I raised Alexander by myself and supported him financially when he entered the Sea Org. Alexander served on many posts during the sixteen years he was in the Sea Org. When he was a young man, Alexander married Andrea Kavon, a fellow Sea Org member.

Alexander and Andrea Jentzsch routed out of the Sea Org in 2010 due to the fact that Andrea was pregnant and babies are not allowed in the Sea Org. (She miscarried.)

Sometime after they routed out, I made the decision to publicly depart the Church in 2010 for the same reasons Debbie Cook outlined in her letter of January 1, 2012. Like Debbie, I saw the Church engaging in extreme over-regging and gross out tech. Having been trained to deliver the highest technical levels of Scientology possible, I know what Standard Tech is and is not. My decision to leave the Church was based upon my deep respect for LRH and my 100% commitment to preserve his legacy and technology.
I could no longer be a part of what was happening in the Church under the deeply suppressive management of David Miscavige. ["Over-regging:" pressure applied by registrars, whose job it is to convince church members to spend more money on services or give donations. "Out-tech:" deviating from L. Ron Hubbard's "technology."]

I was declared a Suppressive Person. My son Alexander and his wife were forced to disconnect from me by OSA when I left the Church. [When the church excommunicates someone it declares them a "suppressive person." All members in good standing must then "disconnect" from that person entirely, even if it's a family member. This is enforced by the Office of Special Affairs (OSA), Scientology's intelligence and legal affairs wing.]

In 2010, Alexander's father Heber Jentzsch was 75 years old and had not been allowed to see our son for many years. Heber has been locked up in the Int Base RPF for many years and remains locked up with other International executives.[Contrary to what is on Wikipedia, Karen tells me that Heber was born on November 30, 1935, making him 76 currently. The RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force) is the Sea Org's prison detail, and can take years to route out of.]

Due to the policies of Disconnection and RPF, Alexander effectively had no parents in 2010.

After he left the Sea Org, Alexander took a job in sales at a Scientology-owned company in Dallas. During this time in Dallas, Alexander was involved in a traffic accident that injured him to such an extent that he began to take prescription pain pills. Alexander lost his job and began on a downward spiral.

Because Alexander did not have $10,000 or more, the Church of Scientology would not and give him any auditing to handle the engram from the traffic accident. The Church would not even give Alexander any charity Chaplain auditing. It did not matter that Alexander's parents had served more than fifty years in the Sea Org. There is no compassion or mercy in the Church in present time.

As a Class XII C/S, I have the technical skills necessary to help anyone. I could have helped my son Alexander handle the engram from the traffic accident. However, due to the policy of Disconnection no one from the Church of Scientology ever called me to let me know that my only child had been badly injured in a traffic accident. [Scientologists believe that a traumatic experience leaves behind a sort of scar on the mind called an "engram" which can be removed through auditing.]

As an art dealer, I have a good income. I would have immediately paid to give my son the best medical care possible. Again, however, due to the policy of Disconnection no one from the Church of Scientology ever called me to let me know that Alexander had been badly injured in a traffic accident.

It came as a shock to me, then, when someone called me to let me know that Alexander had been found dead in his bed on the morning of July 3, 2012.

Alexander died at the home of his in-laws in Los Angeles. Both of his in-laws are New OT VII's. [The highest level of spiritual attainment in Scientology is Operating Thetan level Eight, and someone who has reached OT seven -- one step lower -- has spent many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in counseling to get there.]

It was only after I began to ask questions that I learned of the traffic accident and that Alexander had allegedly died from a high fever.

Through its spokesperson, the Church was very quick to publicly state that Alexander has left no suicide note and had over-medicated himself. This was a strange and suspicious claim coming from the same Church that claims to have the most powerful technology on the planet. I am working very hard to find out the truth about my son Alexander's death because the Church will not tell me anything and has forbidden Andrea or her family from telling me anything.

The behavior of the Church raises questions:

Where was the tech when Alexander needed it? He served 16 years in the Sea Org. Why not a lifeline in his time of need?

Why did two New OT VII's allow a fellow Scientologist in good standing to over-medicate himself? Why had two OT's failed to help Alexander? This is a gross violation of point one of the Code of Honor written by LRH in 1954:

Never desert a comrade in need, in danger or in trouble.

Alexander was clearly in need, danger, and trouble and yet he was utterly deserted by the Church of Scientology.

I wanted only to cremate my son quickly per the scriptures of Scientology. When I sent a messenger over to the home of Alexander's in-laws to ask for his body, I was told:

-- Any communication between Andrea and myself must go through OSA

-- There would be no funeral or viewing for Alexander

-- Worse, I was told that I would not be allowed to take one last look at my son

This is the Church of Scientology in 2012 under David Miscavige:

-- An LRH-trained Class XII C/S cannot use the tech to help her own son

-- A grieving mother cannot see her son's body one last time

-- No one will help a comrade in need, danger, or trouble for fear of incurring the wrath of David Miscavige or OSA

The Church did not tell me that Alexander died. I had to find out from someone who cared enough to tell me.

The Church never told you why Debbie Cook left as Captain of FSO. Instead, Debbie Cook sent out a letter herself to tell you why.

The Church is not telling you that LRH's granddaughter Roanne Horwich recently blew from Int Base.

The Church of Scientology under David Miscavige is a Church full of secrets, lies, and injustices.

The Church of Scientology under David Miscavige uses Disconnection and SP Declares only to keep the truth from being known.

I am writing this letter to let you know that the Church has tried to keep secret the news that Alexander Jentzsch -- whose father Heber is still the President of CSI -- died.

The Church is keeping other secrets from you as well:

-- Why is the Super Power Building still not open after almost twenty years?

-- Where does all the money go?

-- Why are the Ideal Orgs empty?

-- Where is the expansion claimed by COB?

-- That the entire Dror Mission in Israel just left the Church, and why.

I am a Scientologist and will always be a Scientologist for I know the power of the tech.

I love LRH and care enough about the tech and the church he created to send you this letter.

I close by quoting what Debbie Cook said very well in her letter:

"We all have a stake in this. It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring. You have a very simple obligation to LRH. Don't participate in anything off policy, and let others know they should not either. If every person who reads this email does nothing more than step back from off-policy actions we would have changed direction. If we took all that energy and directed it into auditing, training and raw public dissemination, we would be winning."

You can e-mail at karendelac@aol.com

ARC,

Karen de la Carriere

Class XII C/S

Crew member, Flagship Apollo

Karen tells me she's received thousands of e-mails in the past few days since our first story about her son appeared, and after we printed her open invitation to attend the memorial service she is creating for him, she quickly filled up about three quarters of its capacity.

When I talked to her last night, Karen could barely get through the conversation. If she had maintained a strong exterior in the first days after learning about her son's death, yesterday it seemed to catch up to her. "I'm jelly," she said through sobs, and then said she was having a hard time dealing with how she'd been treated by the church. "I can't deal with the fact that I gave my life and my soul to such a cruel thing," she said. "I blame myself for bringing into the world a second generation Scientologist. He's just ashes now. They've cremated him."

She didn't get to see him one last time.

We'll show Alexander to you one last time this morning, in a photo with a friend.

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A young Alexander Jentzsch, in comm with his friend John Travolta


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cchr; cultdeath; jentzsch; karendelacarriere; katieholmes; lronhubbard; scientology
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I wish I could say I'm surprised.
1 posted on 07/09/2012 5:50:05 PM PDT by null and void
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks null and void.
In 2010, Karen was excommunicated for speaking out critically about Scientology, and her son had been forced by the the church to "disconnect" from her. Now the church was also keeping her in the dark about his death, and she was barred from the mortuary and could not see his body. What made the situation even stranger is that Alexander's father is Heber Jentzsch, who since 1982 has been the president of the Church of Scientology International, but who has not been seen in public since about 2004... has spent much of that time as a prisoner in Scientology's strange office-prison at its international base east of Los Angeles.
Clearly Scientology and Romney must be connected -- if nothing yet, it just means people aren't trying hard enough. ;')


2 posted on 07/09/2012 5:54:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: null and void

It occurs to me that if the Italian Mafia had just called itself a religion and hid behind lawyers they could get away with their criminal activities.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 6:03:05 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: SunkenCiv

I would be LOL-ing at your quip, if this weren’t so sad. These folks must be nuts.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 6:08:45 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: null and void

It’s like reading an episode of Outer Limits.

This is so sad. So many people involved in this cult who have sold their souls to someone who has been happy to take their money and probably laughs at how stupid they are.

Was Madoff a member? If not he took lessons from Miscavige.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 6:14:58 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: mardi59

Yeah? Try living it!

(More like The Twilight Zone in my experience)


6 posted on 07/09/2012 6:25:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void
I live in the Tampa area which is very near Clearwater (flag) and see once in a while these poor pathetic souls setting up tables in retail areas pushing you to test their gadgets to ... help you ....and sell you RLH books...

Since I am fairly knowledgeable about their cult....I sit down to be tested and turn the tables on them.....by telling them secrets about their cult....

7 posted on 07/09/2012 6:26:16 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: mardi59

It’s SO creepy. I had an altogether TOO close brush with it back around 1973. Good friends trying to lure me into it. Something felt very, very wrong about the people.

They’re still around; he has a little internet page (he’s still a musician). I really wonder about them a lot.
But I won’t communicate.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 6:27:51 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: Popman

EXCELLENT!


9 posted on 07/09/2012 6:28:08 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

I would never give up belief in Christ so I would never experience scientology. What I read about this cult scares the heck out of me.

I bet we could lump Twilight Zone, Outer Limits and One Step Beyond together and not even come close to what this cult is.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 6:30:53 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: mardi59

There is no requirement that you give up Christ to be in scientology, there’s even a policy letter titled “To A Roman Catholic” that says so.

Uh huh.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 6:34:39 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: mardi59

What an eye opener this is. Would this have come out if it hadn’t already started seeping through after the divorce filing of Katie Holmes?

These people are totally out of it. They don’t even speak our language.. What planet did they drop in from?


12 posted on 07/09/2012 6:35:53 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: EggsAckley

Stay away from them. Lord only knows what they are capable of.

If we’re lucky Zenu will send a flagship to pick-up all the loonies and take them away. He can start with Cruise, Miscavige and Travolta.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 6:36:30 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: null and void

Yeah...right.

They put LRH above Christ in their beliefs. These people are lost souls, pure and simple. They worship at the feet of LRH.


14 posted on 07/09/2012 6:40:55 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: Thank You Rush

I don’t know what planet they’re from and I don’t want to know. One thing I’m sure of, they aren’t from this planet! :-(


15 posted on 07/09/2012 6:43:22 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: Thank You Rush
They don’t even speak our language..

It's called scientologese, it sounds a lot like English, but the words often have different and more precise definitions than the English analogs.

What planet did they drop in from?

According to scn dogma, all us misfits, criminals and crazy people were gathered here from all over the universe...

16 posted on 07/09/2012 6:47:12 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Colofornian; greyfoxx39; Elsie; mrreaganaut; svcw; ejonesie22; Zakeet; SENTINEL; SZonian

In before the usual ‘they may have weird beliefs but they are nice people and they aren’t a cult’ posters.

Different cult, same excuses. High demand groups are all the same and several of us have lost friends and family (been ‘disconnected’) for leaving a cult.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 6:48:02 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: mardi59; EggsAckley
Stay away from them. Lord only knows what they are capable of.

Good advice.

18 posted on 07/09/2012 6:48:32 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: mardi59

Oh, I WILL stay away from them, not to worry. I never could figure out what the heck they are and I don’t even want to know now. I just knew there was something too creepy about them, the wife the most.


19 posted on 07/09/2012 6:50:01 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: null and void
$50 per week Sea Org pay

They couldn't hire illegal off the street corner for that.

BTW, how do they get away with it?

20 posted on 07/09/2012 6:50:28 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: mardi59
They put LRH above Christ in their beliefs. These people are lost souls, pure and simple. They worship at the feet of LRH.

Worse, they utterly ignore Christ. Yes. Most True Believers are members of the 'Ron is God' club.

21 posted on 07/09/2012 6:51:01 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: mardi59

Its the perfect religion for Hollywood. Continue doing whatever you want, but give us money and we will make everything ok. No repentence or behavior change required.


22 posted on 07/09/2012 6:51:46 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: reaganaut

Scientology is nothing if not ‘high demand’!


23 posted on 07/09/2012 6:52:43 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: razorback-bert
BTW, how do they get away with it?

A promise of eternal salvation and power.

24 posted on 07/09/2012 6:54:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

That is some crazy s___.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 6:55:07 PM PDT by henkster (We're the slaves of the phony leaders...)
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To: henkster

Yet it makes perfect sense to the initiated.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 6:56:48 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

I am proud to say my husband and I are on the scientology enemies list.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 6:57:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Congratulations! I never made the cut.

OTOH, DU didn’t ban me either.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 7:00:12 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

Of all the wrong pictures...


29 posted on 07/09/2012 7:02:27 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Eeeeee.....)
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To: null and void; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

The confused woman’s letter is a gold mine of Scientology lingo which we oughta steal for our own nefarious FR use, doncha think?

Over-regging, out-tech, suppressive person (is the latter available as an FR nick?)

As for ‘Ideal Orgs’ that’s what my girlfriend said she was having back in high school.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 7:08:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: null and void
I am a Scientologist and will always be a Scientologist for I know the power of the tech.

Don't we all know the power of the tech? (Except those Mac users among us.)

31 posted on 07/09/2012 7:09:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I could loan you a scientology tech dictionary...


32 posted on 07/09/2012 7:12:38 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: StAnDeliver
Of all the wrong pictures...

Which one?

33 posted on 07/09/2012 7:13:49 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: mardi59
"They put LRH above Christ in their beliefs."

At a minimum, given the OT-VIII's are told that LRH was 'christ' and that Our Lord Jesus Christ was actually the Devil...

34 posted on 07/09/2012 7:14:07 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Pardon the mere blasphemy of having to explain such a thing.)
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To: null and void

Revolta leering at the kid...


35 posted on 07/09/2012 7:17:02 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: null and void

Years ago they swept me off the street back East when I happened to have little else to do (the burlesque shows were closing by then), and when they still hunted city streets, and back in their office handed me a couple of empty canned fruit cans connected by a wire to a hole in a 4x6 standing upright on a desk with some primitive meter on the other side, to demonstrate the power of their “tech”, or whatever it was called at the time. The empty cans made me laugh in their faces!


36 posted on 07/09/2012 7:19:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: StAnDeliver

Agreed.

Kid’s cute, though...


37 posted on 07/09/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: StAnDeliver

Source please?


38 posted on 07/09/2012 7:20:08 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: null and void

Remember the lawyer in the Terry Schiavo case?

Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158660/posts


39 posted on 07/09/2012 7:29:06 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

http://libertytothecaptives.net/felos_scientology_ot_viii_kill_with_a_thought.html


40 posted on 07/09/2012 7:30:35 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Kill with a thought? Where do I sign up?


41 posted on 07/09/2012 7:33:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: EggsAckley
It’s SO creepy.

Indeed. I had a run in, online actually, on a Bulletin Board system about 20 years ago. This Scientologist troll engaged me in a debate over some issue. He got stranger and stranger, more out there, and then he changed, and began subtly threatening me and my family, at which point I got very scared. I was not sure what he was capable of, and when I did some research on Scientology, I got even more creeped.

As we were all using handles back then, he did not know me from Adam. He kept requesting my personal info, and I kept declining the invitation, but he seemed to make some headway about where about I lived. I was quite scared at this time, so I took preemptive action.

By analyzing the info buried in many of his long screeds, and doing some cross referencing in the phone book, I was able to figure out who he was. I told him, publicly, that he had to stop harassing me, else be exposed. He called my "bluff", I sent him a private message with his name and phone number.

Never heard from that guy again. Turns out he was a notorious, if not infamous Scientologist, who made something of a (bad) name for himself on the early nets, back in the day.

Creepy and scary guy.

42 posted on 07/09/2012 7:36:31 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: null and void

Charles Manson “likes” this.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 7:36:54 PM PDT by imemyself
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Scientology and Terri Schiavo, Is there a Connection?

Yes. And if you really believe that she is a spiritual being trapped in a broken body, and will be able to 'pick up' a healthy body if only she is freed from the broken one, you'd pretty much have to conclude that freeing her is the best course.

I've never said scn wasn't dangerous...

44 posted on 07/09/2012 7:40:42 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The Church would not even give Alexander any charity Chaplain auditing. It did not matter that Alexander's parents had served more than fifty years in the Sea Org. There is no compassion or mercy in the Church in present time.

Nuts was 20 years ago... seems they've gotten worse...

45 posted on 07/09/2012 7:41:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (Speak truth to lies - to ignorance. Speak honesty to the corrupt . Stand-up to liberal elite liars..)
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To: Popman
Your trip to a volcano in a Xenu Airlines DC-8 has been canceled.
46 posted on 07/09/2012 7:45:33 PM PDT by JPG (Whatever semantics are used, it is still a TAX.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
From your link:
Scientologists who have acquired enough demons to achieve the level of Operating Thetan VIII also claim to have the ability to "kill with a thought"
This is precisely the opposite of what OT levels do, they remove attached entities from the person and his body.

The processes I'm familiar with are more like an exorcism writ large.

I'm not saying that the resulting vacuum isn't a magnet for other demons...

47 posted on 07/09/2012 7:48:26 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: imemyself
Charles Manson “likes” this.

*ahem* Actually, I've heard rumors that ol' Charlie did spend some time in the church...

48 posted on 07/09/2012 7:50:53 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: svcw

I am proud to say my husband and I are on the scientology enemies list.
- - - - -
I KNEW I loved you, SV!


49 posted on 07/09/2012 7:51:01 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: GOPJ
Nuts was 20 years ago... seems they've gotten worse...

Yep. And they never let go, they recently managed to track me down to tell me how truly wonderful everything is now and to invite me back.

I told 'em no thanks...

50 posted on 07/09/2012 7:54:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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