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Obama To Sign Anti-Second Amendment U.N. Gun Grab
IBD Editorials ^ | July 9, 2012

Posted on 07/09/2012 5:59:29 PM PDT by raptor22

Second Amendment: The United Nations is putting the finishing touches on an Arms Trade Treaty that transcends borders and may even trample our Constitutional right to bear arms. Every indication is that the president will sign it.

Like the New Start and Law of the Sea treaties before it, as well as the Kyoto Protocol and Agenda 21, the Arms Trade Treaty being finalized at the U.N. this month is one of those feel-good, can't-we-all-get-along pieces of parchment whose net effect is to accomplish little except to eat away at American sovereignty and freedom.

Just as the world's worst human rights violators sat on and often chaired the U.N. Human Rights Council, Iran, arms supplier extraordinaire to America's enemies, was elected on Saturday to a top position on the United Nations Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty being held in New York. It began July 2 and extends through July 27.

This came right after the same U.N. found Iran guilty of illegally transferring guns and bombs to the murderous Syrian regime of Bashar Assad, currently slaughtering thousands of its own citizens as an impotent U.N. joins the U.S. administration in standing around and watching.

The mindset of the one-worlders preaches that guns cause crime and war and if we only get rid of those otherwise inanimate objects the evil that lurks in the hearts and minds of men will suddenly dissipate. Then we can buy the world a soft drink and sing "Kumbaya."

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From our cold, dead hands...
1 posted on 07/09/2012 5:59:37 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

He can have fun trying. I guess he forgot about the 2010 Tea Party wipe out experienced in the House.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 6:02:55 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: raptor22

This treaty is legally irrelevant. The Senate will prevent ratification forever (or until our country is dead and it doesn’t matter). The treaty is also politically crucial. This is clear proof that Fast and Furious represents the official position of the thugs in our White House. They want to take away the rights of real Americans, those of us who “cling to God and to guns”, by any means necessary. Obama disgusts me. We have to get every eligible conservative registered to vote in time and then at the polls on election day in November.


3 posted on 07/09/2012 6:05:35 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: raptor22

he can’t sign it unless the senate ratifies it with a 2/3rd majority vote. Good luck with that.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 6:08:57 PM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: RC one

The Supreme Court, however, is fine with it.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 6:11:05 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Pollster1
This treaty is legally irrelevant.

Not to mention, it is not unheard of for countries to ignore treaties when doing so is to their benefit ...

6 posted on 07/09/2012 6:11:52 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: raptor22

This can only end badly for freedom loving Americans, it appears that we are on a historic path to change the very makeup of the world.

May all who support the New World Order perish in the flames of violent resistence.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to obtain or preserve their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.” me


7 posted on 07/09/2012 6:12:10 PM PDT by stockpirate (Slaves to the collective! SCOTUS is just as corrupt as congress. IMPEACH ROBERTS!)
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Gun control ping


8 posted on 07/09/2012 6:13:08 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22

He’ll be signing his own resignation.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 6:13:12 PM PDT by reagandemocrat (The fool, in his heart, says there is no God.)
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To: raptor22

The UN would be well advised to move their HQ to some other country before they attempt to enforce this here.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 6:13:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Pollster1
We have to get every eligible conservative registered to vote in time and then at the polls on election day in November.

Ay, there's the rub.

Just look around here on FR. There is quite the schism on the Right and a great many who say steadfastly that they will never vote for Romney.
Thereby handing Obama his second term.

They believe a viable 3rd party candidate will appear like magic, solidify the Right and beat Obama. As much as I'd like that to happen, I'm a realist.

11 posted on 07/09/2012 6:14:18 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: raptor22

The senate can’t approve a treaty under budget reconciliation . . . Right?


12 posted on 07/09/2012 6:17:00 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: raptor22

Can obama suck any worst than he already does? In a word, yes.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 6:17:47 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: IronJack
Not to mention, it is not unheard of for countries to ignore treaties when doing so is to their benefit ...

Well, I've always said that treaties were made to be broken.
14 posted on 07/09/2012 6:18:16 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: raptor22

I was just thinking that if the UN had this treaty already, Holder and Obama would be under the UN jail for givng guns to Mexican drug Cartels.

He should be careful what he signs.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 6:19:21 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Pollster1
This treaty is legally irrelevant. The Senate will prevent ratification forever (or until our country is dead and it doesn’t matter).

Not so!

Once the administration signs the treaty, regardless what Congress does or does not do, executive & agency actions will be determined by terms of that treaty.

Note: "determined" versus "mandated" or even "necessitated"...The powers that be will simply act as though the signature will eventually be approved in congress.

By the time congress & the states actually say NO, it's too late.

16 posted on 07/09/2012 6:20:11 PM PDT by norton
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To: raptor22

BY WHAT STINKING RIGHT DOES ONE MAN GET TO COMMIT US TO ANY TREATY?

WHY DON’T SUBSEQUENT PRESIDENTS TELL THE UN TO GO TO HELL?

HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLY BE LEGALLY BINDING FOR ONE MAN TO SELL OUT THE USA FOR EONS TO COME? SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

I THOUGHT ALL TREATIES HAD TO BE SENATE RATIFIED OR THEY WERE NULL. WHY IS THIS REQUIREMENT BEING IGNORED? WHO DO WE HAVE TO SUE TO NEGATE ALL TREATIES THAT ARE NOT SENATE RATIFIED AND HOW DO WE PLACE A PROHIBITION ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SUCH SENATE NON-RATIFIED TREATIES?

Shouting required because I live in a Dictatorship and I scream at Dictators.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 6:21:59 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: raptor22

Seems Howdy Doody has forgotten an important part of his oath.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I believe it also says alittle something about ALL enemies foreign and domestic. Seems to me the enemy is in the WH.

NOVEMBER 2012 we defeat the enemy within!!!


18 posted on 07/09/2012 6:22:39 PM PDT by mardi59 (THE REBELLION IS ON!!!)
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To: RC one
He can sign the Treaty, but then must submit it to the Senate to ratify.

The fun starts when he tries to enforce it without ratification.

19 posted on 07/09/2012 6:23:00 PM PDT by AU72
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To: norton

Obama is an illegitimate dictator and any treaty he signs is a dead letter.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 6:24:23 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

We need them at the polls, whether or not they plan to vote for Romney (and I fully understand the lack of enthusiasm!). They have to vote for US Senate, for the US House, and if we have the landslide that dissatisfaction suggests, we’ll have the numbers to force either Romney or Obama to govern more responsibly. With luck, those in swing states will vote with the country’s interests at heart.


21 posted on 07/09/2012 6:24:47 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: raptor22

Right, as if Agenda 21 is not the law of the land in the USA.

If they can implement Agenda 21, if they can implement the “Migratory Bird Treaty”, then they can implement this despite your cold, dead hands.

Don’t kid yourself. If this is passed it will be implemented and enforced and your local governments will be the enforcers, just like Agenda 21.

Agenda 21 is an international plan to control the people of all nations. In the USA, Agenda 21 is a rural land grab to make rural land off limits, and force Americans into cities.

This first video by Michael Shaw explains United Nations Agenda 21 in detail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrrvNPeIYLA&feature=plcp

This second video by Rosa Koire explains how your local government is currently installing Agenda 21:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHWsdimVO4

This video shows how hard it is to fight entrenched local politicians who are pushing for Agenda 21 and don’t know it or don’t care:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su7i4cH7eYo&feature=relmfu


22 posted on 07/09/2012 6:25:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: raptor22
From our cold, dead hands...

That's exactly how I feel about the Obamacare penalty. I will pay it, never!

23 posted on 07/09/2012 6:29:50 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thank you.


24 posted on 07/09/2012 6:30:14 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Pollster1

The Senate didnt’t ratify the “Migratory Bird Treaty” provisions that Clinton wanted, he just passed an Executive Order.

The Senate didn’t ratify Agenda 21, and it is being implemented.

All Obama has to do is decree an Executive Order on Dec. 31, 2012 that this UN anti-gun treaty is the law of the land in the USA, and PRESTO! it is.

No Senate ratification required.

Obama has usurped the legislative branch by executive fiat. We are living in a dictatorship.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 6:30:31 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: raptor22
Ask yourself, "Who will send us a gun after we surrender ours?"

26 posted on 07/09/2012 6:31:48 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: yorkie

You are very welcome. Please spread this information far and wide. This is a war we have to win.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 6:31:57 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: norton

“Once the administration signs the treaty, regardless what Congress does or does not do, executive & agency actions will be determined by terms of that treaty.”

Whatever we like to say about the Congress, it is not helpless and will react with collective anger at any usurpation of its Constitutional prerogatives. And, does that treaty rewrite the entire Code of Federal Regulations? Does it change United States Code? Seems only the legislative branch can do that.

Where are the teeth in the Kyoto Treaty? Was it not signed by the POTUS? He can sign anything he wants but Congress has to ratify. And it can always refuse to provide funds.

This U.N. small arms treaty is as mean spirited against American citizens as anything ever to emerge from that sorry organization made up of snarling little bureaucrats from snarling little Third World tinpot dictatorships. They hate us for our freedoms and our empowerment by those freedoms and they’d like to think they can do something against us. This won’t fly; all that’s needed is for a few courageous governors to tell the WH to go bleep itself.

And there now really is or will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 6:32:01 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: raptor22

The American Revolution began when the British King attempted to disarm the Colonists.


29 posted on 07/09/2012 6:32:24 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: raptor22

Problem is, that suits them just fine.

If the Second Amendment is gone, this nation is done.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 6:33:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: reagandemocrat

change that to death certificate


31 posted on 07/09/2012 6:44:13 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: raptor22

modernmilitamovement.com

Come and Take It.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 6:44:58 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

Or modernmilitiamovement.com

Even better.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 6:46:52 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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34 posted on 07/09/2012 6:47:18 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thanks for the links. I need them for my ignorant friends.


35 posted on 07/09/2012 6:52:43 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: norton

If they could do that, the Kyoto Protocol would be law.

LLS


36 posted on 07/09/2012 6:52:43 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DoughtyOne
If the Second Amendment is gone, this nation is done.

There's still the eency weency problem of 90 million US gun owners holding an estimated 270 million guns. Who's got the balls to come and take them?

Even if they find people bold enough to try and take Americans' firearms, they won't collect but a handful before all out revolution erupts.

I hope they know that it would be a suicide mission. It really would be.

37 posted on 07/09/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: raptor22
After he is out of office next January and begins his world tour, it would be very foolish of him to return to US soil, which is foreign to him anyway.
38 posted on 07/09/2012 6:58:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Tzimisce

It is amazing how many Leftist gun control zealots won’t admit that, won’t face the fact that Lexington and Concord were, indeed, all about gun control.


39 posted on 07/09/2012 7:07:53 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

In the USA, Agenda 21 is a rural land grab to make rural land off limits, and force Americans into cities.
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And Bloomberg has our future homes picked out, to be trial tested in NYC.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LIVING_SMALL_NYC?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-09-19-15-23

“Similar programs have been proposed in other cities. In San Francisco, developers are seeking permission to rent out apartments as small as 150 square feet.”


40 posted on 07/09/2012 7:08:21 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: raptor22
The United Nations is putting the finishing touches on an Arms Trade Treaty that transcends borders and may even trample our Constitutional right to bear arms.

It can try, but that right is kinda hard to trample if the people aren't willing to let it be.The armed people that is.

From our cold, dead hands...

I'd prefer it were their hands, and the rest of them, that are cold and dead when the smoke clears. That's what the second amendment was designed to help ensure.

41 posted on 07/09/2012 7:10:31 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: raptor22
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42 posted on 07/09/2012 7:11:21 PM PDT by GnL
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To: RC one
he can’t sign it unless the senate ratifies it with a 2/3rd majority vote. Good luck with that.

Not quite. With treaties the President acts first, then the Senate. He could sign it as soon as the final form is available. Probably will. Presidents have been known to enforce treaties while they are still un-ratified, as long as the Senate hasn't actually voted them down.

43 posted on 07/09/2012 7:15:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: mardi59
I believe it also says alittle something about ALL enemies foreign and domestic

Actually the President's oath doesn't say that.

But mine did.

The Constitutionally mandated Presidential oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

My oath:

I, El Gato, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

44 posted on 07/09/2012 7:23:57 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Tzimisce

The American Revolution began when the British King attempted to disarm the Colonists.

We’re not the men our forefathers were.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 7:25:24 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: RC one

“he can’t sign it unless the senate ratifies it with a 2/3rd majority vote. Good luck with that.”

Legally, 51 Senators present form a quorum and only 2/3 of those need to approve. That’s 34 Senators. He’s got that many. All he has to do is figure out how to ensure not enough that oppose it are present.


46 posted on 07/09/2012 7:30:41 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: GnL
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47 posted on 07/09/2012 7:35:16 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: raptor22
People seem to think that the gun grab will be people coming to take away the guns... and that is not how liberals work. Liberals know that would never work... liberals know strategy, they know how to boil a frog.

Obongo's 2nd term will have gun control pushes. People who have unhealthy lifestyles will pay heavier taxes. Guns and ammo will be a health care issue and taxed like cigarettes. The UN arms treaty will be broadened to have internal domestic regulations by the administration. Registration, regulation, taxation, judicial rulings, they will do it one stoke of the pen at a time, one bang of the gavel at a time.

Americans will tolerate any act of tyranny as long as they can be eased into it.

48 posted on 07/09/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by GregoTX (Federalist)
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To: raptor22

Wave of the future? I fear our public schools are in the process of raising up a generation who respect the UN more than they do the US Constitution, particularly the Second Amendment.


49 posted on 07/09/2012 7:42:47 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Just look around here on FR. There is quite the schism on the Right and a great many who say steadfastly that they will never vote for Romney.

That would be me. I'm not voting for Romney; no way, no how.

Thereby handing Obama his second term.

No, it is not me handing it to Obama; it is the GOP not pushing a candidate worthy of my vote: I will not again vote for a slimeball like McCain. (And Romney is a slimeball.)

Besides, for all intents and purposes Romney is Obama.

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They believe a viable 3rd party candidate will appear like magic, solidify the Right and beat Obama. As much as I'd like that to happen, I'm a realist.

Who said anything about a 3rd party candidate appearing at all? I certainly don't think that. I am just unwilling to "hold my nose and vote" again; I will instead vote with my conscience and if that "makes my vote useless" then so be it: though that is an indictment on the American system itself, if voting for one's conscience is useless.

50 posted on 07/09/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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