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Wendy Fisher's teenage daughter saw her mother gunned down
al.com ^ | Monday, July 09, 2012, 12:00 PM | Brendan Kirby, Press-Register

Posted on 07/09/2012 7:04:16 PM PDT by suthener

MOBILE, Alabama -- The fatal gun shot that cut down a single mother of two Saturday night occurred in front of her teenage daughter, family members said today.

The daughter, who asked that her name not be used, said she was standing in her front yard when her mother, Wendy Fisher, ran across the street to retrieve their dog.

Fisher yelled at a passing car to slow down because it nearly hit the pet, the daughter said. At that point a black man with short hair got out of the car, she said.

The daughter said she is not sure if he or one of the two or three other men inside the vehicle fired 3 shots. The man who exited the car was wearing blue jeans and a light T-shirt, she said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; blackcrime; blackonwhitecrime; blackviolence; chimpout; gangviolence; hatecrime; holder; holderspeople; murder; nwa; obama; race; sans
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I didn't see this posted. I tried to post it last night and it didn't work for some reason. There is a race war occurring in Mobile, Al. that unfortunately only one side is aware of. In the past year we have had a recent college graduate killed by a pack of animals when he made the bad choice of answering his door when someone knocked on it. They shot him in the head. An older woman, described as a philanthropist, was beaten to death in her own house by another animal. I believe everyone has heard of the man who was beaten half to death recently by his neighbors after he had the audacity to tell their kids to quit stealing from people in the neighborhood. It is absolutely crazy here.
1 posted on 07/09/2012 7:04:26 PM PDT by suthener
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To: suthener

Wonder when the non-Holder’s people will wake up and man up?


2 posted on 07/09/2012 7:07:16 PM PDT by OldPossum ( "it's" is the contraction of either "it is" or "it has"; "its" is the possessive pronoun)
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To: suthener

Loks like we will have to pressure our local and state politicians to take this Black racist violence for real...there needs to be civil rights protection for whites, Asians, and others when vicitmized by Black Racist Hate Crime (look, if white people did this to blacks, it would beharged as a hate crime)

And, need to start standing up to the White Guilt Liberals in BOTH parties who refuse to address, even condone, this Black Racist violence.

I see in my own county the lynching they are trying to do to George Zimmerman for defending himself against a Black thug who was beating him...and how our GOP governor and AG supported the Black Racist witch hunt. We have to start voting these people out


3 posted on 07/09/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“Looks like we will have to pressure our local and state politicians to take this Black racist violence for real”

That’s not a solution because the majority of our local voters look like the ones who committed the murder as do not coincidentally most of the elected officials.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by suthener
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To: SeminoleCounty

The Zimmerman case is more complicated than that.

He never should have played cop.

He certainly never should have got out of his SUV.

Think about it.

You are walking down the street. A black SUB with dark tinted windows is stalking you. Suddenly a guy gets out of the SUV. What would you think? You would think bad things are about to happen. And they did.

I think it was a case of two dumb asses meeting in the dark.

Both made serious mistakes. Martin thought Zimmerman was a thug, Zimmerman thought Martin was a thug. None of which would have been if Zimmerman had not been playing cop.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 7:25:14 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: suthener

There was at least one other thread on this subject last night that seems to have been removed.


6 posted on 07/09/2012 7:28:39 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Interesting. I was sure I posted it last night right before turning in, then checked this morning and could not find any evidence that I had posted it. I wonder why it would be removed?


7 posted on 07/09/2012 7:32:06 PM PDT by suthener
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To: suthener

We are in the era of the “New World Order” this is the reality of our country, don’t fool yourself, this is only going to get worse. Its going to be “kill or be killed” soon.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 7:33:34 PM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: old curmudgeon

Sounds about right to me, but it won’t satisfy the partisans of either team, I’m afraid.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 7:35:24 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: suthener

Unfortunately, it seems like 2nd Amendment preparation is increasingly mandatory in order to exercise the 1st. Damn shame.

A comment on the radio today asserted Obama’s policies and economy have set Black Americans back an economic generation. The racist zeal that’s also discharged by the Marxists, and the cooperative minions in the media, isn’t helping Blacks much either.

BTW, this stench of hatred, racism, and distrust is the work of the Left.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 7:38:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: suthener; wardaddy; CodeToad
The CW2 Cube — Mapping The Meta-Terrain Of Civil War Two

Move if you can. Prepare for hell if you can't.

Don't live on fault lines, or among unstable mixed populationss.

11 posted on 07/09/2012 7:40:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: old curmudgeon

How do you know what martin thought? Zimmerman was doing his job as a neighborhood watch volunteer. Martin would still be alive if he had not violently attacked Zimmerman.


12 posted on 07/09/2012 7:42:09 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Eagles6

Neighborhood watch does not require personal confrontation.

I repeat: Zimmerman should never have got out of his SUV. Martin could not have laid a hand on him had he not got out.

I repeat: Two dumb asses met in the dark.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 7:48:13 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: suthener

White Girl Bleed a Lot


14 posted on 07/09/2012 7:51:19 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: old curmudgeon

The Zimmerman case is more complicated than that.

He never should have played cop.

He certainly never should have got out of his SUV.

Think about it.

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Well you obviously haven’t thought about it very much. Just how many people do you go and beat up because they were watching you. There is a sign at the entrance to the community that says that you will be watched and may be asked what your business is in this complex.

Martin was in a fight club. He was a burgular with stolen merchandise that he was caught with. He beat people up for fun. He was high on Marijuana and who knows what else.

Zimmerman was doing his responsible civic duty after all the burglaries they have had in his community.

Zimmerman did NOTHING WRONG and Travon Martin was a thug wannabe. Martin got what he asked for. I wish more people were as responsible as Zimmerman watching out for burglars, perhaps there would be less of this awful crime.

One thing for sure, Martin won’t be beating up anybody else or burglarizing anybody else’s home.

Good riddance to filthy rubbish.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 7:53:08 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: suthener

is there any website that is keeping an accurate count of the Black on White murders nationwide?


16 posted on 07/09/2012 7:53:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: old curmudgeon

Overdose of logic. What you say is true, but you’ll still get flamed for it. Outside the accepted script. Anyways, I know for a fact if I am minding my business and I notice a car following me, at night, and then the chap gets out to come and ask me questions that guy would be walking up to a gun pointed at him. I wouldn’t take the chance to find out if he wants to ask what time it is, ask for directions, ask what I am doing there, or mug me. I’d tell him to back off, and if he didn’t ...well, he should.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 7:59:03 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: OldPossum

We have, you don’t see much of this in Texas do you?

When nobama is shown the WhiteyHut door, there’ll be lots of opportunites, so much no one will be keeping track.


18 posted on 07/09/2012 8:02:26 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: old curmudgeon
The Zimmerman case is more complicated than that.

You couldn't be more wrong. Martin was high as a kite. Zimmerman did nothing wrong or against the law - before or after shooting Martin.

19 posted on 07/09/2012 8:06:01 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: JAKraig

The fact that Martin was a bad guy is not the question.

The question is whether Zimmerman by his behavior caused Martin to think that he was about to be mugged or worse.

A SUV stalking him, guy gets out moving aggressively towards him.....Martin is a street guy who sees all the signs of a beat down so he goes on the offensive.

Zimmerman is not a hero. He is a guy who did a very dumb thing.

Had he stayed in the vehicle and waited for the cops none of this would have happened.

Most states make it clear that to claim self defense you must not have instigated the violence.

So the question in court will be whether Zimmerman by his behavior caused Martin to feel threatened.


20 posted on 07/09/2012 8:07:50 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: suthener
It is absolutely crazy here.

And yet it only gets reported nationally if it's white on black crime.

21 posted on 07/09/2012 8:08:36 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Got that covered nicely. Many people in their desire to be PC, or in pretending to take the “high road”, won’t acknowledge that cube until their deaths.


22 posted on 07/09/2012 8:10:51 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: old curmudgeon
so now its gotten to that whites not only can't "watch" their own neighborhoods, they can't even tell speeders to slow down...

stand and be a victim...

23 posted on 07/09/2012 8:12:45 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: old curmudgeon
...guy gets out moving aggressively towards him...

You are making this up.

You have absolutely no way of knowing whether this happened.

Two people were there, one is dead, and the other described it differently.

24 posted on 07/09/2012 8:16:32 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: spetznaz

“I’d tell him to back off, and if he didn’t ...well, he should.”

If you’re stupid enough to point a gun at someone in such a case you’d be in jail. Pointing guns at strangers isn’t macho. If you’d do that to me I’d smoke you so fast you wouldn’t see it coming. Think about that.


25 posted on 07/09/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: cherry

Certainly you can tell them to slow down.

YELL AT THEM.

And get the consequences.

Under NC law, and it is similar in most states, precipitating a confrontation removes the right to claim self defense.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 8:18:08 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: rogue yam

Zimmerman was out of the SUV.

Why did he get out?

What do you think he did when he got out?

Walk the other way?

Frankly I think the hanging judge is being too hard on Zimmerman. I believe he merits a lower bail and was abused by keeping him in jail for so long without bond.

But that said, he still did a stupid thing.


27 posted on 07/09/2012 8:23:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Travis McGee

How many times have we preached [posted ] that on this forum. To wit: If you live in a mixed or unstable neighborhood— Move. If you only get to take the clothes on your back and your life, that is more than you will have if you choose to stay. Because when it goes, it is going quick and it is going violent.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 8:23:55 PM PDT by sport
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To: old curmudgeon

Assumes facts not in evidence. Assumes “whitey” (or more accurately Hispanics) must cower in fear and restrict their own movements when a thug is about.

In short, your post would fit well on DU.

I’d expect better than that from you (recognize your nic).


29 posted on 07/09/2012 8:24:19 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: sport

That’s a fact!


30 posted on 07/09/2012 8:33:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: piytar

You have the evidence?

Good.

Why did Zimmerman get out of his SUV?

Did he take one step towards Martin? Or more than one?

Since you have the facts, tell us what Martin thought when he saw this SUV stalking him. Did he have any fear?

What did he think when the guy got out of the SUV?

By the way, Wendy, the subject of this thread is a good example of what can happen when a vehicle stops and a guy jumps out of it. Martin because he was a street person, knew that.

No, I don’t know exactly what happened but I am pointing out that it is a lot more complicated than most people think and if the truth is ever to be known, all of these avenues will have to be explored. To simply say that Martin was a thug, which I don’t doubt, and that Zimmerman is a hero, which I do doubt, is being overly simplistic.

Remember that regardless of who is the hero and who is the villain, the law must be followed. You can shoot someone, no matter how wicked he is, only under certain clearly defined circumstances.


31 posted on 07/09/2012 8:36:52 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: suthener

Mobile,Alabama police are on the lookout for a dark gray or green Honda Civic or Altima with dark, tinted windows, involved in the deadly shooting of 40 year old Wendy Fisher.

There were 3 or 4 young black males in the car that stopped when confronted by Fisher in broad daylight last Saturday, for speeding by her house on Racine Street and almost hitting her dog. Fisher likely never saw the face of her killer, who cracked open a door and shot her in the chest approximately five times.

Ms. Fisher remained conscious but in shock as a witness waited with her for an ambulance to arrive. She was transported to USA Medical Center where she died from her injuries. Witnesses say Ms. Fisher reacted to the car almost hitting her dog, and the car stopped and there may have been an argument and then she was shot. Since the killing was likely not planned, the other individuals in the car would probably not face any charges if they came forward to police before police locate them. However, if they do not report to the police they could be charged as accomplices to first-degree murder, which carries a penalty of life in prison or the death penalty.

It is very possible the other passengers -and the driver- if he is not the shooter - were as surprised and anyone when the shooter opened fire. It is doubtful the suspects will elude police who will be able to run queries on all sedans in the area, then narrow down the search and car ownership records based on more detailed information provided by witnesses.

It is a process of elimination that could take several weeks but arrests are probable in the near future. Ms. Fishers’s murder was the second one along Racine Street in about a week. Another person was killed by a driver as he walked along the side of the street. The neighborhood is known to have a problem with speeders who use it as a short-cut to other locations. Ms. Fisher was a mother of two children, whom she contantly bragged about at her workplace,

The Haberdasher in downtown Mobile.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 8:39:43 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: old curmudgeon

Methinks you should watch a little less MSNBC. You know zip zero about the Zimmerman case


33 posted on 07/09/2012 8:40:22 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: old curmudgeon

You successfully point out that the facts (including some you assumed up-thread) are unknow.

As to use of deadly force being legal in only certain cases? The only phyisical evidence matches Zimmerman’s story that he was getting his head bashed in. Unless facts - not supposition- show he started the physical confrontation, that’s one of those cases. Even if he was verbally threatening or abusive. To wit: you are not allowed to bash someone’s head in for being mean.


34 posted on 07/09/2012 8:42:31 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: suthener

The shooting happened in the light of day, around 6:30 pm on Saturday.

Fisher was shot in her chest.  She later died at the hospital.

Police have told WKRG they are looking for three or four black men who were riding in a dark green or grey sedan.

“Somebody who is closely related to the person that shot her knows what happen,” said Cpl. Chris Levy, spokesperson for the Mobile Police Department.  “Hopefully they’ll come forward and tell us what happened.”

A candlelight vigil will be held tomorrow night at 7:30 in Cathedral Square (Dauphin/Clairborne). Organizers are asking everyone to bring their own candle.

Fisher’s funeral will be Friday at 11:00 a.m. at Connect Church in Daphne.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/jul/09/mother-shot-killed-yelling-speeder-ar-4097913/


35 posted on 07/09/2012 8:42:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeminoleCounty

Cute one liners do not add anything to the pool of knowledge.

Do us the courtesy of informing us of what you know.


36 posted on 07/09/2012 8:45:36 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

How about some links to the NC or FL statutes or criminal code articles dealing with “precipitating a confrontation” in these cases? I mean, you *have* actually looked this stuff up, so the info should be close at hand... right?


37 posted on 07/09/2012 8:54:21 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: old curmudgeon
Zimmerman should never have got out of his SUV.

Yeah, blame the victim. Gee, maybe Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of bed that morning.

38 posted on 07/09/2012 8:57:36 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: piytar

Even if he was verbally threatening or abusive. To wit: you are not allowed to bash someone’s head in for being mean.


That is correct.

But if you have reason to fear for your life you can strike the first blow.

My point again is that here was a black kid, a street kid, being stalked by a vehicle. Dark night, all alone on the street.

You don’t think he was scared?

He was a street kid expecting a beat down.

Martin was a thug.
Zimmerman was stupid.


39 posted on 07/09/2012 8:58:37 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon
I repeat: Zimmerman should never have got out of his SUV.

What utter crap. Please stop repeating yourself. Zimmerman was doing his job—defending civilization. It's in fact every man's job. Martin was a criminal, acting like a criminal, as Zimmerman's contemporaneous comments to the 9-11 operator indicate. Zimmerman told the operator he was trying to see where Martin was going, and I don't see any reason to disbelieve him.

Trying to talk yourself (and everyone else) into the idea that everything will be all right if only we don't rile the jackals is inaccurate as well as cowardly. Property crime and violence are both crimes of opportunity: Give thugs an inch, and they just take another mile of territory.

Confronting evil in a dangerous neighborhood is an honorable and appropriate thing to do. Sometimes you have to fight, and sometimes the thug will die. (And sometimes the good guy will.) You have to face the fact that our times really are difficult. Zimmerman was acting on your behalf. We can't afford to take your attitude if we want to get the chaos under control and reclaim our country, where the innocent have rights, rather than the feral half-men who prey on the poor—white, black, and "white Hispanic."

40 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:27 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: old curmudgeon
Both made serious mistakes. Martin thought Zimmerman was a thug, Zimmerman thought Martin was a thug. None of which would have been if Zimmerman had not been playing cop.

Save it. Martin was high on purple drank, the neighborhood watch had been successful for a long time, Zimmerman had every right to look at someone, Zimmerman broke off when it was suggested - not ordered- by the dispatcher, and then there are phone records indicating both Zimmerman and Martin separated at that point, but that Zimmerman was afraid to tell the dispatcher his address, because he couldn't find Simmerman and thought he might be being stalked.

Then, on his own, Martin circled back around, declared his intent to kill Zimmerman, and attacked him in a way that could easily have killed him.

Martin was a punk who got exactly what he deserved for attacking Zimmerman, unprovoked, with intent to kill, while high on drugs.

And you can take your violent, racist idea that people need to avert their eyes from black people or they deserve to be attacked, and shove it.

I hope that was clear.

41 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:07 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: suthener

It’s going to spread, time to be prepared for anything and everything.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 9:00:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Talisker

Should be : “because he couldn’t find MARTIN and thought he might be being stalked.”


43 posted on 07/09/2012 9:03:36 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Charles Martel

§ 14-51.4. Justification for defensive force not available.
The justification described in G.S. 14-51.2 and G.S. 14-51.3 is not available to a person
who used defensive force and who:
(1)
Was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of
a felony.
(2)
Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself. However, the
person who initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself will
be justified in using defensive force if either of the following occur:
a.
The force used by the person who was provoked is so serious that the
person using defensive force reasonably believes that he or she was
in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, the person using
defensive force had no reasonable means to retreat, and the use of
force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to the
person who was provoked was the only way to escape the danger.
b.
The person who used defensive force withdraws, in good faith, from
physical contact with the person who was provoked, and indicates
clearly that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of
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H650 [Ratified]

NC h650.

By the way, if you don’t think FL law takes the same view, explain why Zimmerman is under arrest.


44 posted on 07/09/2012 9:09:25 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I’ve been following this incident pretty closely. Z wanted to be able to give a location to the police. He called the 911 dispatcher, who asked if Z were following Trayvon and then told him that “we don’t need you to do that.” At which point Z answered saying “OK.” The altercation took place on the sidewalk where Z’s head was repeatedly slammed into the concrete, suggesting that Z was no longer on the lawn but was on his way back to his truck. Looks like Trayvon approached Z from the rear.


45 posted on 07/09/2012 9:15:14 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: SamuraiScot

Confronting evil in a dangerous neighborhood is an honorable and appropriate thing to do. Sometimes you have to fight, and sometimes the thug will die. (And sometimes the good guy will.) You have to face the fact that our times really are difficult. Zimmerman was acting on your behalf. We can’t afford to take your attitude if we want to get the chaos under control and reclaim our country, where the innocent have rights, rather than the feral half-men who prey on the poor—white, black, and “white Hispanic.”


OH HO.

Or maybe more appropriately, OH NO.

Not another Captain Courageous who will put on his magic cape at a moment’s notice and save us.

I CC and I will take no crap but at the same time those who carry and who do not understand that there is a right way and a thousand wrong ways are destined to spend a lot of time in the same predicament as Zimmerman is in.

Plus you make the rest of us look like crazy gun slingers.

Even retired cops will tell you that they will be a good witness and call the cops.


46 posted on 07/09/2012 9:20:34 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

“explain why Zimmerman is under arrest.”

Explain why the initial Prosecutor let Zimmerman go.

Then explain what the political reasoning would be for a GOP Governor to appoint another Prosecutor in an election year.


47 posted on 07/09/2012 9:21:21 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: suthener

I saw your post — I’m guessing an admin was being PC.


48 posted on 07/09/2012 9:24:17 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ArmyTeach

Yes, but he was out of his vehicle.

Not smart.

Confronting the guy was not smart.

By the way, I have done all of these things including confronting people on their own front porch.

And not very politely, to say the least.

Very bad technique.

But with age comes more wisdom.

I was lucky.

Learn from the foolishness of others.


49 posted on 07/09/2012 9:28:49 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: rbmillerjr

That is exactly why if you CC you have to be very careful.

Until you go through a trial and spend $25,000 to $250,000, the law is whatever the prosecuting attorney in that county says it is.

There are literally hundreds of Nyfongs.


50 posted on 07/09/2012 9:33:53 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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